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When Ayub Khan Accused Fatima Jinnah Of Being An Indian And American Agent

Every thing will come only Umair Siddiqi alone has accepted murdering 120 people and Ajmal Pahari more than 200 and Saluat Mirza around 50 and there are hundreds more who each have killed several and several
Well if they ever take you in remand for even 48 hours, you will accept that you have murdered 20-40 people, third degree torture and enhanced interrogation techniques and mafia like behavior by police isn't unknown, therefore that is no argument. I would love to see the law enforcers prove these cases in a court of law rather than media.

Maybe their is truth to them being Indian agents
The courts are open, what won't be allowed is a public servant handing out certificates of patriotism and treason.
 
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If they take you in remand for even 48 hours, you will accept that you have murdered 20-40 people, that is no argument. I would love to see the law enforcers prove these cases in a court of law rather than media.
Mr even with that you maximum accept 10 murders not more than 100 and also than you don't know the exact detail which they did but I can understan your pain because a secular party is exposed as one of the biggest criminal and terrorist party
 
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Mr even with that you maximum accept 10 murders not more than 100 and also than you don't know the exact detail which they did but I can understan your pain because a secular party is exposed as one of the biggest criminal and terrorist party
How exactly are you deducing that? I mean the minimum/maximum of what a person will accept under torture :D

P. S The daily body count in Karachi is refusing to come to even less than eight-ten. So pardon me, if I dont believe the bogus claims of "pachas-so-dedh so afrad ka qatil" drama being played out daily.
 
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If they take you in remand for even 48 hours, you will accept that you have murdered 20-40 people, third degree torture and enhanced interrogation r techniques and mafia like behavior by police isn't unknown, therefore that is no argument. I would love to see the law enforcers prove these cases in a court of law rather than media.


The courts are open, what won't be allowed is a public servant handing out certificates of patriotism and treason.
Yes and people like you would have jumped up and down if those target killers and bhatta khors would have been students of some madrassah instead of mqm. A terrorist is a terrorist , it does not matter if he follows some religious cleric or some quaid e tahrik hippopotamus
 
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[QTUOTE="Secur, post: 7101106, member: 132526"]How exactly are you deducing that? I mean the minimum/maximum of what a person will accept under torture :D

P. S The daily body count in Karachi is refusing to come to even less than eight ht-ten. So pardon me, if I dont believe the bogus claims of "pachas-so-dedh so afrad ka qatil" drama being played out daily.[/QUOTE]
TTP appologizers can give the same excuses about military courts and such stuff. The world has moved ahead of racism and we still have people supporting a racist gang which calls itself a political party.
 
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Yes and people like you would have jumped up and down if those target killers and bhatta khors would have been students of some madrassah instead of mqm. A terrorist is a terrorist , it does not matter if he follows some religious cleric or some quaid e tahrik hippopotamus
Not exactly. However a political party is different than known terrorist entities, learn to atleast keep that in mind. A terrorist is a terrorist, sure, but lets prove it first. MQM does have a militant wing like every other political party and there are elements within party involved in criminal activities however that doesn't make the third-fourth largest political party terrorist as a whole.

TTP appologizers can give the same excuses about military courts and such stuff. The world has moved ahead of racism and we still have people supporting a racist gang which calls itself a political party.
No, they can't. Law and order in general has improved vastly since operation in North Waziristan. This isn't exactly support, just leveling the playing field and reminding people of the past allegations and RAW/Indian agent dramas. Nothing new there, it appears.

Please don't go in the racist party part, that apart from being outside the scope of the thread also happens to be hypocritical. Politics in Pakistan is done on the basis of race and people call themselves Punjabi Sindhi Balochi Pathan rather than Pakistani first. All political parties have a particular affiliation with each one of them. Why ask us alone to drop the Muhajir tag seriously?
 
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Mostly it were DCs and ACs who launched the campaign. You must contact/consult Roedad Khan for more insight as he was comissioner of Karachi. And Fatimah Jinnah won from karachi too...
 
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November 26th, 2009 | 50
This story is from the Time Magazine datelined Christmas Day 1964. It sheds interesting light on how far back this game of the security establishment conjuring up images of US-India collusion go. Ayub Khan actually accused Fatima Jinnah of being pro-Indian and pro-American. Oldest trick in the security establishment’s book. -YLH

“They call her the Mother of the Nation,” sniffed Pakistan’s President Mohammed Ayub Khan. “Then she should at least behave like a mother.” What upset Ayub was that Fatima Jinnah looked so good in pants. The more she upbraided Ayub, the louder Pakistanis cheered the frail figure in her shalwar (baggy white silk trousers). By last week, with Pakistan’s first presidential election only a fortnight away, opposition to Ayub had reached a pitch unequaled in his six years of autocratic rule.

The Big Stick. White-haired Miss Jinnah, 71, the candidate of five ragtag and usually disunited opposition parties, was picked mainly because she was the sister and confidante of the late revered Mohammed Ali Jinnah, father of his nation’s independence. But Pakistan’s response to her razor-tongued attacks on Ayub’s highhanded ways has surprised and shocked the government. Students throughout the nation staged angry protest marches against the regime, and at least one demonstrator was killed by police in Karachi. DOWN WITH THE AYUB DICTATORSHIP, cried posters in the East Pakistan city of Dacca, where students enthusiastically proclaimed Miss Fatima Jinnah Week. In Karachi, Pakistan’s biggest city, student unrest prompted the government to close all the schools indefinitely.

