What's Wrong with this approach for peace.

[PeaceGen]

Most muslims are fine ppl, esp the ones here in .NL, coz they seek secularism and economic opportunity over the activity of imposing social rules on other cultures by force.

 

[Manvantaratruti]

Most muslims are fine ppl, esp the ones here in .NL, coz they seek secularism and economic opportunity over the activity of imposing social rules on other cultures by force.

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%

Australia -- Muslim 1.5%

Canada -- Muslim 1.9%

China -- Muslim 1.8%

Italy -- Muslim 1.5%

Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.

This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%

Germany -- Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%

Spain -- Muslim 4%

Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for

Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%

Philippines -- 5%

Sweden -- Muslim 5%

Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%

India -- Muslim 13.4%

Israel -- Muslim 16%

Kenya -- Muslim 10%

Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%

Chad -- Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and ***ya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%

Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%

Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%

Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%

Egypt -- Muslim 90%

Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%

Iran -- Muslim 98%

Iraq -- Muslim 97%

Jordan -- Muslim 92%

Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan -- Muslim 97%

Palestine -- Muslim 99%

Syria -- Muslim 90%

Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%

Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%

Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%

Somalia -- Muslim 100%

Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

^^^ I've seen that theory before.

So, Manvantaratruti... How do you propose to solve the problem above?

 

[Manvantaratruti]

^^^ I've seen that theory before.

So, Manvantaratruti... How do you propose to solve the problem above?

The chinese have already found a partial solution to that problem.

What do you call it ? Re-education ?

In any case the only practical solution to this problem is to first dilute their faith and then reconvert them to anything less destructive, like communism, Dharmic religion, Scientology etc.

Its either that, or you kill them in war. LOL.

However it is most important that you never let them reach 20% of population at any time. That is Critical Mass and after that it is impossible to control.

 

[PeaceGen]

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for

Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%

Philippines -- 5%

Sweden -- Muslim 5%

Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

Well, lets 1st comment on what's going on in Holland;

Halal meat? Yea, muslims run halal butcheries and halal foodstalls here, but it's the jews who butcher animals in the same way (no annesthetics (electrical shock!)) that see to it the Dutch government doesnt ban halal-style butchering because it's inhumane to animals. And also nice to note that white Dutch frequent those halal foodstalls coz it's tasty meat at a decent price

Inordinate influence of muslims? Not at all. I gotta pay attention to see that whites dont discriminate the muslims on my hometurf too much.

Sharia rule in NL? The muslim advocacy group for that has less than a few dozen members in all of NL.

Then, about countries with majority muslim populations: yes, muslims gotta start accepting the right to self-determination of other (sub-)cultures, in those areas. They'll learn after enough defeats I guess.

 

[Manvantaratruti]

Well, lets 1st comment on what's going on in Holland;

Halal meat? Yea, muslims run halal butcheries and halal foodstalls here, but it's the jews who butcher animals in the same way (no annesthetics (electrical shock!)) that see to it the Dutch government doesnt ban halal-style butchering because it's inhumane to animals. And also nice to note that white Dutch frequent those halal foodstalls coz it's tasty meat at a decent price

Inordinate influence of muslims? Not at all. I gotta pay attention to see that whites dont discriminate the muslims on my hometurf too much.

Sharia rule in NL? The muslim advocacy group for that has less than a few dozen members in all of NL.

Then, about countries with majority muslim populations: yes, muslims gotta start accepting the right to self-determination of other (sub-)cultures, in those areas. They'll learn after enough defeats I guess.

Muslim population in Netherlander is 4.5% so the relevant portion of the post would be,

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.

Tell me that is not true.

I wonder why you misrepresented facts on purpose. LOL. Anyway its your funeral.

Lets have this talk again when the muslim population become 6 %

 

[Biplab Bijay]

We (non-Muslims) and our Muslim brother have been fighting with each other for decades if not centuries. I wish to propose a permanent solution to all problems including terrorism and our war against each other.

I don’t see why we can't apply this non-violent solution for permanent peace between Muslims and non-Muslims.

