Why America is Selling Taxpayer Subsidized F-16s to its Enemy

[PaklovesTurkiye]

war on terror is the main mission of Pakistan atm. Isn't it? Isn't Pakistan buying equipments or aircrafts for successful achievements on this war? Then why India is losing its mind over it? Or they know war on terror is basically war against India. After all they're supporter of them.

Exactly..........thats why they are worrying. They know their supported terrorists are going to feel the heat of these jets.

Go PAF.

 

[Tshering22]

by Harbir Singh sardar jee hosh karo

if the A-29 is suitable for operations against the Taliban by the Afghan government, why is it not suitable for the same role in Pakistan?

Source: Why America is Selling Taxpayer Subsidized F-16s to its Enemy

this chutiya don't even know we are producing jf-17 which is 1oos time more powerful then A-29 junk

he siad give this A-29 to pakistan for fight terror

A-29 is best suited for COIN operations as proved by Brazilian military in its operations against terrorists and narcotic traffickers on its borders.

It is by no means a 'junk'.

Re-read the article again; it says that heavy fighters are more expensive to operate in counter terrorist CAS roles.

The F-16s and JF-17s will blaze past the target in seconds while the A-29 is like a fast gunship.

 

[Genghis khan1]

war on terror is the main mission of Pakistan atm. Isn't it? Isn't Pakistan buying equipments or aircrafts for successful achievements on this war? Then why India is losing its mind over it? Or they know war on terror is basically war against India. After all they're supporter of them.

Previously sold, AMRAAM ,Sidewinder and now more JHMCS aren't meant for TTP either. Indian's are not stupid.

A-29 is best suited for COIN operations as proved by Brazilian military in its operations against terrorists and narcotic traffickers on its borders.

It is by no means a 'junk'.

Re-read the article again; it says that heavy fighters are more expensive to operate in counter terrorist CAS roles.

The F-16s and JF-17s will blaze past the target in seconds while the A-29 is like a fast gunship.

I suggest Indians to lobby US to sell Pakistan A-10's or AC-130 gunship, if you guys really care so much. Even more suited for ground targets.

 

[PurpleButcher]

Simply "PHABBAY KUTNI" behavior by INDIA

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Pakistan isn't our enemy but neither is it our friend.

But Indians are absurd by the look of it. Their bribes , rants , cursing has failed so far
Their only Hope is a " timely" terror attack without any loss to them but implicating Pakistan will stop this deal
But they must do that fast. Their minister has already blamed Pakistan over their university students protest
All they have to do is now pull off a mobile phone recording and confession statement.

by Harbir Singh sardar jee hosh karo

if the A-29 is suitable for operations against the Taliban by the Afghan government, why is it not suitable for the same role in Pakistan?

Source: Why America is Selling Taxpayer Subsidized F-16s to its Enemy

this chutiya don't even know we are producing jf-17 which is 1oos time more powerful then A-29 junk

he siad give this A-29 to pakistan for fight terror

Why not if they are given free as well and better still if he pays for it
We can use them for training

 

[LeGenD]

Sounds like a mixture of hype, nonsense and some substance.

There is no workable solution for Afghanistan as long as the US and Pakistan are at odds with each other on this matter. It wouldn't be surprising if both countries are working to achieve a middle-ground in this regard.

Situation in Afghanistan not just affects the US but Pakistan and even China. And Pakistan would not wish to antagonize China in this matter. It is in the interest of all nations that Afghanistan does not becomes a breeding ground of terrorists, like ever.

Moreover, American patience is not everlasting and Pakistan would not want to test it too much. If American patience runs out, no power in the world can prevent doomsday of Afghanistan, should it re-emerge as as breeding ground of terrorists. This time, nuclear weapons will be on the cards.

 

[ito]

But Indians are absurd by the look of it. Their bribes , rants , cursing has failed so far
Their only Hope is a " timely" terror attack without any loss to them but implicating Pakistan will stop this deal
But they must do that fast. Their minister has already blamed Pakistan over their university students protest
All they have to do is now pull off a mobile phone recording and confession statement.


