Whole PAF goes NUCLEAR?

[mjnaushad]

i can assure you our Nukes are very safe

Thats what worries him the most..

 

[araz]

Can some one make it clear that how an airforce is made 'nuclear' especially in PAF referance.

By having all the planes capable of lighting up a few Dhotis if needed.Now stop trolloing!!!
Araz

 

[Sapper]

Going Nuclear:
Currently PAF operates three strike aircrafts, F16, Mirage3/5 and A5. Going all nuclear means that all of these strike aircrafts are capable of launching nuclear warheads in form of Bombs, Cruise Missiles and Standoff weapons.

Nuclear Weapon is different than a conventional weapons in that a separate nuclear warhead control panel is available in cockpit which allows nuclear armament security codes to be punched-in in addition to detonation type e.g. air burst, contact detonation or simply timed delayed detonation.

It simply means that ALL types of strike aircrafts have been elevated to strategic strike aircrafts status. This does not mean that every single aircraft of F16, Mirage 3/5, A5 have a strategic launch capability. Instead it seems more probable that only a handful of F16, Mirage 3/5 and A5 have these panels.


Nuclear Safety
Pakistan only possess a handful of nuclear weapons and very few nuclear R&D facilities. These are all very well guarded by Strategic Security Regiments comprising of Army, Air-Defense and SSG personnel.

The kind and nature of security is very high and only a person who has gone through these or similar security procedures can tell you how high the standards are and how firm the background checks are. Even then they will choose not to share any information, since they are themselves "the" very people who share the responsibility of safeguarding Pakistan's Strategic Arsenal and Facilities. All they "can" and are allowed to say is that "Pakistan's Strategic assets are in Safe Hands", and hence it has become their punch-line. Our nuclear safety capabilities are similar to their European and American counterparts, so no need to worry.


Trolling
I have been very fond of "thanks" rating of members at this forum. It is a very good practice to thank someone if you find the information posted by him adding to your intellectual experience. It immediately helps me to identify if the member posting some information has been known to share authentic information or not. An information or suggestion coming from me carries very less weight than information, ideas and theories presented by sir MuradK or gambit or the likes. Hence i would like to generalize this concept.

So, I would also like to put forth an additional "troll" and/or "No Thanks" rating to keep track of the trolls as well as time wasting members/posters.

This will help discourage trolling by punishing them with bad ratings, and also punishing people who give inflammatory remarks and derail threads. Just a thought ...

Regards,
Sapper

 

[Hellfire]

The PAF has been Nuclear since 1980s as we successfully modified battlefield nuclear weapons on the F-16s as early as 1987. The A-5s were already incorporated with this capability as they were inducted. So is the case with Mirages and another addition today is the thunder. The Air Chief disclosed it a bit late though!

capability is a different issue .... any aircraft which can undertake a basic maneuver like toss bombing is nuclear capable .....

so its not as if something radically new has happened

the article IMO is more for public consumption - for the average tom, dick & harry for whom a loud bomb is a good bomb .... and not for dissection

its really insane to even hint that surgical strikes by India will be "deterred" by 'nuclear' PAF .... is the Air Chief trying to hint that PAF will retaliate with a Nuclear Strike in such a case?

 

[Hellfire]

I don't think that is any of your concern nor business wat goes on in Pakistan and how safe our nukes are they are very SAFE stop trolling up flames to cause tension here make some sense .

The highlighted part is Indian concern very much .... we know who gets hits if they are not safe

as for trolling, I agree .... its a waste of time/bandwidth to stoke up emotions here and derail a thread

 

[Dazzler]

As of now, PAF has a better surgical strike capability in shape of MUPSOW, H-2, H-4 and especially RAAD having a range of 350 km. I wonder when you talk about surgical strike, whether you discount our weapon systems?

 

[Hellfire]

As of now, PAF has a better surgical strike capability in shape of MUPSOW, H-2, H-4 and especially RAAD having a range of 350 km. I wonder when you talk about surgical strike, whether you discount our weapon systems?

your post signifies lack of understanding what exactly is surgical strike and when is the employment of the same likely.
Suggest you review your post in context of the issue.

 

[Chanakyaa]

Going Nuclear:
Currently PAF operates three strike aircrafts, F16, Mirage3/5 and A5. Going all nuclear means that all of these strike aircrafts are capable of launching nuclear warheads in form of Bombs, Cruise Missiles and Standoff weapons.

Nuclear Weapon is different than a conventional weapons in that a separate nuclear warhead control panel is available in cockpit which allows nuclear armament security codes to be punched-in in addition to detonation type e.g. air burst, contact detonation or simply timed delayed detonation.

