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Which one you believe Haqqani or Ijaz ???

This make senses only if, Ijaz been used to dis-stable Pakistani Government and PA to force GoP out, and western power use power against Pakistan Army same way they did against other dictators. Otherwise, this doesn't !! Why would Ijaz go against his friend's government as well as against PA same time?
Sir because this man is sincere to no one except America He is enemy of every Pakistani and he also uses traitors in Pakistan against Pakistan and than get them into trouble
 
Article 6 can be implied on Ijaz and Haqqani, for treason against the state.

But this issue will just die down like the rest after a couple of days i am sure.
 
Article 6 can be implied on Ijaz and Haqqani, for treason against the state.

But this issue will just die down like the rest after a couple of days i am sure.

I will favor Ijaz because it seems that he spoke of truth , further investigations will reveal the full truth.
Article 6 cannot be applied on American citizens (correct me if wrong).

Zardari has to clear his stand also on Haqani.
Check full interview.

"Memo Gate" - Mansoor Ijaz full interview & Husain Haqqani response - VOA Exclusive - YouTube
 
I will favor Ijaz because it seems that he spoke of truth , further investigations will reveal the full truth.
Article 6 cannot be applied on American citizens (correct me if wrong).

Zardari has to clear his stand also on Haqani.
Check full interview.

"Memo Gate" - Mansoor Ijaz full interview & Husain Haqqani response - VOA Exclusive - YouTube
History has proved his truth is also a lie How because he speaks truth because quite often he is planning something bigger against Pakistan I hate Haqqani and Zardari a lot a lot a lot but this man is also just like them so I don't believe in any of them
 
Ijaz's father left Pakistan when our constitution deemed Ahmadi's as non-muslims.....and he vowed revenge............
Why to bring religion here, who told you this???
As far as I know he left for immigration to USA for better financial benefits and better working opportunities.

We PAKISTANIS make religion a parameter for judging anyone.its totally wrong.If religion is the parameter of anyone's goodness then Taliban do pray five times a day and many more.

Come to the topic,Mansoor Ijaz has offered inquiry anywhere in world whereas other side is declining its presence.
 
I will favor Ijaz because it seems that he spoke of truth , further investigations will reveal the full truth.
Article 6 cannot be applied on American citizens (correct me if wrong).

Zardari has to clear his stand also on Haqani.
Check full interview.

"Memo Gate" - Mansoor Ijaz full interview & Husain Haqqani response - VOA Exclusive - YouTube

You should an article and report on this guy in todays DAWN edition, clearly states that he has changed his statement a couple of times. And this guy has been repeatedly told to be a staunch anti-ISI and anti-Army person. I would not take any sides just yet.

Besides it would just die down after a couple of days. The nation has much more important things to do.
 
You should an article and report on this guy in todays DAWN edition, clearly states that he has changed his statement a couple of times. And this guy has been repeatedly told to be a staunch anti-ISI and anti-Army person. I would not take any sides just yet.

Besides it would just die down after a couple of days. The nation has much more important things to do.

Lets wait and see what full investigation come to public ,
My favor was only on that point that its more likely to be possible that Haqqani sent memo, but it may be false nothing for sure till now.
 
Husain Haqqani resigns as Pakistan's Ambassador to US

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s ambassador to the United States, Husain Haqqani tendered his resignation to Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani on Tuesday, which was accepted by the premier.

Haqqani tweeted from his twitter account that he requested PM Gilani to accept his resignation for the sake of democracy.

I have requested PM Gilani to accept my resignation as Pakistan Ambasssador to US.

In a subsequent tweet he said that he still had a lot to contribute in building a new Pakistan.

I have much to contribute to building a new Pakistan free of bigotry & intolerance. Will focus energies on that.

Haqqani had served as Pakistan’s Ambassador to the United States since 2008.

In statements released by Haqqani following his resignation, the ambassador said that he had resigned to bring closure to this ‘meaningless controversy’. ”I have resigned to bring closure to this meaningless controversy threatening our fledgling democracy,” he said in a statement released after his resignation.

He added that he was committed to work for Pakistan, “I have served Pakistan and Pakistani democracy to the best of my ability and will continue to do so.”

