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In an international version of the blame game, Beijing and Tokyo have frequently resorted to historical analogies in their argument about which side is responsible for the deterioration of bilateral relations. In a January 22 speech, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe compared China and Japan today to Germany and Britain on the eve of Second World War. Some Chinese newspapers reciprocated by likening Abe to Hitler and contrasting Germany’s recognition of its historical wrongs with Japan’s apparent lack of remorse for its wartime atrocities. And Xi Jinping’s March 28 visit to Germany, part of his first European tour as China’s president, was supposed to include a trip to the Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe — a not-so-subtle slap to Tokyo and one that Berlin rightly nixed.

As both sides scour through the historical record to prove each other wrong, they are ignoring their own recent past: For years after normalisation of Sino-Japanese relations in 1972, the two countries worked closely together. Japan played an essential role in China’s modernisation, supplying government assistance for the development of ports, railways, electric power, water supplies and telecommunications. Japan’s aid to China in the 1980s — $649 million (Dh2.38 billion) on average annually between 1982 and 1989 — dwarfed that of the rest of the G7 combined. And for its part, Beijing was less concerned with Japan’s past wrongdoings than with forging closer economic and political ties.

One interesting feature of the Sino-Japanese relationship in the 1980s was the intensity and the intimacy of the political dialogue, reflected in the frequency of summits, which happened roughly annually from the late 1970s. (There hasn’t been a Sino-Japanese summit since 2008). One such summit took place exactly 30 years ago, when Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone visited Beijing for talks with Chinese policymakers, including paramount leader Deng Xiaoping. Records of this trip — published for the first time in the Digital Archive of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars’ Cold War International History Project — make for striking reading, so different are they from the sea of bitterness that engulfs the Sino-Japanese relationship today.

After coming to power in the late 1970s, Deng promised the Japanese that he would “let bygones be bygones.” His commitment to developing close relations with Tokyo ushered in the golden age of Sino-Japanese cooperation. When Deng and Nakasone met in March 1984, they stayed clear of memories of war. And they did not mention any of the poisons of Sino-Japanese relations — Japanese textbooks that the Chinese believed whitewashed memories of the war, or ownership of the disputed Senkakus in the East China Sea, islands administered by Japan but claimed by China, which calls them the Diaoyu.

Instead, Deng and Nakasone turned their attention to the big picture. Japan and China, Deng said, needed to look “further, longer, and wider” in developing relations into the 21st century. This was “more important than all other issues.” Nakasone told his Chinese counterparts that better relations between Japan and China would both “stabilise the Asia-Pacific region” and become “a powerful pillar for world peace.” The two neighbours, Nakasone argued, “have many reasons to cooperate and no reasons to clash.”

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The summit provided an occasion for discussions on regional issues, none more important than stability on the Korean Peninsula. Then, as now, Pyongyang held its neighbours in suspense by engaging in provocations like assassinating three senior South Korean politicians and 18 others in Burma. The Chinese, while claiming limited influence with the North Korean regime, recognised their “obligation” to encourage a dialogue between Pyongyang and other players, including the Japanese.

This dialogue did not lead to any immediate results, but it helped improve the general climate in Northeast Asia, making possible such later developments as China’s 1992 rapprochement with South Korea. And its existence was a sign of mutual trust between the two sides. “We believe it is better to engage in dialogue than not to engage in dialogue,” then Chinese Foreign Minister Wu Xueqian told his Japanese counterpart, Shintaro Abe, who accompanied Nakasone to Beijing. Shintaro Abe, the father of current Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, also spoke about “good faith,” keeping lines of communication open, and “negotiated solutions” to bilateral and regional problems. These were all obvious points, yet the diplomatic bluster evinced by today’s Abe suggests that common sense is not necessarily a hereditary trait.

