Who's right, Israel or Palestine?

[RFS_Br]

Hey, you can't blame the Israelis for existing and wanting the right to exist peacefully, right? From what I hear before Jewish people started work on the land that is now Isreal it was barren and unwanted by Arabs and Palestinians, now it is worth something they want it back?

1.5 million Palestinians lived there before Israel's creation. The names of the Palestinian villages that existed there, and were replaced by Jewish cities, are known. This is just more proof of what I was saying, that honest support of Israel can only exist in the campaign of misinformation that hasbarists have spread (see above for nirreich's contributions).

As to how populated was Palestine before Israel's creation, this is what Israeli military hero Moshe Dayan said about it: "There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Many other Israeli leaders are on record publicly recognizing that the creation of a Jewish state entailed the mass dispossession of Palestinians, the root cause of the conflict.

 

[nirreich]

Did the migration of palestenian refugees start before 1948 war..?If yes then when exaclty did it start..?
Can someone enlighten me on this..?

It started on the first months of 1948 when the Palestinian began to be defeated again and again.

 

[RFS_Br]

Did the migration of palestenian refugees start before 1948 war..?If yes then when exaclty did it start..?
Can someone enlighten me on this..?

Yes, Israeli historian Avi Shlaim wrote that the largest migration wave of Palestinians preceded the war; it seems that it happened just after the Deir Yassin massacre, in which unarmed Palestinian civilians, including children, women and elderly, were murdered (not any defeat in a bilateral conflict, as the hasbarist above implies). I think he said that on his "The Iron War", though I would need to research a bit to find the exact page.

 

[Skorpian]

What was irrelevant? Than Israel is not bound to accept illegal immigrants like any other country in the world? Why Israel needs to follow other rules than everybody else?

You can give me the link to your previous explanation because I lost it, and I'll explain how it was irrelevant. Also, yes any nation has the right not to accept immigrants, but didn't Palestine also back in the 1920's, 1930's and 1940's also have the right to kick out the Jewish illegal immigrants? Why should Palestine have accepted illegal immigrants back then? If you won't accept immigrants, then don't go around complaining about facing Palestinian opposition to your immigration to Palestine.

 

[Adir-M]

Prager University: Is Israel an Apartheid State? (awesome video!!)

Muslims don't want you to know that they have far and better life is israel compared to any other muslims state.

Arabs is the israeli army:

Arabs for Israel- Lebanese for Israel

Arabs for Israel - Muslims for Israel

The true will set you free

 

[Adir-M]

Prager University: Is Israel an Apartheid State? (awesome video!!)

Muslims don't want you to know that they have far and better life is israel compared to any other muslims state.

Arabs is the israeli army:

Arabs for Israel- Lebanese for Israel

Arabs for Israel - Muslims for Israel

The true will set you free

 

[nirreich]

1.5 million Palestinians lived there before Israel's creation. The names of the Palestinian villages that existed there, and were replaced by Jewish cities, are known. This is just more proof of what I was saying, that honest support of Israel can only exist in the campaign of misinformation that hasbarists have spread (see above for nirreich's contributions).

As to your point, this is what Israeli military hero has said about it: "There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Many other Israeli leaders are on record publicly recognizing that the creation of a Jewish state entailed the mass dispossession of Palestinians, the root cause of the conflict.

The root cause of the conflict is and always was the Palestinian extreme position of never compromise on anything and their strategy a patient resolve until a miracle will happen and Israel will be gone.

They waited for 100 years and it seems they are preparing themselves for additional centennial of long waiting. Good luck with that!

BTW, I cannot be more proud than to represent my country against all kind of anti-Israelis who usually argues and normally stick to their nonsense without any criticism about what they were fed by anti-Israeli propaganda.

 

[SpArK]

Palestine is RIGHT.

Israel is on TOP BOTTOM and in the LEFT side.

 

[nirreich]

You can give me the link to your previous explanation because I lost it, and I'll explain how it was irrelevant. Also, yes any nation has the right not to accept immigrants, but didn't Palestine also back in the 1920's, 1930's and 1940's also have the right to kick out the Jewish illegal immigrants? Why should Palestine have accepted illegal immigrants back then? If you won't accept immigrants, then don't go around complaining about facing Palestinian opposition to your immigration to Palestine.

The Palestinians never ruled the country, the Jewish immigration was a result of international backing and British authorisation. The locals only began to call themselves Palestinians in the 1920's.

 

[KRAIT]

Palestine is RIGHT.



Israel is on TOP BOTTOM and in the LEFT side.

Great one man...

 

[SHAMK9]

Dont have an opinion on this

 

[King Solomon]

Israel - thick and through!

P.S. by Israel, I mean all Jews, Arabs and all other religions/races living side by side in the nation of Israel.

 

[RFS_Br]

The root cause of the conflict is and always was the Palestinian extreme position of never compromise on anything and their strategy a patient resolve until a miracle will happen and Israel will be gone.

The root cause of the conflict according to Israeli heroes:

Ben Gurion:
"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?"

Moshe Dayan:
"What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived.
"We should demand [a dead Jewish man's] blood not from the Arabs of Gaza but from ourselves."

 

[nirreich]

The root cause of the conflict according to Israeli heroes:

Ben Gurion:
"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?"

Moshe Dayan:
"What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived.
"We should demand [a dead Jewish man's] blood not from the Arabs of Gaza but from ourselves."

You misinterpreted understanding to the difficulty of the rival with justification. The main responsible for the Palestinian tragedy are the Palestinian themselves and their choices and actions.

 

[RFS_Br]

You misinterpreted understanding to the difficulty of the rival with justification. The main responsible for the Palestinian tragedy are the Palestinian themselves and their choices and actions.

Not what the founders of the Israeli state have said.