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When will Pakistan become a 1st world country?

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At current trajectory I would say 2040 to become a BRIC nation.

2070 to become a developed 1st world country barring any major wars or an abnormal shift in global geopolitics.

Any other thoughts?
 
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At current trajectory I would say 2040 to become a BRIC nation.

2070 to become a developed 1st world country barring any major wars or an abnormal shift in global geopolitics.

Any other thoughts?
It would need about three generations refreshing to reach 1st world. To put it bluntly it would need average Pakistani to think like a Japanese, Chinese, German, British, Canadian etc.

When a average Pakistani can live with homosexuality, gender equality, religious freedom, sexual freedom then Pakistan will have arrived at the 1st world station. We have to keep in mind these are symptomatic of being first world and not related to being Western, American etc. For example Chinese share more values with British then with Pakistani's. Ditto Japanese.

Indeed all 1st world countries despite what ethnic group or geographic region display remarkably similar characteristics. It appears that underlying dynamics of a 1st world economy generate similar profile of population.
 
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It would need few about three generations refreshing to each 1st world. To put it bluntly it would need average Pakistani to think like a Japanese, Chinese, German, British, Canadian etc.

When average Pakistani can live with homsexuality, gender equality, religious freedom, sexual freedom then Pakistan will have arrived at the 1st world station. We have to keep in mind these symptomatic of being first world and not related to being Western, American etc. For example Chinese share more values with British then with Pakistani's. Ditto Japanese.

Indeed all 1st world countries despite what ethnic group or geographic region display remarkably similar characteristics. It appears that underlying dynamics of a 1st world economy generate a certain profile of population.

This is visible in elite Pakistanis even though they make small % of overall pop. They are not open about it but upper class families don't have that much of problem with their children coming out as transgender etc... They don't disown them like others do.
 
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This is important question! allegedly third world countries are those with more religion!
Its not possible to convert Pak into first world, It may will take 300 years for Pak to become Canada/UK like country!!

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Pakistan is 3rd world by what so ever definition, almost 99% youth would be died in few decades without living/observing/enjoying the idea of first world.

Total time difference between Pak and Canada/UK is almost 200 years, Therefore every present living folk should try to move towards first world,
by doing that they could move 200 years in time.



The rich, the poor and the growing gap between them
The rich are the big gainers in world and than there are poor folk in Pak that r big population and millions of them even have no net!
 
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It would need about three generations refreshing to reach 1st world. To put it bluntly it would need average Pakistani to think like a Japanese, Chinese, German, British, Canadian etc.

When a average Pakistani can live with homosexuality, gender equality, religious freedom, sexual freedom then Pakistan will have arrived at the 1st world station. We have to keep in mind these are symptomatic of being first world and not related to being Western, American etc. For example Chinese share more values with British then with Pakistani's. Ditto Japanese.

Indeed all 1st world countries despite what ethnic group or geographic region display remarkably similar characteristics. It appears that underlying dynamics of a 1st world economy generate similar profile of population.

You are talking about the enlightenment era, or the eureka moment?

When society transcends primitive classifications of others based on ethnicity, gender, sexuality etc.

Yes this is a hallmark of a 1st world mindset.

But you do understand for this to happen religion would need to take a back seat because it is torchbearer for demonizing differences? Secularism is also a common trait shared by 1st world countries. Don't get be wrong religion still has its place but not it is not the rudder which steers the ship.

So when will this eureka moment happen? Or is it intrinsically linked to GDP?
 
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Turkish and Pakistan Government, all our LOYAL Intellectuals are working on it. Let them do it.

We will in future never them present them our left cheek, if we were punched right cheek.
 
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This is visible in elite of Pakistanis even though they make small % of overall pop. They are not open about it but upper class families don't have that much of problem with their children coming out as transgender etc... They don't disown them like others do.
I agree. In evaluating this subject we have try and look beyond our own narrow horizons. I can certainly tell you that I am far from from a typical Pakistani because I have been 'fast tracked' forward on account of being brought up in UK and my peculiar family background. Right now I would be oddball in Pakistan but in another two generations most Pakistani's will be like me and the generation after would reach 1st world.

Although we live in 2016 but actually many people in sociological terms are still living in 1900s, 1800s etc In other words their social patterns and thinking is no differant to what it was in those times. This fracture in time applies inside Pakistan as well. You see that with the wealthy and elite living alternate lifes. That is where rest will end up as the economy offers them the same benefits.

Look at the Muslim world. Which country is furthest down the road to being 1st world? I think most people would say Turkey. Then compare Istanbul to the 1st world. compare Turkish attitudes to gender, homsexuality, religious freedom and you will see they are most relaxed amongst the Muslim world although they still are not 1st world. That said they are moving to that destination very fast.
 
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At current trajectory I would say 2040 to become a BRIC nation.

2070 to become a developed 1st world country barring any major wars or an abnormal shift in global geopolitics.

Any other thoughts?