Nor is the talent for subtle analysis passed from generation to generation. Earlier Chinese leaders objected to Nakasone’s repeated visits to the Yasukuni Shrine, which honours millions of Japanese war dead, including 14 Class A war criminals, but they did not conclude from these visits that Nakasone was a fascist and certainly did not bar him from coming to China, as Beijing did to Abe after his December 2013 appearance at the shrine. Then Premier Zhao Ziyang was careful to distinguish between such “militarist actions” and the general direction of Japan’s foreign policy, a distinction lost on the current generation of Chinese policymakers.

But the Sino-Japanese quarrel has always been as much about domestic politics as about international grievances. In the 1980s, the Chinese Communist Party’s domestic legitimacy was in even greater question than it is today: Runaway inflation, worsening corruption, and skyrocketing crime put the Chinese reformers under a lot of pressure. Yet Deng did not intentionally spoil relations with neighbours to distract from domestic difficulties. Likewise, Nakasone, who presided over a relatively weak faction within the ruling Liberal Democratic Party, had to play a constant balancing game between party stalwarts to keep his premiership afloat. Yet he also conducted a skillful foreign policy, befriending US President Ronald Reagan and British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and pushing for breakthroughs with South Korea, China, and — inconceivably at the time — the Soviet Union.

It is the people who were different, though, not the times. Deng and Nakasone had witnessed firsthand how moral posturing, warmongering and ultimatums can lead nations to ruin. This shared knowledge allowed the two leaders to distinguish statesmanship from politics and see the big picture, an ability that Abe and Xi have conspicuously failed to demonstrate.

In late February, the National People’s Congress, China’s rubber-stamp parliament, proclaimed the establishment of a national day of remembrance for the Nanjing Massacre, which saw Japanese troops slaughter hundreds of thousands of Chinese in late 1937 and early 1938. While remembrance is generally a good thing, this move is more about politics, and amid renewed Sino-Japanese tensions it will only lead to further acrimony. Both sides have abused the memory of the war for political ends and are purposefully forgetting that China and Japan have not always been enemies.

But in 1984, when China and Japan were much closer to each other than today, they looked to the future, not to the past. Rescuing this forgotten age from the clutches of historical amnesia is a step towards ensuring that China’s and Japan’s reciprocal demonisation does not become a self-fulfilling prophesy.



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Records of this trip — published for the first time in the Digital Archive of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars’ Cold War International History Project — make for striking reading,

Can this archive be accessed from online? I haven’t read those records before.
 
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But Japan will not hesitate a second to invade China when China goes into trouble `` it is always being like this throughout known history

No. The only times there was military adventurism when there was a military dictator in power in Japan (1) Hideyoshi Toyotomi, (2) Hideki Tojo. Both of which was when there was absolute military control of society. That is not the case now in Democratic, Modern Japan.

Please put aside fears and wanton paranoia. The Japan you are so 'suspicious' of does not exist anymore. We live in modern days now, the days of Shoguns, Samurai, Ninja and Expansionism is long gone. Saying it exists is absurd as me saying Cowboys and Indians still war with each other as in American Western movies.




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Great Read,
Wonderful job @Nihonjin1051

When China is strong, we will be friends,

But Japan will not hesitate a second to invade China when China goes into trouble `` it is always being like this throughout known history

What about the 1984 and the subsequent years,
China Still was emerging back then but Japan was rather warming its relations with you guys.
 
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From my experience with dealing with people and relationships, a good way to gauge a persons worth and quality of character is to see how the person behaves when he/she is going through a tough time in life. Does the person remain virtuous or succumbs to thuggery and pettiness?

An even better way to test for good character is to see how a person behaves with success and power. Does he/she start to look down on others? get pretentious and domineering?

I know of humble but successful people and also successful but ugly (on the inside) people.

Japan failed the second test big time during the 20th century and Asia paid the price in human lives and suffering. Power and success brought about a nasty character that cannot be seen when the nation was poorer.