Most legal groups in Pakistan have come out for Miss Jinnah, and were denounced by Ayub as “mischiefmongers.” In reply, the Karachi Bar Association overwhelmingly adopted a resolution urging “the party in power to get rid of the notion that wisdom, righteousness and patriotism are the monopoly of their yes men.” The usually complaisant newspaper editors defied the regime’s attempts to make them endorse a restrictive new press law.

To Ayub’s claim that he is trying to develop “basic democracy,” Miss Jinnah replied: “What sort of democracy is that? One man’s democracy? Fifty persons’ democracy?” As for Ayub’s charge that the country would revert to chaos if he is defeated, his rival snapped: “You can’t have stability through compulsion, force and the big stick.”

Running Scared. Actually, Ayub has been a reluctant and benevolent dictator, who has vastly improved the stability of a country that was paralyzed by squabbling politicians before he took over. Considering Pakistan’s backwardness and poverty, the Ayub-designed electoral system is not half bad, giving the vote to 80,000 middle-and upper-class electors. While that is a tiny percentage in a total population of 110 million, most of those millions are not only illiterate but totally ignorant of political issues. With heavy support in rural areas, where many Moslem electors particularly disapprove of a woman’s candidacy and where Ayub’s economic reforms have helped more than in the cities, Ayub is still expected to win the election by some 60% of the vote.

Nonetheless, he is running scared, because Candidate Jinnah has managed to focus every form of discontent in the country. To brake her bandwagon, he abruptly decreed that elections would be held Jan. 2, instead of March, as originally scheduled. Explaining lamely that the situation is “a little tense,” the government also rescinded a law specifying that political rallies must be open to the public.

At closed meetings with groups of electors, Ayub answered practical questions sensibly enough, but kept lashing out at the opposition with growing anger. Countering Miss Jinnah’s repeated charge that he had been unable to restrain the U.S. from helping Pakistan’s No. 1 adversary, India, he set out to portray her as pro-Indian and pro-American. Ayub’s campaign, in fact, was turning increasingly anti-American.

Though U.S. aid (about $5 billion since 1951) is vital to the nation’s wretched economy, a leading member of Ayub’s party cried: “America never was our friend and never could be, because as a nation aligned with the anticolonial movements, we are at cross-purposes with America.” As for Ayub, he plainly regretted ever calling elections in the first place. For after six years of insisting that Pakistanis were not ready for democracy, the campaign had shown that Mohammed Ayub Khan probably isn’t either.

When Ayub Khan Accused Fatima Jinnah Of Being An Indian And American Agent | Pak Tea House

Old but gives an insight into the oldest trick in the establishment's playbook.


I love and adore the role of Fatima Jinnah (FJ) as she helped our founder throughout his life.

However if I was around FJ, I'd have brought her in politics in 1949 when she was relatively young. At that time she would have been a great stabilizing force. But she wasted all that time and let Pakistani politicians destroy our institutions during those early years.

But the politicians like Liaqat Ali Khan (LAK) and Doltana never wanted to give her top position.

Her entry in Politics against Gen. Ayub was ill-timed and her stance against him was bad.

She was too old back then and would not have made much difference when it came to stability in the country.

Peace

@Secur, she could not be a politician AND mother of nation.

politics is a dirty business, and one should step in it, knowing full well the possibility of accusations and attacks on personal character.

I'd also urge you not to compare what MQM is doing now with the role of Fatima Jinnah. Thank you.
 
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lets not dig the old graves. what happened, happened. those people are not in this world anymore, Let Allah be their judge. May Allah have mercy on them and all of us.
 
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What forces? When are they going to be released to the courts?
Raheel will try the
Not exactly. However a political party is different than known terrorist entities, learn to atleast keep that in mind. A terrorist is a terrorist, sure, but lets prove it first. MQM does have a militant wing like every other political party and there are elements within party involved in criminal activities however that doesn't make the third-fourth largest political party terrorist as a whole.


No, they can't. Law and order in general has improved vastly since operation in North Waziristan. This isn't exactly support, just leveling the playing field and reminding people of the past allegations and RAW/Indian agent dramas. Nothing new there, it appears.

Please don't go in the racist party part, that apart from being outside the scope of the thread also happens to be hypocritical. Politics in Pakistan is done on the basis of race and people call themselves Punjabi Sindhi Balochi Pathan rather than Pakistani first. All political parties have a particular affiliation with each one of them. Why ask us alone to drop the Muhajir tag seriously?
Your first part of post says prove against mqm, well you can't even prove a thing against Malik Ishaq in Pakistani courts could you? In the game of laws and politics, you cannot do a thing like that against a political party. I agree with the second part of your post not completely though. The discussion is going off topic.
 
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Show the evidence. Saying that forces have this and that is not going to cut it.
He can claim prophethood and not need to show evidence.

Nothing new in history. This country was never knew and the racist attitudes of the usual suspects here show that it perhaps is best to let it burn away and break up.
 
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He can claim prophethood and not need to show evidence.

Nothing new in history. This country was never knew and the racist attitudes of the usual suspects here show that it perhaps is best to let it burn away and break up.
the way common Pakistanis ( my guess strictly) love army .. i think if mr Jinna was removed from his post by some Army general when he was alive ..public support would have been with that Army general.!
 
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the way common Pakistanis ( my guess strictly) love army .. i think if mr Jinna was removed from his post by some Army general when he was alive ..public support would have been with that Army general.!
Seems to be as well. After all, Jinnah these days is addressed by certain quarters taking a bribe as "Fatima ke Bhai".. Since his face adornes our currency, and asking for it directly would be too open.
 
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