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Pranab Mukherjee and other Indian ministers tried to terminate Britain’s aid to their booming country last year - but relented after the British begged them to keep taking the money, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal.
The disclosure will fuel the rising controversy over Britain’s aid to India.
The country is the world’s top recipient of British bilateral aid, even though its economy has been growing at up to 10 per cent a year and is projected to become bigger than Britain’s within a decade.
Last week India rejected the British-built Typhoon jet as preferred candidate for a £6.3 billion warplane deal, despite the Development Secretary, Andrew Mitchell, saying that Britain’s aid to Delhi was partly “about seeking to sell Typhoon.”
Mr Mukherjee’s remarks, previously unreported outside India, were made during question time in the Rajya Sabha, the upper house of parliament.
“We do not require the aid,” he said, according to the official transcript of the session.
“It is a peanut in our total development exercises [expenditure].” He said the Indian government wanted to “voluntarily” give it up.
According to a leaked memo, the foreign minister, Nirumpama Rao, proposed “not to avail [of] any further DFID [British] assistance with effect from 1st April 2011,” because of the “negative publicity of Indian poverty promoted by DFID”.
But officials at DFID, Britain’s Department for International Development, told the Indians that cancelling the programme would cause “grave political embarrassment” to Britain, according to sources in Delhi.
DFID has sent more than £1 billion of UK taxpayers’ money to India in the last five years and is planning to spend a further £600 million on Indian aid by 2015.
“They said that British ministers had spent political capital justifying the aid to their electorate,” one source told The Sunday Telegraph.
“They said it would be highly embarrassing if the Centre [the government of India] then pulled the plug
Amid steep reductions in most British government spending, the NHS and aid have been the only two budgets protected from cuts.
Britain currently pays India around £280 million a year, six times the amount given by the second-largest bilateral donor, the United States. Almost three-quarters of all foreign bilateral aid going to India comes from Britain. France, chosen as favourite to land the warplane deal, gives around £19 million a year.
Controversial British projects have included giving the city of Bhopal £118,000 to help fit its municipal buses and dustcarts with GPS satellite tracking systems. Bhopal’s buses got satellite tracking before most of Britain’s did. :lol:


Most aid donors to India have wound down their programmes as it has become officially a “middle-income country,” according to the World Bank.
However, Britain has reallocated its aid spending to focus on India at the expense of some far poorer countries, including the African state of Burundi, which is having its British bilateral aid stopped altogether from next year.
The decision comes even though India has a £6 billion space programme, nuclear weapons and has started a substantial foreign aid programme of its own. It now gives out only slightly less in bilateral aid to other countries than it receives from Western donors.
Supporters of British aid say that India still contains about a third of the world’s poor, with 450 million people living on less than 80p a day. (or has 80% hindu population :whistle:)
The junior development minister, Alan Duncan, said last week that cutting off British aid to India “would mean that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people, will die who otherwise could live.”
However, Mr Mukherjee told the parliament last August that foreign aid from all sources amounted to only 0.4 per cent of India’s gross domestic product. From its own resources, the Indian government has more than doubled spending on health and education since 2003. :smokin:
Last year, it announced a 17 per cent rise in spending on anti-poverty programmes. Though massive inequalities remain, India has achieved substantial reductions in poverty, from 60 per cent to 22 per cent of the population in the last thirty years.
Emma Boon, campaign director of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said: “It is incredible that ministers have defended the aid we send to India, insisting it is vital, when now we learn that even the Indian government doesn’t want it.” :P (Well, what to say, christian missionaries haven't completed their anti hindu propoganda yet )
As long ago as 2005, MPs on the international development select committee found that India “seems to have become increasingly tired of being cast in the role of aid recipient.” In their most recent report on the programme, last year, they said that British aid to the country should “change fundamentally,” with different sources of funding. The report praised a number of DFID projects, but questioned others.
As well as the Indian government, many other Indians are sceptical about British aid. Malini Mehra, director of an Indian anti-poverty pressure group, the Centre for Social Markets, said aid was “entirely irrelevant” to the country’s real problems, which she said were the selfishness of India’s rich and the unresponsiveness of its institutions.
“DFID are not able to translate the investments they make on the ground into actual changes in the kind of structures that hold back progress,” Ms Mehra said.
“Unless we arouse that level of indignation and intolerance of the situation, aid will make no difference whatsoever.”
Mr Mitchell last night defended British aid, saying: “Our completely revamped programme is in India’s and Britain’s national interest and is a small part of a much wider relationship between our two countries.
“We are changing our approach in India. We will target aid at three of India’s poorest states, rather than central Government. :pop:
“We will invest more in the private sector, with our programme having some of the characteristics of a sovereign wealth fund. We will not be in India forever, but now is not the time to quit.”
DFID declined to comment on why it had asked the Indian government to continue with a programme it wanted to end. (Well, what can they say :rofl:)

