Who will counter Felani's death ?

[integra]

So who are those Bengali speaking Muslims of Pakistan (pre 1971)? Aren't these the same people who now live in a country called Bangladesh? So where was this bravery in your blood when Pakistani Army (mainly Punjabis) were having a gala time in your country. And why did you beg this short and meek munafiq hindus to save you from them.

I guess you came to BD only after 1971. So where did you and your ancestors live from 1203 to 1971

O bloody hell the thread got derailed again........
Listen if you don't know history properly then pls don't contribute as you talking stupid ain't gonna get yourself anywhere so stop being an idiot.

Although its a thread 'bout felani hitwall
let me contribute some facts

This is Nawab Sir Khwaja Salimullah Bahadur

He is the founder and pioneer of the All India Muslim League which had been established at the Ahsan Manzil Palace in Dhaka,
The All-India Muslim League founded at Dacca (now Dhaka, Bangladesh), in the Bengal Presidency, in 1906, was a political party in British India that played a decisive role during the 1940s in the Indian independence movement and developed into the driving force behind the creation of Pakistan as a Muslim state on the Indian subcontinent.

Now this is A.K fazlul haq (Sher-e Bangl&#257

He was a prominent politician from Bengal presented the Pakistan Resolution in the Lahore Session of the All-India Muslim League, 1940. He was the first Muslim Mayor of Calcutta (1935), Chief Minister of undivided Bengal (well thats why we would always label west Bengal as traitors)

Anyways as you can see we had highly contributed to the creation of pakistan(lets say initiated the movement) which many of the ignorant doesn't know. Rebellion is in our blood therefore because of the discrimination of west pakistan we had to break free. Now many of the indian (insert majority of 'em) thinks that its because of them we had our freedom.

Well our liberation war was fought for 10 months, within those 10 months how many days did the indians contribute? 15 days at max. When the pakistan army got exhausted because of our freedom fighters the Indians came here to exhibit their macho splendorness . Well I appreciate their help back then but the way they brag 'bout their contribution really pisses me off as if our army and freedom fighters were playing video games back then.

Anyways I would request everyone to get back to the topic..... or stop posting rubbishes.

 

[Al-zakir]

^^
Bhai Jaan, what have you done? Don't you know that we are all converts from dalit Hindu. I mean how could you claim that Bangladeshis are also descendent's of Arab, Persian, Afghan, turks and other central Asian Muslim. How could you claim that Farsi was state language of Bengla not so long ago or our Bangla different form Indian Hindu Bangla.

I mean how dare we Bangladeshi think different from Indian? How can we claim our glorious Islamic history. You must not do that because Indian say so..............

 

[Jackdaws]

O bloody hell the thread got derailed again........
Listen if you don't know history properly then pls don't contribute as you talking stupid ain't gonna get yourself anywhere so stop being an idiot.

Although its a thread 'bout felani hitwall
let me contribute some facts

This is Nawab Sir Khwaja Salimullah Bahadur

He is the founder and pioneer of the All India Muslim League which had been established at the Ahsan Manzil Palace in Dhaka,
The All-India Muslim League founded at Dacca (now Dhaka, Bangladesh), in the Bengal Presidency, in 1906, was a political party in British India that played a decisive role during the 1940s in the Indian independence movement and developed into the driving force behind the creation of Pakistan as a Muslim state on the Indian subcontinent.

Now this is A.K fazlul haq (Sher-e Bangl&#257

He was a prominent politician from Bengal presented the Pakistan Resolution in the Lahore Session of the All-India Muslim League, 1940. He was the first Muslim Mayor of Calcutta (1935), Chief Minister of undivided Bengal (well thats why we would always label west Bengal as traitors)

Anyways as you can see we had highly contributed to the creation of pakistan(lets say initiated the movement) which many of the ignorant doesn't know. Rebellion is in our blood therefore because of the discrimination of west pakistan we had to break free. Now many of the indian (insert majority of 'em) thinks that its because of them we had our freedom.

Well our liberation war was fought for 10 months, within those 10 months how many days did the indians contribute? 15 days at max. When the pakistan army got exhausted because of our freedom fighters the Indians came here to exhibit their macho splendorness . Well I appreciate their help back then but the way they brag 'bout their contribution really pisses me off as if our army and freedom fighters were playing video games back then.

