Why Agencies have showed such strong attitude against the Shia Community? A mistake?

[Trango Towers]

Have you read the posts in this thread?
I have to make thing clear again and again.

It is not about targeting anyone due to religious beliefs, but is about accomplishing the tasks "wisely" by the agencies.

Whatever your belief is, whatever your race is, whatever your language is, but you will be arrested if you go against the laws of the State.

So, every Pakistani will appreciate the agencies if they arrest such rough elements.

But problem is arising here that agencies are making these people "missing", which is itself against the constitution of the State, and it is brining a lot of negativity with it, and it is equal to torturing the whole family.

Agencies could easily fulfil their task while staying in the law premises (arresting/torturing/investigating/legal sentence of prison... all could be done within the legal premises easily). For this purpose they don't have to make the people missing.

're the disappearances I agree. Sometimes better to be kind. However, we were kind to the Taliban TTP and then you know what happened.

 

[python-000]

now a days shia lobby strongly operate all over the country slowly but steady. they are trying to make Pakistan as a shia state just like Iraq, Sirya several Iranian parties operating in Pakistan like ISO and others...

 

[Jf Thunder]

What difference does it make if any one is a Shia or Sunni or Hindu or any one?

Making them "missing" is not wise.

By making them "missing", you are torturing their innocent families including their children.

that is what I said

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

Have you read the posts in this thread?
I have to make thing clear again and again.

It is not about targeting anyone due to religious beliefs, but is about accomplishing the tasks "wisely" by the agencies.

Whatever your belief is, whatever your race is, whatever your language is, but you will be arrested if you go against the laws of the State.

So, every Pakistani will appreciate the agencies if they arrest such rough elements.

But problem is arising here that agencies are making these people "missing", which is itself against the constitution of the State, and it is brining a lot of negativity with it, and it is equal to torturing the whole family.

Agencies could easily fulfil their task while staying in the law premises (arresting/torturing/investigating/legal sentence of prison... all could be done within the legal premises easily). For this purpose they don't have to make the people missing.

My comments were not targeted to you.
If they had been then I would have quoted you.

I commented generally as I have been privy to such operations.
No agency makes any innocent missing ever.

If someone is involved he maybe picked up for interrogation/investigation by any agency(ISI, FIA, CTD, IB).

Missing persons maybe considered innocent by their relatives/friends, but only because they do not share their anti state activities with them. The families should keep eyes on their wards to protect them from becoming a part of anti-state activities.

 

[Imran Khan]

its very simple
takfiris come back from afghanistan or syria
shia come back from syria

can make hell paksitan . so both are being handle with iron hands to save this damn country

 

[taubin]

Just asking!

What is the status of a person who returns from Syria to pakistan , having fought there in support of the assad regime ?

AND


What is the status of a person who returns from Syria to pakistan, who fought against assad regime?

 

[The Accountant]

Pakistani Shias have not killed a SINGLE Pakistani Army Jawan up till now (as compared to the Takfiri camp which killed thousands of Jawans).

This shows, that despite them having soft corner for Syrian Assad, they are in no way against the State of Pakistan.


https://www.bbc.com/urdu/pakistan-44288371

Today BBC published the photos of Shias where they were arrested by the agencies, and then they went "missing" after that. They were not presented in the courts. They are missing for the last 18 months and their families know not a single thing if they are living or not.

It is not a WISE way of doing things.

It is "unnecessarily" causing panic in the Pakistani Shia community.

If they have doubts, then they could arrest the person. They could also torture if they think it to be necessary. But torture could still be done even if the family is told about the whereabouts, and also the persons presented to the courts.

If they have doubts, then they could rearrest any person and interrogate again even by torturing. No problem in it, but when the people get "missing", then this brings really bad name to the agencies. No one cares about the torture during arrest, but "missing" means hatred against the agencies increases many folds.

Actually these Pakistani Shias are posing any immediate threat to the State of Pakistan, and thus such extreme attitude is unnecessary.

Little little things make a big problem one day.

(1) Missing Pashtuns.
And we see the reaction in form of movement of Manzoon Pashteen.

(2) Missing Baluchs
And we see the problems in Baluchistan.

(3) Missing MQM members
And we see that Muhajir community does have problems with this missing persons phenomena.

(4) Missing Shia members
It will bring questions in the minds of the Pakistani Shia community.

(5) Media and above the law activities of the agencies
Again not a good idea and should be avoided.

(6) Nawaz Sharif and his supporters will also try to pose problems for the Army. So we need united Pakistan at the moment.

(7) We know Zardari is also against Army. And Sindh may also cause problems one day.

Pak Army is respected in Pakistan. But Army has to be aware of it's enemies. The acts, which are above the law, should only be practised in absolute emergency situations.

I think this is untrue ,,, we all can witness this from the fact the security provided to our Shia brothers during Muharram cannot be witnessed for anyone else ...

You are our fellow muslim brothers and you should consider that your blood is separate ,,, while our Hazara brothers lost live our sunni security agents have also lost their left for protection of our shia brothers ...

Kindly don't fell for it ... United we are strong, divided we are weak ... this is fifth generation warfare ... Enemy knows militarily we are difficult to break therefore they are creating secetarian divide ,,, who is funding TTP ? who is funding BLA ? we are fighting a war against enemy ... TTP do not represent any muslim sects they are bunch of murderers ...

 

[Maarkhoor]

Pakistani Shias have not killed a SINGLE Pakistani Army Jawan up till now (as compared to the Takfiri camp which killed thousands of Jawans).