India tells Britain: We don't want your aid - Telegraph
 
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In retrospect,Britishers in India,their political masters at home were of two varieties.Those who came, saw, and were conquered by India,its antiquity and contribution to human civilization-as Curzon said (wasn't he the one who prevented the Taj from being demolished and donated the lamp which shines under the dome?),and Curzon was a supreme egoist or egotist,depending upon one's viewpoint,consider this ditty by which he was lampooned:

"My name is George Nathaniel Curzon,
I am a most superior person,
My cheek is pink, my hair is sleek,
I dine at Blenheim once a week. "

Like Curzon,there were innumerable Brits who realised India for what it was,the well of ancient knowledge and philosophy that surpassed the best that Europe could offer.They studied Indian languages,literature,art and architecture,their archaeologists and surveyors like Lambton travelled the length and breadth of the entire country undergoing huge hardships for years,archaeologists discovering the Indo-Gangetic civilisation remains of Mohenjo Daro and Harappa,"found" Asoka the Great,etc.,etc.many "went native",marrying into Indian families like Lord Liverpool's,whose grandmother was a Bengali lady-he went on to become Britain's longest serving PM.Read John Keay's book "India Discovered".There was an artist who spent a decade painting the Ajanta frescoes and took them to Britain,were they were destroyed in a fire.He came back to India,spent another ten years repainting them and took them back again.They were again destroyed by fire,but fortunately he had made copies,which brought to the world the glory of Indian painting.

But there were others like Churchill who saw India mainly as a vast repository of wealth to be purloined by Britain,to make it "greater",and for whom the welfare of the millions of toiling masses of Indian peasants meant b*gger all.When the Empire went to war,millions of India soldiers were press ganged into fighting "their war".If you go to the Royal Pavilion in Brighton,one of the maddest ,curious and delightful pleasure palaces ever built by a monarch, favourite haunt of the Prince Regent,you will see pics and clips of the time when this grand edifice was used for recuperating soldiers from India in WW1! It was a shocker to realise that our gallant "natives",fought in WW1 too and in such large numbers.We generally remember only the great contribution in WW2 and the exploits of Monty's 8th Army in Egypt and the battle for Cassino and the epic battles in the Burma theatre against the Japanese and the patriotism of Netaji and the INA.

Sadly,this "Churchillian" mentality has resurfaced in Britain (or should one say more accurately"England",as the Scots are now demanding their independence too) where it was thought to be long buried.It is also not a coincidence that it is resurfacing at a time when Britain stands aloof from its fellow European nations,preferring to stand alone economically and politically,rather than integrate more fully with the Europe for some very good financial reasons too.Europe's profligacy,both financial and political-by roping in without discrimination,struggling post Cold War east European nations into its flock and with all their economic baggage woes, is wounding the more prosperous EU economies like Britain who do not want to shell out their pounds to support the sinking Euro.When Cameron returned to London after cocking a snoop at the "Eurozone",he was hailed back home like a conquering Caesar! The bad blood between Britain and Germany and France in particular has reopened old wounds of animosity and a yearning for a new imperial era.Britain's military involvement in Iraq,Afghanistan ,Libya and elsewhere in the future,actually started during the era of Tony B.Liar,who saw himself as another Margaret Thatcher,and had delusions of even surpassing her (the Iraq war was his "Falklands"), striding triumphant upon the world stage by the side of,or by the ankles of,Dubya Bush and Uncle Sam.David Cameron is trying to maintain the "importance" of Britain in global affairs,despite that famous saying by Dean Acheson that "Britain has lost an empire and yet to find a role".