Why not if they are given free as well and better still if he pays for it
We can use them for training

You should be careful with your words. Indian home minister implicated Hafiz Saeed not Pakistan. Unless of course if you say implicating Hafiz Saeed is implicating Pakistan, then I have nothing to say.

 

[Kurlang]

Pakistan isn't our enemy but neither is it our friend.

United States isn't our enemy but neither our friend

 

[Bratva]

A-29 is best suited for COIN operations as proved by Brazilian military in its operations against terrorists and narcotic traffickers on its borders.

It is by no means a 'junk'.

Re-read the article again; it says that heavy fighters are more expensive to operate in counter terrorist CAS roles.

The F-16s and JF-17s will blaze past the target in seconds while the A-29 is like a fast gunship.

Can A-29 do this ?

 

[PakEye]

Pakistan isn't our enemy but neither is it our friend.

every country relations based on their own national interests
by the way
8 F-16 can't change the present air superiority between IAF and PAf ???

 

[Paksanity]

But Indians are absurd by the look of it. Their bribes , rants , cursing has failed so far
Their only Hope is a " timely" terror attack without any loss to them but implicating Pakistan will stop this deal
But they must do that fast. Their minister has already blamed Pakistan over their university students protest
All they have to do is now pull off a mobile phone recording and confession statement.


Why not if they are given free as well and better still if he pays for it
We can use them for training

You would have seen threads and countless posts against capability of our F-16s. If anything, Indian reaction should tell you how amazing the capability of this is. Just 8 F-16s and they have lost their sleep. I believe you can see through the reaction.

 

[Indrajith]

Stupids ... every body knows this sales of F16 is targeted at India ...
India doing cry --- it is just a drama .. sure US is selling it with the consent of India
Something big is coming as India US partnership or US want to persude India for something

What can 8 F16 play against 250+ SUMKI & 40+Rafel nothing

it is just a game & drama , that we will know shortly

 

[New World]

An F-16 "Fighting Falcon" of the US Air Force
by Harbir Singh

The US has been bribing Pakistan to buy its cooperation in Afghanistan. This bribery has included not just civilian aid, but also payments for Pakistan’s Army, supposedly to defray its costs in combating Islamist militias that operate in Afghanistan from Pakistani soil, and sales of cheap used and subsidized new weapons notionally for Pakistan to carry out its counter insurgency operations. These weapons have included 1,000 air-to-air missiles, 100 anti-ship missiles, anti-ship missile protection systems for 7 ships, modernization kits for 60 of its F-16s, and 115 M109 howitzers, which are highly mobile 155mm armored artillery, packing a punch exceeding that of Pakistan’s T-80 and India’s T-72 battle tanks. Now there is this discounted sale of eight F-16s, again supposedly to empower the PAF’s counter insurgency operations.

Presumably the Taliban has its own air superiority fighters, battleships, tank brigades, and infantry battalions that require Pakistan to have these weapons for effective counter insurgency?

Of course not. These weapons primarily add to Pakistan’s military capabilities against India and bolster its defences from behind which it can carry out terrorist attacks on India. Pakistan and the US however insist that these F-16s are for counter insurgency operations.

This is nonsense and the Americans know it.

For one thing, the F16 is not remotely an optimal aircraft for counter insurgency operations. While advances in avionics and weapons systems have enabled jet fighters to deliver heavy hitting munitions with great precision, the inability of fast fighters like the F16 to loiter over the battlefield, flying low and slow, denies their pilots much opportunity to observe the situation on the ground, make decisions and act on them, to identify and attack small mobile targets, and to provide offensive and defensive fire in support of friendlies in close proximity to enemy forces. Fast movers like the F-16 have little ability to actually take part in the on-ground battle beyond simply zooming overhead at high altitudes dropping precision guided munitions. The F16 is a blunt, unwieldy, inoptimal weapon to use against the Taliban, besides being extraordinarily expensive to buy, fly, and use for that role.

If Pakistan is really in need of aircraft for counter insurgency operations and the US wishes to provide it with subsidized aircraft for that mission, why is the Pakistan Air Force not being supplied with the Embraer A-29 Super Tucano instead of F-16s? The A-29 is a low cost turboprop aircraft purpose designed for counter insurgency and close air support of ground forces in extremely rugged terrain. The A-29 is just about the most suitable aircraft for counter insurgency operations that the US can provide to Pakistan. Its cheap too. Pakistan could have 75 A-29s for the price its paying for 8 F-16s.

