Who is India’s real ally?

[Umair Nawaz]

We have moved on. We dont want to be your allies; ending hostilities is more than enough. Our priorities are set straight

Hahahaha moved on to what(read the thread of Russian defence minister delaying visit to Dehli bcoz our chief of Army staff is coming) n ending hostilities LOL i im challenging u that u can nvr ever end hostilities in yr line of thinking, these ending of hostilities will be like yr Vajpaee visiting Lahore n then Kargil Conflict then in 2008 Mumbai saga in yr line of thinking u may will b ending them in yr side but not in our side Mr Sandy!!!
Dont be arrogant its just since last 13 yrs your country had done well in the field of Economics when in 1991 u had open doors for foreign investment LOL uptill 1980s our currency used to b heavier then yrs. We had bough down when we were sanctioned by America in 1990 then our economy started to collapse bcoz of lack of number of domestic industries n almost no foreign investment LOL. U will be left alone n lonely it u dont change yr mindset.
Well if u cant talk peace its better keep yr precious comments to yrself n think before posting in an international forum.

 

[humanfirst]

Anunnakis.....

 

[jha]

Another article with cold war era hungover... No answers...

but then there is really no answer to this... Russia,France and Israel have shown in past that they can be trusted upon. But with every passing year equations change. Who knows in future India and China can be another England-France...

 

[Qasibr]

India will have to fix it's policies if it wants "friends". At the moment, they've got problems with pretty much every single friggin' neighbor they have. It can't arm-twist larger neighbors like Pakistan and China, so it tries other measures. For example, it gets all whiny and uppity whenever Pakistan makes arms purchases from abroad, even minor ones like MAR-1 SEAD(Supression of Enemy Air Defences) missiles from Brazil, because it would "upset the regional balance of power". And at the same time, it imports more weapons than any other country in the world. With China, India tries to become a tool for the west

Smaller neighbors, it can just coerce. Like Nepal, for example, where India fueled an insurgency, while forcing the government to buy sub-standard Indian small-arms. It led to a laughable situation where those Indian rifles would overheat during combat, and half the forces would fight while the other half would have to wait for the guns to cool down! With Bangladesh, they've killed over a thousand people in the border region in the past few years, just rampant disregard for human life. In Sri Lanka, they provided funding and support to the Tamil Tigers for decades, they landed their forces as a "show of force", until the Sri Lankans kicked them out. Even inside India, they treat their own people worse than the European colonizing nations did, treating "untouchables" worse than civilized nations treat animals.

This is essentially the "Chanakya doctrine", this philosophy of Chanakya that says that you should make friends with your neighbor's neighbor, and then crush your immediate neighbor with his help. And the wheel symbol in the centre of the Indian flag is the symbol of Chanakya, Indians feature it right on their flag to show how highly they regard his doctrine of deceit and lies.

All of these are undeniable facts, even if Indians find it hard to face them. If India really wants meaningful relationships with other nations, this fundamental thing would need to change. When Pakistanis go to China, even the average layman knows that Pakistanis are considered "a friend". Same for other countries like Turkey and Saudia Arabia, with which Pakistan has had good links for decades. India should stop backstabbing if it wants allies.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

When the article title is a question, doesn't the article supposed to offer an answer? Instead of offering more questions.
So again, "Who is India’s real ally?"

No real allies exist. India learnt this in 1962.


Rather than finding a true ally, India should continue with the diplomatic balancing act policy. It benefits us well and not committing India to other nation's interests.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

India will have to fix it's policies if it wants "friends".

Ok!

At the moment, they've got problems with pretty much every single friggin' neighbor they have.

India has problems with Myammar, Bhutan, Maldives?

Geographically challenged here?