PS:Some say that Britain eventually did find its role,by being the most loyal servants of Uncle Sam! :rofl:
 
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It's funny to see how butthurt all the comments on that article are. These guys still think they own the world.
 
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Dear Brits,

This was a totally transparent competition and Dassault seems to have the edge for the time being. Why this Kolaveri di? :D You did not lose, Rafale and EF were both acceptable to IAF. Its just that French quoted lower than you.

Regards,
 
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Cut the damn aid and give us back the Kohinoor and all the other artifacts you looted.
 
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All the articles on this topic, state that it will take India 10 more years (i.e. until 2022) for India's economy to surpass that of the UK.

Is that good news or bad news for the Indians?
 
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Cut the damn aid and give us back the Kohinoor and all the other artifacts you looted.

Why don't you trade the aid for the artifacts?? Where are the artifacts? In the British Museum? If so, why not use the aid money to buy the British Museum? It is probably for sale ......
 
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All the articles on this topic, state that it will take India 10 more years (i.e. until 2022) for India's economy to surpass that of the UK.

Is that good news or bad news for the Indians?

aren't you happy to see your fellow Asians say shove your aid up your as$ to their part colonial masters ? isn't it eye cooling sight to see UK bending down infront of its past colonial slave ? or is it reserved only for the yellow race ?
 
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Give us the Kohinoor Heera back , then we will start giving you AID to feed the poor Brits :lol:
 
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aren't you happy to see your fellow Asians say shove your aid up your as$ to their part colonial masters ? isn't it eye cooling sight to see UK bending down infront of its past colonial slave ? or is it reserved only for the yellow race ?

Previous to joining this forum maybe, but now not so much. :D

And you took the aid anyway, so I don't see your point.
 
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Give us the Kohinoor Heera back , then we will start giving you AID to feed the poor Brits :lol:

ahem superpower nirvana, we still have millions of poor to feed and they are comparatively better than us so pls don't use the word poor. its like spitting on our own face. our time will come, you can feel the heat already :)
 
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Previous to joining this forum maybe, but now not so much. :D

And you took the aid anyway, so I don't see your point.

Why are jumping so much CCP drone?? :lol: looks like you got a raise :rofl:

---------- Post added at 09:00 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:59 AM ----------

All the articles on this topic, state that it will take India 10 more years (i.e. until 2022) for India's economy to surpass that of the UK.

Is that good news or bad news for the Indians?

Actually good, they used to say the same thing in the 90's India will reach the top 10 in the 2030s etc etc. well, we did quite early, so I don't think there's much to worry.

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Why don't you trade the aid for the artifacts?? Where are the artifacts? In the British Museum? If so, why not use the aid money to buy the British Museum? It is probably for sale ......

Why don't you? I believe some of your $hit is there too?? why is the great china doing anything ? :lol:

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ahem superpower nirvana, we still have millions of poor to feed and they are comparatively better than us so pls don't use the word poor. its like spitting on our own face. our time will come, you can feel the heat already :)

don't kid yourself, it is the incompetent of babus that the poors are still poor, plus we have another few trillions safely stored in swiss bank :D
 
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Previous to joining this forum maybe, but now not so much. :D

And you took the aid anyway, so I don't see your point.

UK- how the heck the Indians snub us by giving the contract to the French, we had made sure that €1.2 bil AID will assure us the contract.
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India- sorry you mean to say the aid given is not aid but BRIBE in disguise, and moreover nobody has forced you to give us aid, NO THANKS you may shove it up.
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UK- oh sorry sorry our mistake, we have to carry forward our relation, we will be out of India soon but its not the right time now, so place accept aid.
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India- ok. next time se shanpatti nai karneka!
 
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