However, in a later statement that he gave to Reuters agency, Haqqani said that he had not resigned over the memo, that there were bigger things underfoot. ”This is not about the memo,” Haqqani toldReuters, adding, “this is about bigger things.” He declined to comment further.

A PM house spokesperson said that Haqqani had been asked to resign to make the inquiry process transparent. If he is cleared in the inquiry, the ambassador may be reinstated. The resignation did not mean that Haqqani was guilty.

Express 24/7 correspondent Sumera Khan said that her sources had said that the Army was not satisfied and had pressured for a resignation.

Prime Minister has directed a detailed investigation at an appropriate level to be conducted in to the memo. Meanwhile, the prime minister had asked Pakistan Ambassador to the USA, Hussain Haqqani to submit his resignation so that the investigation can be carried out properly and in transparent manner, the spokesperson said.

The spokesperson added that everyone would be given a chance to present their views in the inquiry and that no one will be deprived of an opportunity to ask questions or raise concerns.

Sources have said that Mansoor Ijaz may be arriving in Pakistan later tonight.

Khan added that the venue for the troika meeting too had been shifted from the Presidency to the Prime Minister house, though no reason was given for the shift.


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Do you believe Husain Haqqani's resignation will bring closure to the memogate?

No (80%, 135 Votes)
Yes (20%, 34 Votes)

Total Voters: 169


Memogate background

The controversial memo published online by foreign newspapers and brought to light by Pakistani-American businessman Mansoor Ijaz was allegedly conveyed to Admiral Mike Mullen by Pakistan’s ambassador to the US Husain Haqqani a week after the Osama bin Laden raid in May. The memo was allegedly sent by President Asif Ali Zardari who, as the memo claimed, feared a military takeover in Pakistan.

The memo referred to “a dangerous devolution of the ground situation in Islamabad where no control appears to be in place”.

It added that if the military does take over, Pakistan may “become a sanctuary for Osama bin Laden’s legacy and potentially the platform for far more rapid spread of al Qaeda’s brand of fanaticism and terror”.

The memo offered the US a greater role in Pakistan’s internal affairs in exchange for US help in preventing the military establishment from toppling the civilian government.

Haqqani, who has served as Pakistan’s representative to the US since 2008, denied that he had either drafted or delivered any memo.

Gilani has vehemently denied Zardari’s involvement in the scandal.
 
Article 6 can be implied on Ijaz and Haqqani, for treason against the state.

But this issue will just die down like the rest after a couple of days i am sure.

How will you charge Ijaz with treason? He is not even a Pakistani citizen :rofl:

Yes charge Hussain Haqqani with treason and hang him. Its obvious he was working against Pakistan's interests in Washington D.C.
 
Pakistan's 'Memogate' triggers U.S. ambassador's resignation

Husain Haqqani, Pakistan's ambassador to the U.S., has resigned amid controversy surrounding a memo he allegedly drafted shortly after U.S. forces killed Osama bin Laden in May.

The memo requested U.S. intervention to prevent a military coup and protect the civilian government in exchange for granting the U.S. heavy influence on matters of national security in Pakistan.

Dubbed “Memogate,” the affair has dominated headlines in Pakistan for weeks before apparently claiming its first victim on Tuesday.

A statement issued by Pakistan's Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani's office said Haqqani has been asked "to submit his resignation so that the investigation can be carried out properly."

Haqqani flew back to Islamabad this weekend to explain his involvement – if any -- in the scandal to President Asif Ali Zardari, Prime Minister Gilani and military and intelligence officials, tweeting on Nov. 19th that he was "Heading back to the motherland." He reportedly offered his resignation then, but it was not accepted at the time.

"Memogate" is centered on a memo that Pakistani-American businessman Mansoor Ijaz says he delivered to then-chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, at the behest of Ambassador Haqqani in the days immediately following the U.S. raid that killed bin Laden in Pakistan. The memo, which is unsigned, states that there had been “a significant deterioration in Pakistan’s political atmosphere” and indicated that the civilian government feared that factions within the military were planning a coup.

Read the full memo

Retired U.S. Gen. Jim Jones, President Barack Obama’s former national security adviser, has confirmed that the memo was delivered to Mullen.

