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So they knew what a bullet was..and that it could be made out of lead.
yes indeed...
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So they knew what a bullet was..and that it could be made out of lead.
Sati was an ancient tradition, prevalent in vedic times since the epics mention it & Greek writers of the 4th century BCE also mention it. By the 5th century AD, it was fairy common practice among kshatriyas. Only much later did other castes also indulge in the practice.In South India, it was rare till about 1000 A.D. & while never common place, there were more than a few cases. The first evidence of Sati in S.India was from the 10th century, committed by a queen of Sundara Chola. It was later widely practiced by the Vijayanagara dynasty with numerous wives & concubines of Vijayanagar Kings committing Sati. It spread further South in Karnataka & to Tamil Nadu under the influences of Vijayanagar governors. There have been many Sati memorial stones found in Karnataka (Nayaka & Gauda castes but also including Jains).From S.India, the practice spread to Java,Sumatra & Bali with Indian migrants. The practice of Sati itself had minor regional variations. In Gujarat & Uttar Pradesh, Sati was performed in a specially built wooden hut while in the Deccan,Rajasthan & Western India, the Sati pyre was built in a deep pit.(The First Spring - Abraham Eraly)
That link does not mention anything about bullets in ancient India.yes indeed...
Bullet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sati was an ancient tradition, prevalent in vedic times since the epics mention it & Greek writers of the 4th century BCE also mention it. By the 5th century AD, it was fairy common practice among kshatriyas. Only much later did other castes also indulge in the practice.In South India, it was rare till about 1000 A.D. & while never common place, there were more than a few cases. The first evidence of Sati in S.India was from the 10th century, committed by a queen of Sundara Chola. It was later widely practiced by the Vijayanagara dynasty with numerous wives & concubines of Vijayanagar Kings committing Sati. It spread further South in Karnataka & to Tamil Nadu under the influences of Vijayanagar governors. There have been many Sati memorial stones found in Karnataka (Nayaka & Gauda castes but also including Jains).From S.India, the practice spread to Java,Sumatra & Bali with Indian migrants. The practice of Sati itself had minor regional variations. In Gujarat & Uttar Pradesh, Sati was performed in a specially built wooden hut while in the Deccan,Rajasthan & Western India, the Sati pyre was built in a deep pit.(The First Spring - Abraham Eraly)
Thanks for the reference. This is new to me. Being a Manglorean brought up in Maharashtra ,I had never heard of this thing ever in Karnataka,Kerela or Tamil Nadu. Will read up into your source.
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That link does not mention anything about bullets in ancient India.
I would like to have some references where it says that caste system is of hereditary nature.
I did a little reading at one point of time,and found out that the different castes were actually the names for different designations.
As for example,the Brahmins-people attached to studying,prayers etc... We call them scholars now.
The Kshatriyas-The warriors and the protectors of the law..We call them Police now.
The Vaishyas-The traders.. We sometimes call them Baniyas now.
The Shudras-The people entitled to make a community function properly by providing services.There goes your service sector...
So,its just a designation.Now there are certain group of people at all times in history of human civilization who will try to bend the faith to make it work for their own benefit,be it the Christian church of middle ages,the Hindu upper castes or the the Islamic mullahs...I think this is what has actually happened,and then became a part of tradition.
Sati was an ancient tradition, prevalent in vedic times since the epics mention it & Greek writers of the 4th century BCE also mention it. By the 5th century AD, it was fairy common practice among kshatriyas. Only much later did other castes also indulge in the practice.In South India, it was rare till about 1000 A.D. & while never common place, there were more than a few cases. The first evidence of Sati in S.India was from the 10th century, committed by a queen of Sundara Chola. It was later widely practiced by the Vijayanagara dynasty with numerous wives & concubines of Vijayanagar Kings committing Sati. It spread further South in Karnataka & to Tamil Nadu under the influences of Vijayanagar governors. There have been many Sati memorial stones found in Karnataka (Nayaka & Gauda castes but also including Jains).From S.India, the practice spread to Java,Sumatra & Bali with Indian migrants. The practice of Sati itself had minor regional variations. In Gujarat & Uttar Pradesh, Sati was performed in a specially built wooden hut while in the Deccan,Rajasthan & Western India, the Sati pyre was built in a deep pit.(The First Spring - Abraham Eraly)
In fact, contrary to the popular belief, cows are only respected and not worshipped.