In fact, the A-29 is being supplied by the US to the Afghan Air Force as its primary fixed wing combat aircraft.

So if the A-29 is suitable for operations against the Taliban by the Afghan government, why is it not suitable for the same role in Pakistan? Certainly, it would not stand a chance in combat against the IAF’s Sukhois, but what does that matter if the intent is operations against the Taliban?

The answer of course is that Pakistan wants aircraft it can wield against India, not against the Taliban, and the US is happy to provide them under the cover of a phony story about counter insurgency operations.

Pakistan has no intention of using these F16s against the Taliban in a fight to the finish, and the US knows this. Senator Bob Corker, chairman of the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations has seriously objected to the US subsidizing the sale of these F16s to Pakistan with US taxpayer money on the grounds that Pakistan allows terrorist groups like the Haqqani Network that act against the US efforts in Afghanistan to operate freely from Pakistani soil. No one is under any illusions that Pakistan intends to act against these groups. Every interested party is well aware that the terrorist groups that have worked to deny the US success in stabilizing and democratizing Afghanistan are Pakistan’s allies, and that Pakistan intends to use them as its proxies to exert influence and control in Afghanistan after the Americans have been forced to withdraw in defeat.

All this points to Pakistan’s mastery of its own environment, its keen instinct for the weaknesses of the United States, and its understanding of primitive forms of statecraft revolving around religion and tribe that democracies are ill equipped to deal with or displace.

The US has been effectively entangled by Pakistan by the latter’s cunning understanding of American domestic dynamics. When the US insisted on Pakistan’s cooperation in bludgeoning Afghanistan after 9/11, Pakistan well understood that:

1. The US did not have the political will or the interest to stay entrenched in Afghanistan long enough to exhaust Pakistan’s ability to interfere
2. The US did not have the taste for suffering the quantity of casualties that it would take to create and sustain a viable, stable, democratic order in Afghanistan.
3. The task of stabilizing and democratizing Afghanistan was likely futile anyway, even without Pakistani interference, because hunger for power, greed, and an absence of idealism amongst the various factions would almost certainly cause any US built democratic order to collapse into a corrupt, vengeful, venal power struggle.
4. Given these realities, Pakistan had every interest in outlasting the US presence in Afghanistan and in the meantime doing everything possible to ensure that it came out at the other end as the patron of the factions that would win and take over after the US withdrawal.
5. America could be made to pay very richly indeed for its folly. Even as the US is made to understand that it cannot have its way in Afghanistan, it is also made to understand that as before 9/11, Afghanistan remains the most likely center for anti-American Islamist terrorists to organize, train and operate from. The US will need to preserve the ability to monitor the situation and act in Afghanistan. That means buying Pakistan’s cooperation.

In effect, Pakistan has trapped the US in a situation from which it cannot turn away and in which it must keep paying bribes to the Islamic Republic to retain some leverage to prevent Afghanistan from becoming Global Jihad Central HQ again.

One may then consider that Pakistan is a gangster and it has ensnared the US in a protection racket (“Pay me and I’ll protect you from being attacked by my thugs”), and these F16s are part of the payment of protection money.

India ought to expect that the US will be paying Pakistan under this protection racket for the foreseeable future. Instead of complaining about it, India should develop an awareness of how it too is in the grip of Pakistan’s devious web, and work out the strategic, political, and administrative focus and steadfastness to do something meaningful about it.
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Yes. the article say right F-16 are not meant for the COIN or ground mission..
We need 50 A-10 and 10 AC-130 they are really meant for ground missions..

 

[Zarvan]

I think the fuss is not about 8 F-16 I think India has some information about some potential deal going to take place with Europe and for that this F-16 deal would work as a catalyst

 

[New World]

If india is crying that so much on just 8 F-16, i think they will commit suicide after they will hear that a more powerfull and much advanced jet from F-16 is coming to Pakistan with larger numbers..