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Which country is China's best/true friend?

China could have several so so friends, but a true friend as Vietnam, it's not easy for China to find somewhere.

Quite frankly, I feel disappointed and hurt. As far as I can see in this thread, us Vietnamese members just want to explain and express our hope for a true VietNam - China friendship. I spent a lot of time and thoughts into writing my post (English not my first language). I can also see a Japanese member doing the same, expressing his optimism for a true and blooming Japan - China friendship, even posting long articles to support his reasoning.

But all we received in return from the Chinese members in this thread are...insults.:( Look at the Chinese member above me, he attacked us even though no Vietnamese or Japanese member in this thread has provoked him.

It is disappointing.

P. S. I think "fair-weather friend" is the proper term, not "so so friend." Vietnam, Pakistan and Japan are true friends of China and not just fair-weather friends.
 
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We know that friendship is never a thing of eternal, so how about just focus on the current situation.
Pakistan maybe?
If you mean the government then I will say Pakistan
if you say the people of China then it could be anybody.....even India for that matter.....
the normal Chinese don't see India as an enemy
 
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If you mean the government then I will say Pakistan
if you say the people of China then it could be anybody.....even India for that matter.....
the normal Chinese don't see India as an enemy
but the entire endians sees china as the monster dragon
 
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I was just saying that a military/geo-political forum like PDF should be a place to learn and discuss about truth. We all can't really make a genuine friendship here since most of us will never meet in real life anyway. So if we are to discuss about the truth, then it's better to have people like BoQ77 who speak calmly and respectfully. Or do you prefer members here to twist the truth and speak nice but false things about you to make you feel happy? That's what we do in real life (or facebook), but a geo-political forum should be a place for everyone to discuss about things truthfully. In real life, we don't usually have much chance to do that, people will always avoid political chit chat or twist the truth/hide their true views in order to avoid personal hostility.

So we should appreciate people speaking about the truth here, even if the truth won't be good to hear. As long as they are not giving disinformation, we should appreciate it. We Vietnamese are just naturally curious about the truth and like to discuss them. But most Chinese members here consider it as hostile or trolling. The reality is, we just want to discuss it and learn from it. I've previously made plenty of threads on some undesirable truth about VietNam. @BoQ77 even created a special thread dedicated to ugly truths about Vietnam.

And naturally, we are also curious about truths from other countries and would like to discuss it and learn from other members here. A lot of us Vietnamese have Chinese friends in real life, but they will never talk about their true political views in order not to harm our personal friendships. So for us, forums like PDF, should be the place to discuss geo-politics calmly and truthfully, then we can all learn from each other.

I'll give you an example, I once talked about China's non-interventionism and question whether that policy will be sustainable. I then supported that question by providing an academic source in which an Arab scholar talks about the current affairs in the M.E., how they view China as an interventionist power, and their negative perspective on China. Then a whole bunch of Chinese members jumped in to call me a China basher, an Indian promoting anti-China western propaganda, etc. And do you know what the funny thing is?? Some of those Chinese members are now here in this thread asking the question, "why does Jordan and Egypt hate us? This is beyond my comprehension."

That's why, I appreciate members like BoQ77, Lux de Veritas, NiceGuy, etc. They may sometime talk about unconvienient and undesirable truths, but they are still truths that we can discuss and learn from.

As for the China VietNam friendship, I was referring to true friendship as opposed to "friendship of convenience" or "fair-weather friends." I raised the "China collapse" scenario to use as an example because it is often in times of difficulties that we find out who are our true friends and who are merely our "fair-weather friends." So how can Vietnamese feel sad when China collapse? Well, I once wrote that Vietnamese anti-China sentiment is primarily political, it is a response to political events, specifically the SCS skirmishes. So if China collapses, do you think those political sentiments will still linger? No, because China will no longer have the time and resource to focus on the SCS dispute in such scenario, this means that the Vietnamese anti-China sentiment which originated from the SCS skirmishes will also disappear. You can check for yourself the surveys before 2008 and see that Vietnamese rated China highly back then.

But I agree with you, at the rate and direction of how things are going, the SCS dispute will escalate and I'm not feeling optimistic about this political issues getting solved anytime soon. We just have to accept the truth. In fact, someone just created a thread on how a Chinese Coast Guard has just blasted a Filipino fishing boat with water cannon. So for the foreseeable future, I see the political sentiments in each dispute country will linger on. But I retain my belief that in times of trouble, for example if China collapses, VietNam will turn out to be a true friend of China. I'm not saying VietNam can save China, but that VietNam will truely feel sad about what China will go through...while some other countries will just think who they should do business with next.

But honestly, reading the comments in this thread from the Chinese members, it sounds like China is one of those people that is extremely hard to make friends with. It's like a person sitting in one corner and no matter how hard other people tries to approach him, he still think they cannot be true friends and give 101 reasons why. See, a Japanese member gave rational reasons why China-Japan can be good friends but some Chinese member said, nope I don't believe you, not good enough! I give my own explanation how VN-CN is true friends based on sentimental and emotional values, but still, that's not good enough. So now, I really have no idea.

Thanks for your reply and valuable contribution, I will reply later if I have more time, work too busy. May I ask which country do you come from?

[QUOTE = "Edison Chen, post: 7077658, thành viên: 148833"] Vì vậy, đặt BoQ77 sang một bên, Việt Nam vẫn có thể không phải là một người bạn tốt của Trung Quốc trừ khi vấn đề được giải quyết một cách hòa bình Biển Đông, và đó là giám khảo không thể bởi tình hình hiện tại. Lãnh thổ là lợi ích cốt lõi của bất cứ nước nào, hai bên sẽ không thỏa hiệp với những người khác. Tôi vẫn không hiểu tại sao nếu Trung Quốc sụp đổ, họ sẽ cảm thấy buồn? Thực tế Trung Quốc và Việt Nam có nhiều điểm tương đồng, một số có cảm xúc và cảm xúc giống nhau, tôi biết một số người đàn ông trẻ tuổi của Việt Nam như văn hóa Trung Quốc, nhưng điều này là không đủ, Việt Nam không thể là một người bạn tốt của Trung Quốc, ít nhất là như Pakistan kiểu tình bạn. [/ QUOTE]
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I don't understand your language...
 
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but the entire endians sees china as the monster dragon
please pronounce names properly
It's Indian

On topic
Normally people don't see China as danger
common public sees China as a hard working nation which is developing at a vast rate
Chinese products are presumed as cheap and fake and there is a reason behind that

Only the news channel sell this as Masala news......common man like me doesn't see China as a threat let alone monster
 
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[QUOTE = "Edison Chen, post: 7082395, thành viên: 148833"] Cảm ơn bài trả lời của bạn và đóng góp quý báu, tôi sẽ trả lời sau này nếu tôi có thời gian nhiều hơn, làm việc quá bận rộn. Tôi có thể yêu cầu mà nước bạn đến từ đâu?



Tôi không hiểu ngôn ngữ của bạn ... [/ QUOTE]
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If you mean the government then I will say Pakistan
if you say the people of China then it could be anybody.....even India for that matter.....
the normal Chinese don't see India as an enemy

Latest polls show India being negative, India is being perceived as an enemy by normal Chinese thanks to the Indian media's retarded headlines, Indian nationalist comments on China etc etc. CPC tried to portray India in a positive light but Chinese are getting a real look at India and it's not pretty.
 
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Latest polls show India being negative, India is being perceived as an enemy by normal Chinese thanks to the Indian media's retarded headlines, Indian nationalist comments on China etc etc. CPC tried to portray India in a positive light but Chinese are getting a real look at India and it's not pretty.
What polls??
Any links
 
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