The existence of the memo was revealed in an October op-ed by Ijaz for the Financial Times. Ijaz told NBC News he typed the memo as dictated by Haqqani, and only revealed its existence in the article to lend credibility to the policy case he was making. Haqqani has denied any involvement in requesting or drafting the memo. But opposition leaders in Pakistan pounced, equating the memo to "treason" and demanding that heads roll.

Members of the Pakistani press have been digging into the scandal for the last few weeks, including publishing Blackberry messages allegedly exchanged by Haqqani and Ijaz as the memo was being drafted, and afterward.

U.S. officials tell NBC News they are watching with "great interest" how this is being handled by the Pakistani government, but say they are not involved in the investigation.


Haqqani, who has been described as a "seasoned political operator," is well-liked within U.S. government circles, and enjoys a strong reputation for managing to remain effective in a treacherous political climate. He remains in Islamabad at this writing.

In Tuesday’s statement, Gilani ordered an investigation to be "carried out fairly, objectively and without bias."

“As a result of controversy generated by the alleged memo, which had been drafted, formulated and further admitted to have been received by Authority in USA, it has become necessary in the national interest to formally arrive at the actual and true facts,” the statement said.

Haqqani turned back to his Twitter account following the announcement of his resignation, writing, "I have much to contribute to building a new Pakistan free of bigotry & intolerance. Will focus energies on that."

Fakhar Rehman of NBC News contributed to this report from Islamabad.



Open Channel - Pakistan's 'Memogate' triggers U.S. ambassador's resignation
 
Thank god, Hussain Haqqani's face has been wiped off, no longer !
 
Assalam alaikum

It might make many of my brothers angry, i think all of them lying

humaray sub leader including army all of them apna rona u.s k samnay rotay hain, shame

TARIQ

Lol reminds me of the old joke how do you tell a politician is lying ....his lips are moving.

Zardari inc is trying to shoot the messenger, first discredit Ijaz if that doesnt work throw Haqquani to the wolves.

The question shouldnt be who is lying Ijaz or Haqquani, the question should be is Zardari lying?
The answer ..are his lips moving?
 
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Memogate: Ambassador out, but controversy rages on

ISLAMABAD: The controversial memo that sought to rein in the country’s military establishment, authentic or not, has taken its first casualty – a civilian.

Pakistan’s ambassador to the United States Hussain Haqqani resigned from his post on Tuesday following a meeting attended by the president, the prime minister, and the army and intelligence chiefs.

“I have requested PM Gilani to accept my resignation,” Haqqani, accused of drafting a memo that sought US assistance to rein in Pakistan’s military establishment, said in a Twitter post shortly after the meeting.

Resigned, or asked to resign

Haqqani’s implicit claim of submitting a resignation voluntarily was promptly contradicted by the Prime Minister House.

A statement issued by the premier’s office shortly afterwards said Haqqani was asked to submit his resignation, in order to pave the way for proper investigation.

Meanwhile, in an apparent attempt to defuse tensions between the civilian and military leadership, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani ordered a detailed investigation “at an appropriate level”.

The statement, however, did not elaborate which forum would probe this matter.

“All concerned would be afforded sufficient and fair opportunity to present their views,” the premier’s spokesperson said. No timeframe, however, was given regarding the investigations.

Out, but not down

Despite submitting his resignation, Haqqani remained adamant that he had nothing to do with the memo.

“I have resigned to bring closure to this meaningless controversy threatening our fledgling democracy,” Haqqani said in a statement released after his resignation.

“I still maintain that I did not conceive, write or distribute the memo,” Haqqani said, adding that the resignation was “not about the memo … this is about bigger things.”

Sources close to Haqqani claim he put a strong fight when quizzed jointly by the civilian and military leadership.

He raised several questions in his defence at the meeting, particularly regarding the meeting between Director General ISI Lt. General Ahmed Shuja Pasha and Mansoor Ijaz in London, sources added.

The ISI chief, however, brought out ‘evidence’ and findings of the investigation the agency conducted to prove the authenticity of the memo, and the role played by Haqqani, sources said.