Anyways I would request everyone to get back to the topic..... or stop posting rubbishes.

That's as ridiculous as saying that French Resistance would have overthrown the Nazis because they were fighting for a longer time on French soil and the invasion at Normandy was irrelevant.

 

[lonelyone]

It was very interesting to see a Canadian-Bangladeshi call me a bharti dalal. You don't even live here, you live comfortably thousands of miles away in Canada, and you seem to have inside information on every secret thing that happens here. If you have a problem with my post why don't you debate it with logic, instead of just calling me a dalal? Go ahead, post some reasons why we should believe that India is behind, say the garments violence, instead of blindly proclaiming it, and attacking others when they want to know your reasoning.

 

[integra]

^^
Bhai Jaan, what have you done? Don't you know that we are all converts from dalit Hindu. I mean how could you claim that Bangladeshis are also descendent's of Arab, Persian, Afghan, turks and other central Asian Muslim. How could you claim that Farsi was state language of Bengla not so long ago or our Bangla different form Indian Hindu Bangla.

I mean how dare we Bangladeshi think different from Indian? How can we claim our glorious Islamic history. You must not do that because Indian say so..............

Heh heh! Good one, Even my family has Persian blood(mothers side).
We should all be proud of who we are. As you can see this country initiated so many great leaders. I really don't give a damn 'bout what they think or not. Its just that we are going through a tough time.

 

[integra]

That's as ridiculous as saying that French Resistance would have overthrown the Nazis because they were fighting for a longer time on French soil and the invasion at Normandy was irrelevant.

Well I'll give you a reply later on, as for now

 

[MST]

Ignoring doesn't work if you quote his post.

You are right

 

[fallstuff]

That's as ridiculous as saying that French Resistance would have overthrown the Nazis because they were fighting for a longer time on French soil and the invasion at Normandy was irrelevant.

India destroyed its records of the war of 1971.

Excerpts from Daily Star,

The destroyed files include those on the creation of the Mukti Bahini, all appreciation and assessments made by the Indian army during the war period, the orders issued to fighting formations, and other sensitive operational details, according to the report published on the front page.

Quoting 'authoritative army sources' the report said all records of the period, held at the Eastern Command of the Indian army headquarters in Kolkota were destroyed immediately after the 1971 war. “This had remained secret until now,” the daily claimed.

At least two former chiefs of the Eastern Command and other senior army officers told the newspaper that the destruction might have happened when Lt General Jagjit Singh Aurora, the Indian army's commanding officer on the eastern front, had headed the Eastern Command.

India destroys records of 1971 war



We have our history well preserved in records and personal erperiences. I can ask the elders in my family who can give their first hand experience, same can't be said about you.

 

[monitor]