It simply means that ALL types of strike aircrafts have been elevated to strategic strike aircrafts status. This does not mean that every single aircraft of F16, Mirage 3/5, A5 have a strategic launch capability. Instead it seems more probable that only a handful of F16, Mirage 3/5 and A5 have these panels.


Nuclear Safety
Pakistan only possess a handful of nuclear weapons and very few nuclear R&D facilities. These are all very well guarded by Strategic Security Regiments comprising of Army, Air-Defense and SSG personnel.

The kind and nature of security is very high and only a person who has gone through these or similar security procedures can tell you how high the standards are and how firm the background checks are. Even then they will choose not to share any information, since they are themselves "the" very people who share the responsibility of safeguarding Pakistan's Strategic Arsenal and Facilities. All they "can" and are allowed to say is that "Pakistan's Strategic assets are in Safe Hands", and hence it has become their punch-line. Our nuclear safety capabilities are similar to their European and American counterparts, so no need to worry.


Trolling
I have been very fond of "thanks" rating of members at this forum. It is a very good practice to thank someone if you find the information posted by him adding to your intellectual experience. It immediately helps me to identify if the member posting some information has been known to share authentic information or not. An information or suggestion coming from me carries very less weight than information, ideas and theories presented by sir MuradK or gambit or the likes. Hence i would like to generalize this concept.

So, I would also like to put forth an additional "troll" and/or "No Thanks" rating to keep track of the trolls as well as time wasting members/posters.

This will help discourage trolling by punishing them with bad ratings, and also punishing people who give inflammatory remarks and derail threads. Just a thought ...

Regards,
Sapper

IMHO, there should be more "stuff" added to the current capability to call PAF a real "Nuclear Airforce".

1. Long Range Nuclear Bombers , F16s cant do it and Missiles cant make that severe Damage.

2. Nuclear Command, with Integration of all 3 Forces.

3. A Stratagic Nuclear Command dedicated to look after the
Release/Launch of the Weapons and Nuclear Missiles

4. Quick Reaction Team/Core for Detection and Assessment in case of a Nuclear Strike. A Dedicated Satellite is a necessity to assess the affected area.

5. MOST IMPORTANTLY, the capability to sustain and survive in case of a Nuclear strike when most of ur Electronic Equipments will die.

Until and unless these capabilities u CANNOT call an Airforce a Nuclear Airforce, which IMO is a label applicable only for USAF and Russian AF.

 

[Sapper]

IMHO, there should be more "stuff" added to the current capability to call PAF a real "Nuclear Airforce".

1. Long Range Nuclear Bombers , F16s cant do it and Missiles cant make that severe Damage.

2. Nuclear Command, with Integration of all 3 Forces.

3. A Stratagic Nuclear Command dedicated to look after the
Release/Launch of the Weapons and Nuclear Missiles

4. Quick Reaction Team/Core for Detection and Assessment in case of a Nuclear Strike. A Dedicated Satellite is a necessity to assess the affected area.

5. MOST IMPORTANTLY, the capability to sustain and survive in case of a Nuclear strike when most of ur Electronic Equipments will die.

Until and unless these capabilities u CANNOT call an Airforce a Nuclear Airforce, which IMO is a label applicable only for USAF and Russian AF.

Dear,

If you hadn't included my message to your post, i would not have bothered to reply. But since you did, i consider your post as an attempted rebuttal of my post, and it forces me to reply, to get the facts straight.

1. Long Range Nuclear Bombers , F16s cant do it and Missiles cant make that severe Damage.

F16's have sufficient range to attack "well inside" India.
Combat radius: (no refueling)
(wiki) 550 km ... hi-lo-hi mission with six 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs + two AAMs
(my calc) +250km when three fuel tanks are attached.
(my calc) +250km when CFTs are used.

750~1000km strike radius is more than enough, but do remember, we will never ever be exposing our fighters to such long enemy territory penetration.

On the other hand, Missiles carry much greater nuclear punch than small strike aircrafts like F16/Su30/Mirage2000. Its a whole another comparison when comparing missiles against bombers such as B1B, B2, B52 etc, but since both India and Pakistan don't have long range Heavy Bombers, Missiles are our best bet when countering a nuclear strike.

2. Nuclear Command, with Integration of all 3 Forces.
3. A Stratagic Nuclear Command dedicated to look after the
Release/Launch of the Weapons and Nuclear Missiles
4. Quick Reaction Team/Core for Detection and Assessment in case of a Nuclear Strike. A Dedicated Satellite is a necessity to assess the affected area.
5. MOST IMPORTANTLY, the capability to sustain and survive in case of a Nuclear strike when most of ur Electronic Equipments will die.

