Who supports the TTP act(s)?

[Khalid Newazi]

ISIS is a sunni offshoot of AQ in Iraq and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia But among you conspiratorial self styled internet caliphs, it wont matter. Especially as long as you have links and people of similar thoughts encouraging such conspiracies on the internet.

Ho many times do we need to have this conversation, I provide you with links that clearly shows ISIS was created by US and its Middle Eastern allies and even seeing facts in front of you, you go on and keep blabbing around.

Here's a British source claiming ISIS created by the West: Isis is a monster created by many countries. It requires an international solution | Abolhassan Banisadr | Comment is free | theguardian.com

Your Governments have been funding them under the sugar coating of "moderate rebels", using FSA as a third party to supply arms to ISIS. Maybe time to layoff your patriotism for a bit and take a look at facts.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Ho many times do we need to have this conversation, I provide you with links that clearly shows ISIS was created by US and its Middle Eastern allies and even seeing facts in front of you, you go on and keep blabbing around.

Here's a British source claiming ISIS created by the West: Isis is a monster created by many countries. It requires an international solution | Abolhassan Banisadr | Comment is free | theguardian.com

Your Governments have been funding them under the sugar coating of "moderate rebels", using FSA as a third party to supply arms to ISIS. Maybe time to layoff your patriotism for a bit and take a look at facts.

You must read articles you cite before presenting them as proof. The "opinion" piece ( Let's hope you know the difference between an opinion piece and actual reporting), is speaking in the abstract about ISIS. He is merely stating his opinion shy of any solid evidence or even solid circumstantial evidence.

The writer blames 80 countries and throws events from various ones to back his "opinion". He indirectly includes you Jamatis too as also a source for creating the ISIS phenomena; when he broadly applies various ideologies to be the culprit.

It maybe too nuanced for you. Well, it obviously is.

 

[Paksanity]

For once I will play along,

So assumption is TTP wants strict Sharia law and it is imposed and we are the non sharia compliants. Now here is the thing in Sharia: You can kill those who kill you but if any innocent is killed then

1. You will be killed in return
2. His family can forgive if they want
3. His family can demand any amount of blood money

Since TTP and Paris attackers both have killed innocents, they are screwed if Sharia is applied. In fact some families in Pakistan asked for Sharia law application on TTP because their bombs killed so many common people.

If France says, Ok Al Qaeda lets apply Sharia on you. You present people to be killed in return for innocents our pay lets say One billion Euros each for innocent blood, they are stuck.

That's why we tell you people that they don't have anything to do with Islam. Islam does not allow innocent to be killed.

 

[Khalid Newazi]

You must read articles you cite before presenting them as proof. The "opinion" piece ( Let's hope you know the difference between an opinion piece and actual reporting), is speaking in the abstract about ISIS. He is merely stating his opinion shy of any solid evidence or even solid circumstantial evidence.

The writer blames 80 countries and throws events from various ones to back his "opinion". He indirectly includes you Jamatis too as also a source for creating the ISIS phenomena; when he broadly applies various ideologies to be the culprit.

It maybe too nuanced for you. Well, it obviously is.

Alright check these out:

US-Backed 'Moderate' Free Syrian Army Factions Join ISIS Terror Group - Breitbart
Sotloff Sold To ISIS By 'So-Called Moderate Rebels' Claims Family Spokesperson
Official says CIA-funded weapons have begun to reach Syrian rebels; rebels deny receipt - CNN.com
U.S. weapons for FSA ‘ended up with ISIS’
The US Doesn’t Want to Stop The Islamic State (ISIL) – Only Exploit them for Other Means | Global Research

Here the FSA is selling weapons to ISIS and its wing-organizations.Do you really think the US aren't aware of it. Yet they fund the FSA under the banner of "moderate rebels"

 

[Winchester]

Everybody who criticizes Pakistan is an Indian ? In that event, you Pakistanis must be convinced that people like Hillary Clinton is an Indian in disguise

Everyone knows there are no falseflaggers on PDF

 

[I.R.A]

1. I have done research on your sharia law, albeit not an expert on it. You are free to deploy it in your Islamic countries, just not the West.

Does not look like you did any research, may be you heard / read this and that about Islam on media only. You even do not have the simple knowledge about Islam and its followers, your commonality section is full of assumptions. Can you back it with some evidence?

Name one Islamic scholar or local Imam you met during your research? What questions did you ask him about Islam?

And this time please do answer me unlike saying "have a nice day". What you are trying to prove here is score a point against Muslims. It is your hatred making you start threads like these and making illogical comparisons.

 

[ozzy22]

We thank global research to make that assumption from what they quoted Biden said "

Referring to Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, Biden said,

“They were so determined to take down Assad and essentially have a proxy Sunni-Shia war, what did they do? They poured hundreds of millions of dollars and tens, thousands of tons of weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad—except that the people who were being supplied were al Nusra and al Qaeda and the extremist elements of jihadis coming from other parts of the world.”