India's shoot-to-kill policy on
Bangladesh borders

Brad Adams

Do good fences make good neighbours? Not along the India-Bangladesh border. Here, India has almost finished building a 2,000km fence. Where once people on both sides were part of a greater Bengal, now India has put up a "keep out" sign to stop illegal immigration, smuggling and infiltration by anti-government militants.
This might seem unexceptional in a world increasingly hostile to migration. But to police the border, India's Border Security Force (BSF), has carried out a shoot-to-kill policy - even on unarmed local villagers. The toll has been huge. Over the past 10 years Indian security forces have killed almost 1,000 people, mostly Bangladeshis, turning the border area into south Asian killing fields. No one has been prosecuted for any of these killings, in spite of evidence in many cases that makes it clear the killings were in cold blood against unarmed and defenceless local residents.
Shockingly, some Indian officials endorse shooting people who attempt to cross the border illegally, even if they are unarmed. Almost as shocking is the lack of interest in these killings by foreign governments who claim to be concerned with human rights. A single killing by US law enforcement along the Mexican border makes headlines. The killing of large numbers of villagers by Indian forces has been almost entirely ignored.
The violence is routine and arbitrary. Alauddin Biswas described to Human Rights Watch the killing of his 24-year-old nephew, who was suspected of cattle rustling, by Indian border guards in March 2010. "The BSF had shot him while he was lying on his back. They shot him in the forehead. If he was running away, he would have been shot in the back. They just killed him." The BSF claimed self-defence, but no weapons were recovered.
Nazrul Islam, a Bangladeshi, was luckier. "At around 3am we decided to cross the Indian border," he said. He was headed to India to smuggle cows back to Bangladesh. "As soon as the BSF saw us, they started firing without warning." Islam was shot in his arm, but survived.
Some of the victims have been children. One father recounted how his sons were beaten by BSF officers. "The BSF personnel surrounded the boys and without giving any reason started beating them with rifle , kicking and slapping them. There were nine soldiers, and they beat my sons mercilessly. Even as the boys fell down, the BSF men continued to kick them ruthlessly on their chest and other sensitive organs."
The border has long been crossed routinely by local people for trade and commerce. It is also crossed by relatives and friends separated by a line arbitrarily drawn by the British during partition in 1947. As with the Mexican border in the United States, the border has become an emotive issue in Indian politics, as millions of Bangladeshis now live in India illegally. Many are exploited as cheap labour.
India has the right to impose border controls. But India does not have the right to use lethal force except where strictly necessary to protect life. Yet some Indian officials openly admit that unarmed civilians are being killed. The head of the BSF, Raman Srivastava, says that people should not feel sorry for the victims, claiming that since these individuals were illegally entering Indian territory, often at night, they were "not innocent" and therefore were a legitimate target.
Though India is a state with functional courts, he apparently believes the BSF can act as judge, jury and executioner. This approach also ignores the many victims, such as a 13-year-old named Abdur Rakib, who broke no law and was killed simply because he was near the fence. Sadly, Bangladeshi border officials have also suggested that such killings are acceptable if the victim was engaged in smuggling.
As the recent WikiLeaks report about endemic torture in Kashmir underscores, Indian soldiers and police routinely commit human rights violations without any consequences. Permission has to be granted by a senior Indian official for the police to even begin an investigation into a crime committed by a member of the security forces, such as the BSF. This rarely happens.
The response of various government officials to allegations of a shoot-to-kill policy has been confusing: we do shoot illegal border crossers since they are lawbreakers; we don't shoot border crossers; we only shoot in self-defence; we never shoot to kill.
But there is some reason for hope. Under pressure, senior Indian officials have expressed revulsion at the behaviour of the BSF and have promised to send new orders to end the shoot-to-kill policy. They have committed to use non-violent means to apprehend illegal border crossers or smugglers where they pose no risk to life. The question is whether this will be translated into action on the ground. Similar promises of "zero tolerance" for abuses have been made in Kashmir and elsewhere but have not been fulfilled.
As India's economy has grown and foreign investors have flocked in, its human rights record has largely flown under the radar in recent years. But India is a growing world power with increasing influence. It should understand that its behaviour will come under increasing scrutiny. Routinely shooting poor, unarmed villagers is not how the world's largest democracy should behave.
Courtesy: The Guardian, London

 

[eastwatch]

That's as ridiculous as saying that French Resistance would have overthrown the Nazis because they were fighting for a longer time on French soil and the invasion at Normandy was irrelevant.

1971 war was our war. India was not a party, but then because of internal contest India came in between and gave only a tiny 1300 lives to win that war. Without our 99% contribution in bloods and lives could India win that war? To prove that you can win then start another war and see the result. Big mouth Liliputians cannot fight and win. they arte good for killing innocents like Felani.

Learn and study history in its proper perspective. India should remain grateful to us for letting them win that war of 1971. If you guys have any other opinions about 1971, then write it in your own Forum called Bharat Raksak.

 

[eastwatch]

So who are those Bengali speaking Muslims of Pakistan (pre 1971)? Aren't these the same people who now live in a country called Bangladesh? So where was this bravery in your blood when Pakistani Army (mainly Punjabis) were having a gala time in your country. And why did you beg this short and meek munafiq hindus to save you from them.

I guess you came to BD only after 1971. So where did you and your ancestors live from 1203 to 1971

We gave our blood to give you win, why do you forget that? Otherwise, how come only 1300 Indian troops were killed in 1971? Next time you come we will annihilate you as was done by our forefathers. Now, see what happens to Assam. Fight the muslims there and win it to show your galore.

