Where is the independent investigation into PK 661?

[Khafee]

If you Google "Airblue Flight 202 Final Report" however the report might have been leaked by Dawn News or maybe CAA decided to publish the report it self. I didn't get my hands on the report through anyone but the internet.

BTW @Khafee I appreciate your interest into the matter. Means a lot, thanks!

Not doubting you.

 

[VCheng]

The report was written by:

COMPOSITION OF INVESTIGATION TEAM​

Team Members
1) Investigation In Charge (IIC), Safety Investigation Board, PCAA
2) Ops Member, PCAA
3) Tech Member, Safety Investigation Board, PCAA
4) Medical Member, PCAA
5) ATS Member, PCAA
6) Airworthiness Member, PCAA
7) Airblue Acc Member
8) PAF Acc Member

Yes, all very correct and official. Funny how the post claiming to know "what really happened" disappeared, eh?

 

[Divergent]

Where’s my tag? @The Diplomat

 

[The Diplomat]

Where’s my tag? @The Diplomat

Sorry, I know you have been very active on other forums, talking with me and giving very deep analysis. I'm sorry (I won't like to say I forgot! but I did!)
Please do add to the thread if you feel like it and I will add your name straight away! Your feedback is appreciated to the highest level and means a lot to me! Honestly!

 

[Divergent]

Sorry, I know you have been very active on other forums, talking with me and giving very deep analysis. I'm sorry (I won't like to say I forgot! but I did!)
Please do add to the thread if you feel like it and I will add your name straight away! Your feedback is appreciated to the highest level and means a lot to me! Honestly!

You mean that?

 

[The Diplomat]

Yes, all very correct and official. Funny how the post claiming to know "what really happened" disappeared, eh?

Good point, funny how the report was leaked by Dawn aswell and not published by CAA.

You mean that?

Oh yes, I do! xD

 

[VCheng]

Good point, funny how the report was leaked by Dawn aswell and not published by CAA.

As I said before:

Pakistan's history shows that final reports are never made public. Why expect something different now?

 

[The Diplomat]

Pakistan's history shows that final reports are never made public. Why expect something different now?

As I said before:

I just found Final Reports published by CAA Pakistan.

Note: Check https link, it is from PCAA's website.
Bhoja Air Flight 213
Airblue Fight 202
SIB - Final Investigation Report

@Khafee

The fault was identified with shoddy maintenance. Given the condition of PIA, whether procedures have been improved is highly unlikely.

To my understanding a C-Check was completed on the aircraft a few weeks prior to the crash. The aircraft was apparently in airworthy condition. I can not talk on behalf of PIA's procedure of conducting a C-Check.

 

[VCheng]

I just found Final Reports published by CAA Pakistan.

Note: Check https link, it is from PCAA's website.
Bhoja Air Flight 213
Airblue Fight 202
SIB - Final Investigation Report

@Khafee


To my understanding a C-Check was completed on the aircraft a few weeks prior to the crash. The aircraft was apparently in airworthy condition. I can not talk on behalf of PIA's procedure of conducting a C-Check.

Those "final" reports are carefully constructed "consensus" documents that serve to fulfill requirements and no more. What if I claimed that PIA did not even have the required tools to properly service ATR aircraft? (Not that I would dare do so, I am merely posing a question.)

 

[The Diplomat]

This is what led to the crash of PK-661 flight

One of the engines of the ill-fated Pakistan International Airlines flight PK-661 developed fault leading to the crash that killed everyone on board, according to an initial inquiry.

While flying smoothly at 13,375 feet, the left engine of the plane malfunctioned, exploded and damaged a wing, Dawn reported, citing the initial inquiry by the Civil Aviation Authority.

So far PIA has not released any report on the cause of the crash. Earlier, it had said the real cause of the accident would only be determined once the data from the black box had been analysed.

The plane had descended in an unsymmetrical manner after which it lost altitude in the few moments before it crashed. The plane had started bumping at around 4.12 PM, which is when the pilot had reported the engine failure. It gradually lost 2,000 feet, entered free fall and lost another 1,800 feet in a millisecond, the paper said, citing the report.

LATEST: Witnesses recall the horror of PIA crash

The report says that the plane had been stable for a few milliseconds and the pilot gained some control. It glided for a few seconds before the free fall at around 4.13 PM but within minutes disappeared from the radar.

It suggests that the ATR 42-500 is one of the most recent versions of the aircraft. Its first delivery was made in 1995 while the plane in question was delivered to the PIA in 2007. The plane had one instance of an engine failure in 2014. The engine was replaced and since then, it had been operating smoothly.

The ATR 42-500 has six-bladed propellers powered by PW127E engines rated at 2,400 shp (1,800kW) for improved high performance and increased cruise speed. Its engines are certified to be safe and strong in a variety of conditions. It had flown 18,740 hours before it crashed on Wednesday.

The weather conditions in the area were normal at 4.10PM. Temperature was recorded at 23°C, dew point at 10°C, humidity at 44pc, air pressure at 1,016 hPa and visibility at 16km. The wind's direction was south-east and the speed 7.4km/h.

The pilot of the ill-fated plane had extensive experience of flying in northern areas. "The PK-661 flight was damaged structurally. Since it fell freely, we can say with certainty that the aircraft was not intact and it had lost its shape and failed to glide," the report says.

It says that ATRs can glide even if both engines are switched off or have malfunctioned. Had the plane's structure been intact, it could have glided for 15km to 25km before hitting the ground as it had been flying at around 13,000 feet.

However, an aircraft will fall freely if there is structural damage as hampered aerodynamics does not allow it to glide with gradual descent. There is a possibility then that the failed engine had exploded and damaged the wing attached to it, the report says.

Pilots have a way of shutting down an engine. Before that the plane needs to descend and reduce speed to match the aerodynamics of the situation the aircraft is in, which the pilots of PK-661 did, as can be seen in the graph.

Pilots do not shut down a problematic engine at once.

They bring the plane to a certain altitude and speed to make sure that the remaining engine can handle the load and aerodynamics. The pilot had been trying to do that but the failed engine had probably caught fire and damaged the wing, the report says.

What seemingly happened, the inquiry report suggests, is that the pilot had reduced speed and dropped altitude after which the plane free fell due to structural damage. He had shut down the malfunctioned engine, which had exploded before that and damaged the wing.
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/intern...left-engine-malfunctioned-says-initial-report

 

[VCheng]

There is a possibility then that the failed engine had exploded and damaged the wing attached to it, the report says.

So what caused this malfunction in the first place?

 

[The Diplomat]

So what caused this malfunction in the first place?

There could be several reasons, maybe FOD or a part from the fuselage became loose and hit the engine causing it to malfunction and the debris could have caused a slice in the wings. That has happened before (not on any Pakistani aircraft).

It is up to the investigators to find out the cause, lets just hope that there are no attempts to hide the truth as CAA is investigating.

 

[VCheng]

There could be several reasons, maybe FOD or a part from the fuselage became loose and hit the engine causing it to malfunction and the debris could have caused a slice in the wings. That has happened before (not on any Pakistani aircraft).

It is up to the investigators to find out the cause, lets just hope that there are no attempts to hide the truth as CAA is investigating.

That is the crux of the matter, to identify the root cause and rectify the factors creating the failure. Without closing this loop, anything else falls short.

 

[El Sidd]

Criminal negligence is the verdict

 

[VCheng]

Criminal negligence is the verdict

Only the dead will be declared at fault, since they cannot defend themselves. The rest of the system goes on as before.