I am very sorry to disappoint you but this was completed almost half a decade ago under Musharraf. Nuclear Doctrine was established and a "three man rule" was decided and finalized.
Nuclear Command, rather a Strategic Command controlling Nuclear Warheads, IRBMs and Missile Alert and Response units were also established.
Hardened Nuclear/Chemical bunkers for military and "some" civilian command were available even before that. These kind of bunkers also carry hardened electronic systems to counter Radiation and EMP threats.
Military communication systems are already separate from civilian system. A country wide EMP-safe military comm. is still under-development in the form of a country-wide underground fibre-optics backbone which is not effected by EMP (but still can be damaged by Mushroom Cloud and Heat).

Dear,
Don't worry, Pakistan may be a third world country, but our key military and especially our strategic assets are not so much.

Regards,
Sapper

 

[Dazzler]

your post signifies lack of understanding what exactly is surgical strike and when is the employment of the same likely.
Suggest you review your post in context of the issue.

You really want me to go in detail and tell you the significance of a surgical strike? It will take a lot of bandwidth. Sometimes i am forced to believe that some members on this forum have a narrow field of mind and think of them as Arm Chair Generals !!

 

[AVIAN]

Going Nuclear:
Currently PAF operates three strike aircrafts, F16, Mirage3/5 and A5. Going all nuclear means that all of these strike aircrafts are capable of launching nuclear warheads in form of Bombs, Cruise Missiles and Standoff weapons.

Nuclear Weapon is different than a conventional weapons in that a separate nuclear warhead control panel is available in cockpit which allows nuclear armament security codes to be punched-in in addition to detonation type e.g. air burst, contact detonation or simply timed delayed detonation.

It simply means that ALL types of strike aircrafts have been elevated to strategic strike aircrafts status. This does not mean that every single aircraft of F16, Mirage 3/5, A5 have a strategic launch capability. Instead it seems more probable that only a handful of F16, Mirage 3/5 and A5 have these panels.

Couldn't get the meaning of your post, since equipping the aircraft with Nuclear tipped weapon doesn't mean they become effective deterrant. Since Airborne jets are always vulnerable of getting shot down by long range SAM's and most of all, if PAF is looking to equip its jet with Nuclear weapons then certainly they need to show some high standard in maintainance, since just imagine the prospect of Fighter jet carrying nukes getting crashed in own's territory.

 

[Sapper]

Couldn't get the meaning of your post, since equipping the aircraft with Nuclear tipped weapon doesn't mean they become effective deterrant. Since Airborne jets are always vulnerable of getting shot down by long range SAM's and most of all, if PAF is looking to equip its jet with Nuclear weapons then certainly they need to show some high standard in maintainance, since just imagine the prospect of Fighter jet carrying nukes getting crashed in own's territory.

Dear,

I cannot begin to explain how stupid your post is, and despite your past record, this post has seriously demeaned your standing as a member having neutral perception. I am "actually" feeling quite angry at your post and will not be answering it unless a time comes when i can control my anger and give you well thought out and balanced answers.

I encourage some other "non-angry" member to reply to your.
Your questions as i perceive them are ...

1. Equipping Aircraft with Nuclear Warhead is no big deal.
2. Even if you have nuke capable aircraft, there is something not worth mentioning, as deterrence level doesn't change.
3. PAF aircraft are susceptible to enemy SAM fighters while other air forces are safe.
4. PAF's standard of maintenance is appalling, and they should start showing at least some level of maintenance.

Regards,
Sapper

 

[death]

is it really possible for paf

well experts say paf is not in condition that they can full nukear

and the most important think is balance between pak navy and paf

paf or pak navy which one is spending more money

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

is it really possible for paf

well experts say paf is not in condition that they can full nukear

Yup they cant go nukear.

and the most important think is balance between pak navy and paf

What does this mean?make no sense?

paf or pak navy which one is spending more money

PAF is getting its share,Navy is geting its subs,corvettes, and frigs?making own indigenous oil tankers etc.

 

[Hellfire]

You really want me to go in detail and tell you the significance of a surgical strike? It will take a lot of bandwidth.

No. My posting was as undermentioned

your post signifies lack of understanding what exactly is surgical strike and when is the employment of the same likely.
Suggest you review your post in context of the issue.

Again I suggest that you review your post as it was posted perhaps in the manner which signified the first part of my post. And also the latter past requested a review so that the thread is not deranged. It is assumed until proven comprehensively otherwise, that you would be knowing what you are talking about. However you managed to head in exactly the same direction as was intended to be avoided. My compliments to you for that! Sometimes logical thinking is preferred and better understanding and tolerance .......

Sometimes i am forced to believe that some members on this forum have a narrow field of mind and think of them as Arm Chair Generals !!

I agree with you. However, if the quoted text was with reference to me, then I would surely beg to submit am no General and only recently back arm chair albeit for a sort duration till as such time am on leave .... however, I do have the requisite credentials to be able to understand concepts pertaining to military operations.
thanks