I think your projections are very conservative. You must take into account the fact that technological and political disruptions cannot be foreseen and that any country (including Pakistan) can be on the right side of such disruptions.

For example, automation in manufacturing and the emergence of strong AI (artificial intelligence) will have an impact on our society that is currently unimaginable. All that Pakistan needs are a stable government, reasonable security and a decade of economic growth in the right direction.

As an example, today everyone takes China's rise for granted. In a few years they may well actually challenge the US for economic hegemony (although I personally doubt it). Yet, the fact is, China's meteoric growth happened just over a 15 year period, through a combination of hard work, stability and luck.

So I don't see any reason as to why Pakistan cannot become a red hot economic superstar in just 20 years. And in fact as long as it is coupled with a stable government which looks after the welfare of its own citizens instead of concerning itself with geo-political games, I think the world will be a better place for it.
 
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When a average Pakistani can live with homosexuality, gender equality, religious freedom, sexual freedom then Pakistan will have arrived at the 1st world station
I'd say that's the wrong way of looking at it. If you define 'first world' as Western Liberal, then true. But a country can be socially conservative, preserve its morals and culture, and still be well developed.

The problem is not that we are too conservative or too religious. It's that we don't actually follow our ethics, and don't have an accountable political system, or any other proper civil institution.

Islamic ethics already teach religious tolerance. Most Pakistanis just don't actually practice Islamic ethics. You think we'd have this much widespread bribery and corruption if they were practiced?

As for 'sexual freedom', these are artificial ideas that have only recently been gaining ground in the West. They were 'first world countries' long before they abandoned religion and embraced this form of Liberalism.

In fact, they were very well developed and industrialized before they got Democracy. Britain, for example, only introduced Democracy as we know it in the late 1800s, and even then the aristocracy had considerable influence.

By the early 20th Century, Britain had workers' rights, a functioning police force, a relatively decent Civil Service system, and a strong and stable Judiciary. This had absolutely nothing to do with accepting 'sexual freedom' or abandoning religion, which first gained ground in the 1970s.

Now, I'm not advocating a Theocracy, but Western Culture can not simply be imported and imposed upon the population of Pakistan. Besides, there are many flaws in the Western system anyways, even technical and institutional flaws that have nothing to do with liberalism or culture (such as the First Past the Post voting system and the Electoral College in America)

We need a system that suits us, and it will take time to develop. Cultures must evolve and develop on their own. Simply copying a different culture doesn't work.
 
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Or is it intrinsically linked to GDP?
No it is not intrinisically linked to GDP. There is a correlation but not absolute. If that were the case Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, UAE would be in 1st world.

The correlation is with thinking, social forms, education that sustains a high powered economy. In short the mindset that is behind 1st world economies, be they in Hong Kong, Tokyo, London or New York. If a society finds a 'cheat' to arrive at high GDP it still remains 3rd world in mindset. Examples are Saudia Arabia where the oil is the 'cheat' to arrive at high GDP without having to reform the mindset. If you take away KSA oil most Saudi's would quickly revert again to poverty because the genus of their mindest would not be able to power high GDP. However if Germany was destroyed tomorrow it would rebuild itself within a decade, as she did after WW2 because it had the intrinsic mindset.

Therefore it is the mindset that leads to high GDP which graduates a country to 1st world. They all work in tandem in a uphill progression as we are seeing in Turkey.
 
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-control population growth to max of 300 million
-increase electric generation massively (nat gas fired, solar, wind, nuclear)
-plan for water scarcity and how to mitigate it.
-eliminate terrorism and madrassas
-make peace with India
-become more secular
 
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Look at the Muslim world. Which country is furthest down the road to being 1st world? I think most people would say Turkey. Then compare Istanbul to the 1st world. compare Turkish attitudes to gender, homsexuality, religious freedom and you will see they are most relaxed amongst the Muslim world although they still are not 1st world. That said they are moving to that destination very fast.
Again, same problem. Turkey has been industrialized and developed since before Pakistan existed. Obviously, not as much as the Western countries Ataturk tried to emulate, but still considerably more than Pakistan.

Abandoning our culture is not the answer. The West has its own problems as well, and they are considerable. Turkey makes for an interesting case-study though. Also, Turkey doesn't tick most of the LGBT rights boxes. In fact, they have the same amount of 'ticks' as Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Turkey#Summary_table
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Pakistan#Summary_table

Edit: checked China, they have the same number aswell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_China#Summary_table
 
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'first world' as Western Liberal
If you read my previous posts I took care to avoid the term 'Western liberal'. That is so because it is now redundant and also is factually incorrect. I prefer the 1st world. Most people call it 'Western liberal' because West was the first to reach 1st world and therefore became typecast. The fact is same phenomenon can be seen in any country of any ethnic group in any part of the world that is 1st world. That is why I mentioned Hong Kong, Tokyo, Seoul,London, New York, Paris, Moscow, Rio de Janerio beating to the same rhythm.

Tokyo nightlife

Gay bar

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Hong Kong

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London

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What is the differance? The almond eyes?
 
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