This shows, that despite them having soft corner for Syrian Assad, they are in no way against the State of Pakistan.


https://www.bbc.com/urdu/pakistan-44288371

Today BBC published the photos of Shias where they were arrested by the agencies, and then they went "missing" after that. They were not presented in the courts. They are missing for the last 18 months and their families know not a single thing if they are living or not.

It is not a WISE way of doing things.

It is "unnecessarily" causing panic in the Pakistani Shia community.

If they have doubts, then they could arrest the person. They could also torture if they think it to be necessary. But torture could still be done even if the family is told about the whereabouts, and also the persons presented to the courts.

If they have doubts, then they could rearrest any person and interrogate again even by torturing. No problem in it, but when the people get "missing", then this brings really bad name to the agencies. No one cares about the torture during arrest, but "missing" means hatred against the agencies increases many folds.

Actually these Pakistani Shias are posing any immediate threat to the State of Pakistan, and thus such extreme attitude is unnecessary.

Little little things make a big problem one day.

(1) Missing Pashtuns.
And we see the reaction in form of movement of Manzoon Pashteen.

(2) Missing Baluchs
And we see the problems in Baluchistan.

(3) Missing MQM members
And we see that Muhajir community does have problems with this missing persons phenomena.

(4) Missing Shia members
It will bring questions in the minds of the Pakistani Shia community.

(5) Media and above the law activities of the agencies
Again not a good idea and should be avoided.

(6) Nawaz Sharif and his supporters will also try to pose problems for the Army. So we need united Pakistan at the moment.

(7) We know Zardari is also against Army. And Sindh may also cause problems one day.

Pak Army is respected in Pakistan. But Army has to be aware of it's enemies. The acts, which are above the law, should only be practised in absolute emergency situations.

Most of the missing Shias are in Syria fighting for Iran and Al Asad....when they return back agencies have to interogate them.

My comments were not targeted to you.
If they had been then I would have quoted you.

I commented generally as I have been privy to such operations.
No agency makes any innocent missing ever.

If someone is involved he maybe picked up for interrogation/investigation by any agency(ISI, FIA, CTD, IB).

Missing persons maybe considered innocent by their relatives/friends, but only because they do not share their anti state activities with them. The families should keep eyes on their wards to protect them from becoming a part of anti-state activities.

Mostly FIA involved.

 

[python-000]

Just asking!

What is the status of a person who returns from Syria to pakistan , having fought there in support of the assad regime ?

AND


What is the status of a person who returns from Syria to pakistan, who fought against assad regime?

hay hay keep away from this (this threat is an internal issue of Pakistan not india)

 

[RoadRunner401]

This is How you spread lies. It was Shias who first started creating trouble after Iranian revolution. Their organisations which were known for making trouble came into existence first. Than Saudis and UAE and other Arab players jumped in to counter that and as they had more money and Pakistan had sunni majority they became more stronger as compared to Shias

Coming from a man who is pro Taliban and claimed on this same forum that army actions against Taliban will fail.... The Pakistani sunni majority has never been involved in any terrorist activity, its is the Wahhabi and they aren't a majority by any imagination.

In Pakistan it was Iranian revolution

Iranian revolution created 1000s of wahabi terrorist ?

 

[tarrar]

Shia communities bot only in Pakistan but around the world are engaged in all sorts of terrorist activities. We should not forget that shias have done nothing good for Islam, all they have done is harm Islam where ever they found a chance to do so.

 

[Zarvan]

Coming from a man who is pro Taliban and claimed on this same forum that army actions against Taliban will fail.... The Pakistani sunni majority has never been involved in any terrorist activity, its is the Wahhabi and they aren't a majority by any imagination.



Iranian revolution created 1000s of wahabi terrorist ?

Iranian revolution resulted in Iran meddling in our affairs and started funding Shia's and many Shia groups came into existence. As for Wahabi I challenge you go read the book of Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab and point out one thing not according to Quran and Sunnah. Secondly many Barelvi Jihadi and militant group exists dude

 

[RoadRunner401]

Iranian revolution resulted in Iran meddling in our affairs and started funding Shia's and many Shia groups came into existence. As for Wahabi I challenge you go read the book of Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab and point out one thing not according to Quran and Sunnah. Secondly many Barelvi Jihadi and militant group exists dude

Instead of reading a book written by british agent, how about you read THE NOBLE QURAN. PLus,I don't need to read the book of a man whose own parents and teachers disowned him.

Shia groups came into existence and started creating Wahhabi terrorist? LJ, SSP, ASWJ, TALIBAN, AL-QAEDA,ISIS,AL-NUSRA FRONT to name a few. OR Shia started fighting back after the one eyed devils pawn (ZIA) provided unconditional support to wahhabi groups in Pakistan to please his saudi masters.

 

[Zarvan]

Instead of reading a book written by british agent, how about you read THE NOBLE QURAN. PLus,I don't need to read the book of a man whose own parents and teachers disowned him.

Shia groups came into existence and started creating Wahhabi terrorist? LJ, SSP, ASWJ, TALIBAN, AL-QAEDA,ISIS,AL-NUSRA FRONT to name a few. OR Shia started fighting back after the one eyed devils pawn (ZIA) provided unconditional support to wahhabi groups in Pakistan to please his saudi masters.

He was not a British Agent and I have read Quran and Sunnah in detail and How about you before showing epic ignorance based on Jahalat first bother to read the book of Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab

 

[fitpOsitive]

oh come on man?
everyday many Pakistanis are killed, what kind of idiot comes up with this ethnic, religious divide for dead people?
should we start counting the Sunnis that are dead in bomb blasts and target killings?

And also taken by agencies, and are missing. And ulama killed by Lashkar e Muhammadi, a shia terrorist outfit.
Yahan her koi mazloom hai..