“Now you think I’m exaggerating,” he continued, to emphasize his point. “Take a look! Where did all of this go?” Biden claimed that the US opposed arming these al Qaeda-linked groups, which included ISIS, adding, “We could not convince our colleagues to stop supplying them.”

Now kindly stay on topic. I can write you down a spro TTP/ French terrorist since you avoided the question- if you like

It seems like your making excuses. Your telling me that the US had no part to play in empowering the Syrian rebels?(ISIS) The fact is America did support them until they started fighting in Iraq and killing Western hostages. Before than they were a ok in Americas book. I have no idea what it will take for America to understand using these kinds of people when it suits its agenda never works out. Kind of like what Pakistan has been doing (hopefully the recent tragic events has been a wake up call to us) but America has been doing it for many years and has had plenty of "wake up calls" without a change in policy.

Here’s Senator John McCain with Syrian rebels

 

[rockstar08]

@US_statedept_retired on PDF

 

[karakoram]

@US_statedept_retired on PDF

And trolling as well :-D :-D

 

[Irfan Baloch]

A better question would be what is the difference between TTP and the guys that USA supported against Asad regime in Syria a year ago?

that will bite them in the arse

I mean, so quickly the tables have turned, despite the examples fo Iraq and Afghanistan. the West joined with its Middle eastern select club to train and fund another set of "friendly gorillas" who originally ONLY targeted Asad but then they morphed into cannibalistic, rapist and mass murdering ISIS.

and all those "good jihadis, that left for Syria to "punish" bad bad Asad.. are now joining ISIS and returning back to continue with their blood lust.

“Now you think I’m exaggerating,” he continued, to emphasize his point. “Take a look! Where did all of this go?” Biden claimed that the US opposed arming these al Qaeda-linked groups, which included ISIS, adding, “We could not convince our colleagues to stop supplying them.”

US was not convincing enough and certain Arab regimes were able to seduce rest of the Western allies to repeat the same mistake and look, same results as before.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

US was not convincing enough and certain Arab regimes were able to seduce rest of the Western allies to repeat the same mistake and look, same results as before.

With all due respect. We could not convince you to take on the Haqqani network and we were paying you billions for years on end. We could not convince KSA to stop funding idealogist education.

We don't have magical spell in our pockets to make them stop and their internal funders to stop funding. Hell, we've not been able to make some of their internal, non government funders to stop funding AQ even till today!

Why are you fellas always looking for a conspiracy to do with us? Should the focus not be on personal responsibility, the abject failure of certain countries from fermenting dictators, terrorists and extreme ideologies?

Alright check these out:

US-Backed 'Moderate' Free Syrian Army Factions Join ISIS Terror Group - Breitbart
Sotloff Sold To ISIS By 'So-Called Moderate Rebels' Claims Family Spokesperson
Official says CIA-funded weapons have begun to reach Syrian rebels; rebels deny receipt - CNN.com
U.S. weapons for FSA ‘ended up with ISIS’
The US Doesn’t Want to Stop The Islamic State (ISIL) – Only Exploit them for Other Means | Global Research

Here the FSA is selling weapons to ISIS and its wing-organizations.Do you really think the US aren't aware of it. Yet they fund the FSA under the banner of "moderate rebels"

Please learn to read and then comprehend the links you have provided- from the credible news organizations.

If U.S. funds Bangladesh for example and if those funds are covertly misdirected to the Jamati extremist. That does not mean the U.S supported Jamati extremists. Similarly, if we supported FSA and some members left to join ISIS- does not mean we supported ISIS.

Really that simple and logical. If we support FSA with weapons and some fall into the hands of ISIS, does not mean we are supplying ISIS.

 

[notsuperstitious]

I wish @US_statedept_retired is Indian. He alone is many times better articulated and smarter than all these garden variety terrorism and bigotry apologists put together.

 

[Pakistani E]

I don't support the TTP or the French terrorists. But doesn't the US support FSA aka Al Nusra aka Al Qaeda in Syria? What about PKK? Are they terrorists? Are they not being helped by US now? What about the Cuban terrorists?


Oh wait I get it, you also have double standards and good/bad terrorists. What are you lecturing us on moral high ground?

 

[Saifullah Sani]

duplicate thread: Who support TTP in the past

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Does not look like you did any research, may be you heard / read this and that about Islam on media only. You even do not have the simple knowledge about Islam and its followers, your commonality section is full of assumptions. Can you back it with some evidence?

Name one Islamic scholar or local Imam you met during your research? What questions did you ask him about Islam?

And this time please do answer me unlike saying "have a nice day". What you are trying to prove here is score a point against Muslims. It is your hatred making you start threads like these and making illogical comparisons.

Whatever made you think I am scoring points against muslims. If there is anything I am trying to do- that would be to separate the islamist supporters from the good folks who follow Islam . I think you are too fixated on being attacked.

I said I have read up on sharia and simply stated " not in our houses ( west) but please feel welcome to have it in yours". Not sure why you got so hassled by it. Really the point was a simple one.