In the future will a stronger and successful China inflict suffering on neighboring countries? We can only project based on past experiences. The Tang, Han and Ming dynasties were extremely powerful relative to neighboring powers but widespread slaughter and genocide of other cultures were limited. The Ming fleet under Admiral Zheng He was the most powerful in the world and all they did was parade and fcuk around for other civilizations to look at Chinese splendor.

Chinese killing Chinese is another story altogether though. We love to war with other Chinese for some reason and top the charts for casualties of war - a past time I hope ended in 1949.

Great Read,
Wonderful job @Nihonjin1051



What about the 1984 and the subsequent years,
China Still was emerging back then but Japan was rather warming its relations with you guys.

Hey max, when in Max payne 4 comming out? The previous 3 were all brilliant.
 
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From my experience with dealing with people and relationships, a good way to gauge a persons worth and quality of character is to see how the person behaves when he/she is going through a tough time in life. Does the person remain virtuous or succumbs to thuggery and pettiness?

An even better way to test for good character is to see how a person behaves with success and power. Does he/she start to look down on others? get pretentious and domineering?

I know of humble but successful people and also successful but ugly (on the inside) people.

Japan failed the second test big time during the 20th century and Asia paid the price in human lives and suffering. Power and success brought about a nasty character that cannot be seen when the nation was poorer.

In the future will a stronger and successful China inflict suffering on neighboring countries? We can only project based on past experiences. The Tang, Han and Ming dynasties were extremely powerful relative to neighboring powers but widespread slaughter and genocide of other cultures were limited. The Ming fleet under Admiral Zheng He was the most powerful in the world and all they did was parade and fcuk around for other civilizations to look at Chinese splendor.

Chinese killing Chinese is another story altogether though. We love to war with other Chinese for some reason and top the charts for casualties of war - a past time I hope ended in 1949.



Hey max, when in Max payne 4 comming out? The previous 3 were all brilliant.


Lol I remember in school Days I played Max Payne 2, Probably my Favorite then but I was so depressed from that ending that I didnt play Max Payne 3 again.during those days it had the best plot.
Im thinking I should now,

Secondly what youre saying has a lot of mention of previous experiences and your analogy may be true in one case and not so true in another case,
I believe Japan became the 2nd largest economy in the world after USA in 1950,
They recovered well but still they mended their ways with you. in 80s like they mentioned, China was developing and Japan excelled in automobiles and electronices.
there really was no match but still they tried to cooperate.

lets just hope for the best
may both the nations prosper.
Ive read about Nanjing Massacre and I was horrified, I understand its very hard to let go off such painful experiences.
 
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From my experience with dealing with people and relationships, a good way to gauge a persons worth and quality of character is to see how the person behaves when he/she is going through a tough time in life. Does the person remain virtuous or succumbs to thuggery and pettiness?

An even better way to test for good character is to see how a person behaves with success and power. Does he/she start to look down on others? get pretentious and domineering?

I know of humble but successful people and also successful but ugly (on the inside) people.

Japan failed the second test big time during the 20th century and Asia paid the price in human lives and suffering. Power and success brought about a nasty character that cannot be seen when the nation was poorer.

In the future will a stronger and successful China inflict suffering on neighboring countries? We can only project based on past experiences. The Tang, Han and Ming dynasties were extremely powerful relative to neighboring powers but widespread slaughter and genocide of other cultures were limited. The Ming fleet under Admiral Zheng He was the most powerful in the world and all they did was parade and fcuk around for other civilizations to look at Chinese splendor.

Chinese killing Chinese is another story altogether though. We love to war with other Chinese for some reason and top the charts for casualties of war - a past time I hope ended in 1949.



Hey max, when in Max payne 4 comming out? The previous 3 were all brilliant.
Very well said, I believe people can learn from their mistakes but so far I do not see that in current Abe's govt. By reading Nihonjin1051's post, I can still see hope between China and Japan.
 