It can't arm-twist larger neighbors like Pakistan and China, so it tries other measures. For example, it gets all whiny and uppity whenever Pakistan makes arms purchases from abroad, even minor ones like MAR-1 SEAD(Supression of Enemy Air Defences) missiles from Brazil, because it would "upset the regional balance of power". And at the same time, it imports more weapons than any other country in the world. With China, India tries to become a tool for the west

Forgetting that your nation whined about possible patriot missile sales to India a defensive weapon?

Pakistan warning on Patriot sale

But i guess India shouldn't mimic Pakistan here.

Smaller neighbors, it can just coerce. Like Nepal, for example, where India fueled an insurgency, while forcing the government to buy sub-standard Indian small-arms.

India fueled Maoist insurgency in Nepal while fighting one in her own soil Epic retardation

It led to a laughable situation where those Indian rifles would overheat during combat, and half the forces would fight while the other half would have to wait for the guns to cool down!

When did the Nepalis mention this?

With Bangladesh, they've killed over a thousand people in the border region in the past few years, just rampant disregard for human life.

Borders are no picnic spot.

In Sri Lanka, they provided funding and support to the Tamil Tigers for decades,

LTTE came into existence in 1976 and IPKF entered Sri Lanka in 1987 , How can India been supporting for decades? number fail

they landed their forces as a "show of force", until the Sri Lankans kicked them out.

India left on her own decision.

Even inside India, they treat their own people worse than the European colonizing nations did, treating "untouchables" worse than civilized nations treat animals.

Perveted affinity for European colonizers?

This is essentially the "Chanakya doctrine", this philosophy of Chanakya that says that you should make friends with your neighbor's neighbor, and then crush your immediate neighbor with his help. And the wheel symbol in the centre of the Indian flag is the symbol of Chanakya, Indians feature it right on their flag to show how highly they regard his doctrine of deceit and lies.

This is essentially is product of certified and patented Zaid Zombie brainwashing leading the frothing and foaming Indophobic verbal diarrhea.

All of these are undeniable facts,

Self - adhered certifications now

even if Indians find it hard to face them.

Not just Indians but Humans and any organism with basic cognitive functions and moral thought.

If India really wants meaningful relationships with other nations, this fundamental thing would need to change.

"meaningful relationships" don't mean free drone campaigns, Save those advices for your own nation

When Pakistanis go to China, even the average layman knows that Pakistanis are considered "a friend". Same for other countries like Turkey and Saudia Arabia, with which Pakistan has had good links for decades. India should stop backstabbing if it wants allies.

Except Turkey, which nation assisted Pakistan in 1971 again?

 

[jetti]

India's real ally is GOd, alla, bhagwan or what you may call it.
and india is its only ally on earth

 

[Contrarian]

Actually, none.
India believes in interests not allies. Very clearly so.

Infact, probably the only nation that can be India's ally is Pakistan. This is because Pakistan's and India's interests converge and will remain the same throughout..if Pakistan's deep state changes its priorities from animosity and fueling Islamism to economic and social growth for its nation.

There probably can be no bigger and surer guarantor of Pakistan's sovereignty and lend weight to Pakistan in international politics than India.
And India's interests of a strong regional trading block and progress of South Asia can only be fulfilled if Pakistan plays ball.

 

[Goodperson]

Actually, none.
India believes in interests not allies. Very clearly so.

Infact, probably the only nation that can be India's ally is Pakistan. This is because Pakistan's and India's interests converge and will remain the same throughout..if Pakistan's deep state changes its priorities from animosity and fueling Islamism to economic and social growth for its nation.

There probably can be no bigger and surer guarantor of Pakistan's sovereignty and lend weight to Pakistan in international politics than India.
And India's interests of a strong regional trading block and progress of South Asia can only be fulfilled if Pakistan plays ball.

I am not sure about Pakistan but Bangladesh is India as exceeding number of Bangla Immigrants which grows in thousands everyday.

 

[ajtr]

Bangladesh cause they always do what we say.

No .Pakistan coz it always helps india strategically with its tactical brilliance.

Bangladesh cause they always do what we say.