Venue raises eyebrows

Unlike the previous sittings of the troika at the presidency, the meeting of the top civil and military leadership on Tuesday took place at the Prime Minister House.

It was the first time that President Asif Ali Zardari went to the PM House for a formal meeting of the country’s top leadership, despite being the supreme commander of the armed forces.

The venue change set the capital’s speculation mill in motion, with some terming it ominous due to the president’s alleged role in the controversy, that may also have been in question. When Ijaz cited Haqqani as his source for the memo, he claimed it was drafted with the president’s ‘blessings’.

“I do not believe today that Zardari had any knowledge of the specifics of the memo … I do believe he gave a blanket approval to Haqqani,” Ijaz had claimed earlier in an interview.

Ijaz ‘welcomes’ resignation

Ijaz, in his reaction on Haqqani’s resignation, said he respected the decision of its acceptance, a television channel reported.

He also welcomed the announcement of launching a high-level investigation.


In a statement, Ijaz said that Pakistani agencies had asked him to cooperate “in order to dig out the truth”. He said he would extend his help, if contacted by the government of Pakistan. Sources added that Ijaz may be arriving in Pakistan late Tuesday night.

Meanwhile, sources said the government is considering several candidates as Haqqani’s successor, including former ISI chief General (retd) Ahsaan, former envoy to US Abida Hussain, Pakistan’s permanent representative to UN Hussain Haroon and Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir.

Opposition prepares petition

Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) is likely to file a petition in the Supreme Court on the issue of secrete memo today (Wednesday).

Sources told The Express Tribune that the party’s legal team has compiled the petition which is likely to be filed today. When contacted for confirmation, PML-N information secretary Ahsan Iqbal confirmed completion of the petition. It has been compiled following PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif’s announcement at the Faisalabad rally, Iqbal said. Nawaz had said that his party would approach the court if there is no impartial inquiry into the event.

Published in The Express Tribune, November 23rd, 2011.

Adeel759
Bottom line is, “Civilian’s Haqani taken out, Fauj’s Haqqanis continue to roam and terrorize”.

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Analysis: A sting operation?


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If I know Hussain Haqqani, I don’t think this is curtains for him. I have found him to be a great survivor. However, let me digress a little and recall another incident here to give a context to the ensuing developments.

When Raymond Davis, an American with dubious diplomatic credentials, was caught red-handed killing two Pakistanis in broad daylight in Lahore and then proceeded against under the law of the land, all the three branches of the US government closed ranks and came to his defence with one voice certifying the questionable immunity of a mole known to be a CIA contractor.

Now let us compare this cohesive US response to a decidedly open and shut case with that of Pakistan’s bizarre position in the still to be investigated Memogate case with most of us baying for the blood of an accredited diplomat. What was the need for the hyped-up and well-publicised troika meetings at the presidency? Why was an officer of Gen. Shuja Pasha’s rank sent to London to meet a dubious US character to investigate the matter? And why the thundering silence of the security chiefs on Sunday and Monday following Haqqani’s arrival in Islamabad. All this provided the ‘desired’ grist to the rumour mill that a serious confrontation has developed between the security institutions and the political government adding to the fears of an impending covert or overt army takeover. Inspired perhaps by Mansoor Ijaz’s claim that the ISI chief after their meeting in London had fallen for his story hook, line and sinker, the ‘ghairat brigade’ in the establishment and the media was back in action in full force. The brigade appears convinced that Haqqani has compromised Pakistan’s ‘ghairat’ by requesting through a still to be verified memo delivered by a US citizen to a retiring US military general to allegedly help the civilian government in cutting the army and ISI to size and bringing our nuclear assets under the ‘protective custody’ of Washington.

I am no admirer of Mr. Haqqani’s modus operandi. And notwithstanding some of his sterling achievements in his career I think our relations with Washington tumbled down to the very bottom during his three-year tenure. I know him since the days when as a youthful journalist he had become very close to the then military dictator, Gen. Ziaul Haq. His political flip-flops are legendary. As a member of the Islami Jamiat-i-Tulba (student wing of Jamat-i-Islami), he was elected as the president of Karachi University’s student union in 1979-80. After Gen. Zia’s demise he first joined forces with Nawaz, before switching over to Benazir Bhutto.