But, India requests joint intervention there and asks for joint military exercise. Get the hell out of this Forum unless you stupid Indians apologize for killing our daughter Felani. Cowards say many excuses to hide their cowardness. Indian posters are no less coward than their BSF troops.

 

[ares]

1971 war was our war. India was not a party, but then because of internal contest India came in between and gave only a tiny 1300 lives to win that war. Without our 99% contribution in bloods and lives could India win that war? To prove that you can win then start another war and see the result. Big mouth Liliputians cannot fight and win. they arte good for killing innocents like Felani.

Learn and study history in its proper perspective. India should remain grateful to us for letting them win that war of 1971. If you guys have any other opinions about 1971, then write it in your own Forum called Bharat Raksak.

ALL you did, before India got involved ..serve as canon fodder fodder for Pakistani army..It was Indian intelligence that organised , trained, armed your militia..and when your militia was unable to deal Pakistani army...It was Indian armed forces which directly got involved won the war and a country for you, took nothing in return..had it been your internal matter.. 10 million of you would not have felt the need flood my country and burden our economy(which you still do) ...you could fought and died on your side border..while your govt is honoring Indian soldiers who fought for your cause ..but you ungrateful chaps claim ..you won the war by your self!!

 

[eastwatch]

ALL you did, before India got involved ..serve as canon fodder fodder for Pakistani army..It was Indian intelligence that organised , trained, armed your militia..and when your militia was unable to deal Pakistani army...It was Indian armed forces which directly got involved won the war and a country for you, took nothing in return..had it been your internal matter.. 10 million of you would not have felt the need flood my country and burden our economy(which you still do) ...you could fought and died on your side border..while your govt is honoring Indian soldiers who fought for your cause ..but you ungrateful chaps claim ..you won the war by your self!!

We did not need the sacrifice of only 1300 Indian troops' lives and then give India the credit for winning the war. It was our war and when IA thought that the time was right, it came into the picture and made a fake win by a very little sacrifice.

We are capable to fight our own war. Why did you have to interfere in our war? You had no reason to worry about the killing. Wars are all about killing and counter killing. 1971 was no different.

 

[ares]

We did not need the sacrifice of only 1300 Indian troops' lives and then give India the credit for winning the war. It was our war and when IA thought that the time was right, it came into the picture and made a fake win by a very little sacrifice.

We are capable to fight our own war. Why did you have to interfere in our war? You had no reason to worry about the killing. Wars are all about killing and counter killing. 1971 was no different.

IF you were so capable of fighting and winning..why did you flood my country like cattle ..you could have fought and died on your own land ..we fed you.. provided you shelter ..gave you means to protect yourself..when you still couldnot..we gave our lives to protect you ...took/want nothing in return..except your gratitude.

 

[MST]

We gave our blood to give you win, why do you forget that? Otherwise, how come only 1300 Indian troops were killed in 1971? Next time you come we will annihilate you as was done by our forefathers. Now, see what happens to Assam. Fight the muslims there and win it to show your galore.

But, India requests joint intervention there and asks for joint military exercise. Get the hell out of this Forum unless you stupid Indians apologize for killing our daughter Felani. Cowards say many excuses to hide their cowardness. Indian posters are no less coward than their BSF troops.

Last time I checked this was Pakistan Defence Forum and not Bangladesh Defence Forum. And unless the mods of the forum asks me to leave you can do jack s**t about my being here.
Now tell me are you a mod?

And I asked you a very simple question quoting your own following statement.

You should try to find out why the Muslims of Bengal were full of bravery and had dominated the politics of eastern India for six centuries. You should also ask yourself why Hindu Bangalis are not interested to join the IA, and why the Bengali speaking Muslims in Pakistan time struggled to be enlisted in the PA. There is not even an WB Regiment, what a brave people these short and meek WB Bangalis are!

Bravery is in our blood, but it is not seen in you. You should try to know if the reason is not the difference in genetic compositions although we speak the similar language.

So who are those Bengali speaking Muslims of Pakistan (pre 1971)? Aren't these the same people who now live in a country called Bangladesh? So where was this bravery in your blood when Pakistani Army (mainly Punjabis) were having a gala time in your country.

Now instead of answering that question you are ranting all over the place. Do you even read what you write? And do you understand what a conversation means? Seriously get some help.