No .Pakistan coz it always helps india strategically with its tactical brilliance.

 

[illusion8]

No .Pakistan coz it always helps india strategically with its tactical brilliance.

No .Pakistan coz it always helps india strategically with its tactical brilliance.

this should be interesting, care to expand on that?

 

[Qasibr]

Forgetting that your nation whined about possible patriot missile sales to India a defensive weapon?

Patriot missile system threatened to substantially change the balance of power in the region, as it's ability to shoot down ballistic missiles would require Pakistan to focus on MIRV type missiles, instead of one single warhead in one missile(this is the way the Russians counter US Ballistic Missile Defence plans), as well as, in the short run, focus on faster harder-to-detect missiles like the Babur cruise missile series that seems to be a huge focus of the Pak Army, given the frequent tests with configuration changes and range increases.

India fueled Maoist insurgency in Nepal while fighting one in her own soil Epic retardation

When did the Nepalis mention this?

And I'm quoting a fun passage from the article here:

An Indian Army official said Aug. 15 that his country’s soldiers have reported problems with the Indian Small Arms System (INSAS) 5.56mm rifle, which the Royal Nepalese Army is blaming for the high number of casualties its forces suffered in a recent battle with Maoist rebels.

A diplomat of the Nepal’s embassy here said Army leaders told authorities in Kathmandu last week that the rifle developed problems during long battles with Maoist guerillas, adding that the Army has declared the rifle to be substandard.

******* reported Aug. 12 that 75 Nepalese soldiers still were missing following an Aug. 7 Maoist rebel attack on an Army camp in northwestern Nepal’s Kalikot district, in which 43 soldiers and one civilian were killed. The ensuing battle continued for 10 hours, the report said.
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An Indian Army official said Aug. 15 that in the past, major defects with the INSAS rifle, such as cold arrest, breakage and cracked components, have been reported in high-altitude operational areas like the Siachen Glacier and Kargil. Other reported defects of the gun have included broken or cracked carrying handles, butt locking screws, retainers and barrels.

Here's the link: MilitaryPhotos.net - Nepal says Indian Rifles Manfunctioned during Battle

Borders are no picnic spot.

What a moronic comment. Over a thousand people killed on the Bengladesh-India border, and your defence for India killing those civilians is that the place "isn't a picnic spot". You may not be so cavalier if your relatives, family, or friends went through this experience. The people who get killed, are human beings.

LTTE came into existence in 1976 and IPKF entered Sri Lanka in 1987 , How can India been supporting for decades?

India left on her own decision.

Your moronic lack of knowledge is not my problem or responsibility. There have been Sri Lankan leaders who have gone on record accusing India of fostering and supporting the violence, only to later have to recant their statements because they are a little country and India likes to be a bully if the other side is weak. And entering Sri Lanka was still inexcusable, taking advantage of a small, weak neighbor. Their covert aggression before and after, as well their direct&overt attack, were criminal acts.

"meaningful relationships" don't mean free drone campaigns, Save those advices for your own nation

I don't even know what point you are making, you wander here and there alot. Pakistan does not have a "meaningful relationship" with the US, which uses drones with the complicit approval of the Zardari government, which the US helped to get into power. Pakistan has meaningful relationships with plenty of other countries, like SA, China, Turkey, we have a history with these countries, and we don't backstab.

 

[ajtr]

this should be interesting, care to expand on that?

Right from 1947 there are many examples of it.Pakistan's rulers lacks paitence.Take for example of J&K king maharaja harisingh wanted to remain free from both dominions but then impatient pakistan sent raiders into J&K to merge it with Pak(a brilliant tactical move it was) but then it made maharaja join india so india did gain J&K thanks to Pak.Same with bangladesh,siachin,kargil,etc.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Forgetting that your nation whined about possible patriot missile sales to India a defensive weapon?

Pakistan warning on Patriot sale

But i guess India shouldn't mimic Pakistan here.