After her second ouster, he is said to have applied for the top information job in the Musharraf regime. Having been rebuffed by one of the dictator’s minions, he set sail for the US, where he made it really good for himself and made his services available to Ms. Bhutto and her spouse for developing contacts in Washington and networking with the top US leadership. He was therefore, a natural choice of the government for the ambassadorial job in the US when the PPP-led coalition came to power after the 2008 elections.

But I was intrigued because in his book, Pakistan: Between Mosque and Military he had said things about the army which I thought the institution would find impossible to forget and forgive. So, I asked him when I met him in London soon after he was nominated for the job. He did not deny resistance from powerful circles back in Rawalpindi to his appointment but declared in his typical nonchalant manner that he could take care of the challenges on this front.

I have never written about Mr. Haqqani either critically or in praise, though I have been one of his bitter critics to his face. But to his credit, he has always taken my criticism with his characteristic poise and never failed to greet me with extra warmth whenever we met. But I always found it difficult to match his warmth half suspecting his sincerity.

Still, I don’t think the former ambassador deserved the kind of treatment that has been meted out to him by the ‘ghairat brigade’ within our establishment and the media. Even if all the allegations that are being levelled against him by an ordinary US citizen are true I would have preferred to send Gen. Pahsa to Washington to meet Haqqani or awaited his return to Pakistan to get his version first rather than make the spy chief go all the way to London to meet Ijaz who according to Mr. Bruce Riedal, former CIA officer has a “long record of fabricating false information and self promotion”. This very act of Gen. Pasha has by default given a measure of respectability to Ijaz’s version of the episode and made Mr. Haqqani’s position suspect in the eyes of unsuspecting masses.

Such matters should never be the concern of the security establishment in the first place. They are better left to the civilian government to sort out. And the ‘ghairat brigade’ needs to stop frothing at the mouth and stop crying wolf at the drop of a hat.

(Read: Demystifying memogate)

Published in The Express Tribune, November 23rd, 2011.
 
Anyone agree if this actually happened Pakistan would have been changed fundamentally for the better? I mean I'd like to see Democracy actually be given a true and real chance with out interference from ANY nation (U.S. or China) or institution (Army, COAS, ISI)

We're always bad mouthing politicians about them being corrupt but we never criticize the Army for leaning on the government or forcing its hand on issues.

Now even though we ll now Ijaz's history of being anti Army we can still see the proof he provided is real since it has had an effect and not to mention the BB messages that were published.
 
I believe Haqqani..... This Govt is corrupt but we should not let the system derail.... Lets NOT start from point zero again......Let the system roll.... If we topple this Govt now they'll have excuse of not have full five years.... So let them have their five years and then select someone you trust... be it PMLN or PTI or Q or MMA ..... just vote for who you like..... If we keep this process in 20 to 25 years our children will see a much much better Pakistan and will thank us......

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Only thing I would add to this is that elections in Pakistan to be held every 4 years--these politicians are too impatient to wait their turn otherwise. Yes, one less year is 20% less or rule/misrule.

Back to the topic: I think Ijaz is more credible--but is also a backstabbing 'Pakistani' who used his being 'Pakistani' to hurt Pakistan much more than Haqqani could ever hurt. Fact is that, since the hanging of ZAB, almost all governments in Pakistan are dependent upon American support. A case in point: Benazir Bhutto. Between 1977 and 1984 she rotted in Zia's prisons and finally came to the conclusion that 'Power in Islamabad runs through Washington'. So she--and her cadre--who used to openly accuse 'America' for Bhutto's hanging started to cozy up to Americans. Now, such dependence is much less these days but still there is an American influence to considerable extent inside Pakistan.
In short, Haqqani wanted to save his (constitutional) govt. through America's help. Ijaz is the backstabber 'Pakistani' here. And who knows about his motives?! Just read his statements in defence of the Mullen and the Pentagon.
And quit going to extremes in hating Zardari. He is almost certain to be gone within next couple of years. But if your policies are based all upon hatred of an alleged 'corrupt' person then you are likely to blind yourself of the larger picture.
 
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