On the other hand, Lakshmi, wife of Shiva, mother of Ganesh, the Goddess of Wealth, is worshipped in almost every Hindu home.
there is no concept of sati in vedas...
Very simplistic view of the caste system & one that is normally put out by the apologists (not you, I'm sure). If what you are saying was remotely believed to be true, why was Drona, the great martial arts teacher of the Mahabharata, a Brahmin? Should he not have been a Kshatriya since that was his profession. Same could be asked about Parushurama. There are specific details of how many rebirths are required to change from one caste to another, something that would not be mentioned if it was based only on profession.(Indra explaining to Matanga in the Mahabharata; Manu's view on that-from manusmriti) Don't want to pollute this thread with more of that nonsense. (PM only if you are very interested).
I have never been to Kerla, So I can not answer you. But FYI Kerla is one of the state where 50% population is non Hindu. Out of 2 person standing in crowd one is non Hindu. The Beef consumption will be definately higher if every second person compulsory eat beef.
Any way its there personal choisce to eat beef or not. What can I say???
Didn't say there was, just said that it was practiced since vedic times; there are references to it both in Ramayana & Mahabharata.
Forget Cows,Indian politicians don't trigger war even after BD brothers.[/COLOR]
This is clever approach, but practicing it..... may trigger a war.
there is no concept of sati in vedas...
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but it mentions about lead bullets in 4th century BC...why do you think if one thing is found in europe it must only have been in europe and not in rest of the world?
Teachers=One with advanced senses=bramhin.Drona who was born to a brahmin later studied religion and military arts and then became acharya and thus came to be known as dronacharya( drona the teacher)
4th century bc was thousands of years AFTER vedic times.
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Teachers=One with advanced senses=bramhin.
Dronacharya martial arts specialist but a teacher not a warrior.Hence a bramhin not a kshtariya.
Rig Veda, Book 10, Chapter 18, Verses 8 & 9:
"उदीर्ष्व नार्यभि जीवलोकं गतासुमेतमुप शेष एहि |
हस्तग्राभस्य दिधिषोस्तवेदं पत्युर्जनित्वमभि सम्बभूथ ||"
"धनुर्हस्तादाददानो मर्तस्यास्मे कषत्राय वर्चसेबलाय |
अत्रैव तवमिह वयं सुवीरा विश्वा सप्र्धोभिमातीर्जयेम ||"
'udīrsva naryabhi jīvalokam ghatasumetamupa sesa ehi |
hastaghrabhasya didhisostavedam patyurjanitvamabhi sambabhutha |'
'dhanurhastadadadano mrtasyasme ksatraya varcasebalaya |
atraiva tvamiha vayam suvira visva sprdhoabhimatirjayema ||'
'Rise, come unto the world of life, O woman: come, he is lifeless by whose side thou liest.
Wifehood with this thy husband was thy portion, who took thy hand and wooed thee as a lover.' 8
' From his dead hand I take the bow be carried, that it may be our power and might and glory.
There art thou, there; and here with noble heroes may we o’ercome all hosts that fight against us.' 9
(Rig (x.18.8) blesses a woman at her second marriage, with progeny and prosperity in this life time. Go up, O woman, to the world of living; you stand by this one who is deceased; come! to him who grasps your hand, your second spouse (didhisu) ,you have now entered into the relation of wife to husband.
In rig (X.18.9) the new husband while taking the widow as his wife says to her: let us launch a new life of valor and strength begetting male children overcoming all enemies who may assail us.)
(ii) Atharvana Veda (XVIII.3.4) blesses the widow to have a happy life with present husband. O ye inviolable one ! (the widow) tread the path of wise in front of thee and choose this man (another suitor) as thy husband. Joyfully receive him and may the two of you mount the world of happiness.
What are you on about? They had arrows and swords in those times. Not lead bullets!!!yes it is thousands of years after vedic times but that does not mean it did not exist thousands of years before..