Bro thats a 2005 article times have been changed since 2008 when talking abt Pakistan though.
Now we have given the MFN status that was nvr every possible just as early as 2005 too LOL. Now we talk abt peace,trade,people to people contact,giving transit routes to yr country, having restart of bilateral sports n diplomatic relations. LOL
Your country seem to have learnt from its mistakes of past n vice versa. We r all human beings we all do make mistakes we are all not saints or angels. But history says that only those people who have learnt from their mistakes n nvr repeated them in future today r successful eg UK n France they have killed millions of ppl of each-other they will put us into shame we have just done nothing people who had been in even worse of conditions r now friends like Japan n America if u remember Hiroshima n Nagasaki.
We believe Pakistan n India will have eventual relations like canada n america to add to yr knowledge they were NOT always like this in their entire history.

 

[MilSpec]

Hahahaha moved on to what(read the thread of Russian defence minister delaying visit to Dehli bcoz our chief of Army staff is coming) n ending hostilities LOL i im challenging u that u can nvr ever end hostilities in yr line of thinking, these ending of hostilities will be like yr Vajpaee visiting Lahore n then Kargil Conflict then in 2008 Mumbai saga in yr line of thinking u may will b ending them in yr side but not in our side Mr Sandy!!!
Dont be arrogant its just since last 13 yrs your country had done well in the field of Economics when in 1991 u had open doors for foreign investment LOL uptill 1980s our currency used to b heavier then yrs. We had bough down when we were sanctioned by America in 1990 then our economy started to collapse bcoz of lack of number of domestic industries n almost no foreign investment LOL. U will be left alone n lonely it u dont chance yr mindset.
Well if u cant talk peace its better keep yr precious comments to yrself n think before posting in an international forum.

hah; Mr Umair Nawaz; dont read much into a russian visit thread; try to understand what I said. you credit pakistan more than what it needs vis-a-vis India. As far as you pointing out arrogance;I think otherwise, pakistan is not a lynch pin around which any of India's future developmental paths depend on. As far as economy is concerned, plz do you research. True after 92 our economy could breath easier, but the reason we have a domestic industry is the because of protectionism till 92; or else we would be in the same situation as pakistan is now in. Old economy fundamentals and small business structure in India has turned out exactly as planned by five year commissions since the inception of our republic.

Your reply is detached from what I said. Before lecturing me, try understanding the fundamentals of what is wrong with your economy. Though it is true that our economy was liberalised after 1992, still we had bigger purchasing parity, a bigger gdp and still thrice the firepower in our arsenal before 92 when compared to pakistan. As far as the sanctions are concerned, do not forget that, India also got sanctioned, but our economy is adaptable and self sustaining in nature with a huge internal consumption rate; hence even with sanctions we grew at a rapid rate forcing the world to take notice and hence cooperate.Pakistan's has never been seen as an existential threat for survival of India, but is restricted to significant nuisance value. Our prerogative is to nullify that niggling itch; as far as friendship is concerned, its existence doesn't shape the future of India. If we do end up having friendly relations, it will be a win win situation; if not ending hostilities will serve our purpose pretty well too.

We have potential to develop better relations with countries that are looking up for help and cooperation without holding years of grudge as in case of Pakistan. In this age, distances have been reduced, and nations which don't share anything common in cultural ties and are separated by thousands of miles have inculcated good relations with India.

Our priorities are set right, our national policies in both security and foreign affairs paradigm have been "India first, always". We haven't allowed foreign mercenaries to have safe havens, neither have we been soldier for hire for super powers, our sovereignty is not overrun by policymakers sitting in pentagon, and neither have our markets been monopolised by Foreign multinationals. Our; democratic setup, judiciary, civil services and military apparatus have never been at loggerheads and never has been our constitution been thrown in trash by some military junta. Our system may under perform at times, but we do have a system. Never can a General dream that he will take over the parliament in his wildest dream which seems to be acceptable norm in pakistan throughout its history.