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Not before Japanese stop paying respect to war criminals. Based on the current situation, I don't think Japan wants to be friendly with China.
 
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Respect the result of WWII, forget casting covetous eyes on Diaoyu islands, Kuril islands and Dokdo, give independence to Kyukyu. Then, lead your peaceful life forever.
 
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Coming to the wartime history issue, China has appreciated Japan's previous efforts in acknowledging and apologising for its atrocities, such as the Murayama Statement, and still does.

@Nihonjin1051 Frankly, I am tired of reading the widespread notion that the Chinese people and the CPC still resent Japan in an irrational manner without considering to forgive the latter. As a supporter of East Asian integration just as @TaiShang I do believe that the disagreements with history as well as disputed territories will eventually become a matter of the past.

Not only business can keep Zhongguo and Riben together.
 
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Coming to the wartime history issue, China has appreciated Japan's previous efforts in acknowledging and apologising for its atrocities, such as the Murayama Statement, and still does.

@Nihonjin1051 Frankly, I am tired of reading the widespread notion that the Chinese people and the CPC still resent Japan in an irrational manner without considering to forgive the latter. As a supporter of East Asian integration just as @TaiShang I do believe that the disagreements with history as well as disputed territories will eventually become a matter of the past.

Not only business can keep Zhongguo and Riben together.

Too young too simple. :usflag:
 
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I am extremely disgusted by the revisionists, right wings who are still denying their atrocities like the "Massacre of Nanjing"; who are still calling the victimized comfort women as "whores"; who have failed to admit their lethal, inhuman experiments on live humans in laboratory which was known as "Unit 731"; who ,on grand scale holding of annual ceremonies, want the world to know how they have suffered during the bombs attacks on their own territory while downplaying the way they have ravaged and destroyed mercilessly the lives of tens of millions principally in many parts Asia, and majority of whom, the victims, in China; who have claimed the the grandiose slogan of "Pan Asianism" through liberating the colonised people in the region by dispicable ways of brutal military invasions and replacement of the western colonialism with their version of control, pilferage and slavery .. and in modern times a japan which is still clinging on the islands which do not belong to them in defiance of solemn Declarations; regularly paying tributes to war criminals on high profile; advocating for the independence or separation from us the dissenting peoples in our Family; by going to the pole which is opposite to the direction of our core policies .. and by re-peating the glorification of their old days - the spirit of imperial japan while we are asleep:

https://defence.pk/threads/yamato-damashi-大和魂-the-japanese-spirit.419552/
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Coming to the wartime history issue, China has appreciated Japan's previous efforts in acknowledging and apologising for its atrocities, such as the Murayama Statement, and still does.

@Nihonjin1051 Frankly, I am tired of reading the widespread notion that the Chinese people and the CPC still resent Japan in an irrational manner without considering to forgive the latter. As a supporter of East Asian integration just as @TaiShang I do believe that the disagreements with history as well as disputed territories will eventually become a matter of the past.

Not only business can keep Zhongguo and Riben together.

Thanks bro ! You're definitely a friend of Japan, and a true Chinese Pragmatist, the spirit of Lao Tzu and Kong Zi lives in enlightened men like you and Shotgunner and Taishang. I suppose we all must rise above petty differences and tool to prevent integration of Greater East Asia.

Remember the division of East Asia serves only one : The Western Powers.

Not before Japanese stop paying respect to war criminals. Based on the current situation, I don't think Japan wants to be friendly with China.

If it is the war criminals that offends, then i agree that they should be disinterred and their names moved to another area, outside of Yasukuni. Perhaps a formal state apology is necessary. Lastly, I think the Emperor should visit China again. It had been since 1992 since his last visit. I think it is necessary now.
 
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Great Read,
Wonderful job @Nihonjin1051



What about the 1984 and the subsequent years,
China Still was emerging back then but Japan was rather warming its relations with you guys.
they were subjected to the U.S foreign policy, China and U.S was under a good term at that time``
 
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