· Why don’t we divide the world between Islamic and non-Islamic world.

· Ask all non-Muslims to move out Islamic world. They could be resettled in the non-Muslims word.For example jews would move out of ME and Indians out of Kashmir.

· Similarly, ask all the Muslims to move to Islamic world. So all the Muslims from America, Europe and India can move to ME, Pakistan and Indonesia.

· The two sections of the world would remain completely isolated from each other with no trade, or any form of communication between each other.

· Muslims can freely apply Sharia or any form of law they deem fit in their land and so do we.

· Every year each side spends trillions of dollars to safeguard from each other that money can be spent on solving problems in our community (like Petrol or Natural Gas for us and weapons, medical research for Muslim world) .

· As we will never come in any form of contact with each other we will never fight ever again.

What you all think of this peaceful solution.

You really dont know why it cant happen ?

 

[Biplab Bijay]

problem will not stop there. Among non muslim there are many faiths which have their own differences. They need to be separated.
Among muslim themselves, there are sectarian divisions. Once you get your own 100% muslim state, the sectarian differences will become more prominent (they will become primary identity) and you will have to divide land again.

There is no war going on between muslim and non muslims. Many muslims support non muslims and vice versa. What is wrong in finding a way to live together.

No mydear. According to some religion entire world has to be converted or this fight will continue. you got my point dear ?

 

[PeaceGen]

Muslim population in Netherlander is 4.5% so the relevant portion of the post would be,

Hey, I just quoted your original post dude. Now you wanna change it, demonizing nerd?

Tell me that is not true.

It aint. Really.

I wonder why you misrepresented facts on purpose. LOL. Anyway its your funeral.

Lets have this talk again when the muslim population become 6 %

my funeral??? hahaha. looks like ur the one digging graves and then jumping in 'm yourself here mr know it all.

 

[Manvantaratruti]

Hey, I just quoted your original post dude. Now you wanna change it, demonizing nerd?

Oops a bit of a mix up . Holland has 4.5 % muslims.

In any case you have confirmed that muslims have demanded Halal stores which is what my original claim was.

http://muslimvillage.com/2012/06/22/24213/dutch-government-rejects-ban-halalkosher-slaughter/

The Dutch upper house, the Senate, this week rejected a bill that would have banned the ritual slaughter of animals and had been criticized by both Muslim and Jewish groups.

The bill, proposed by the small Party for the Animals, stipulates that livestock must be stunned before being slaughtered, contrary to Muslim halal and Jewish kosher laws, which require animals to be conscious.

The lower house of parliament passed the bill a year ago, leaving a loophole saying religious groups could continue ritual slaughter if they proved it was no more painful than other methods of slaughter.

Earlier this month, the Dutch government and the Jewish and Muslim communities in the Netherlands reached an agreement that asserted that animals could continue to be ritually slaughtered as long as they lost consciousness within 40 seconds of their throats being cut. After that period they would have to be stunned.

But the Senate rejected the bill on Tuesday by 51 votes to 21, meaning it cannot become law.

Dutch Muslims, mostly of Turkish and Moroccan origin, had complained they felt stigmatized by the measure.

European Union regulations require animals to be stunned before slaughter but allow exceptions for ritual slaughter, which the European Court of Human Rights has ruled is a religious right.

The Rabbinical Center of Europe (RCE) lauded the decision by the Upper House of the Dutch Parliament.

Rabbi Binyomin Jacobs, a prominent member of RCE and chief rabbi of the Inter-Provincial Rabbinate in Holland, expressed satisfaction after the vote. “The vote in the Dutch Senate is a victory for tolerance and common sense,” said the rabbi, who played a prominent role in the agreement.

 

[PeaceGen]

Oops a bit of a mix up . Holland has 4.5 % muslims.

In any case you have confirmed that muslims have demanded Halal stores which is what my original claim was.

http://muslimvillage.com/2012/06/22/24213/dutch-government-rejects-ban-halalkosher-slaughter/

Here groups can 'demand' things from the government in the newspaper, but all they can really do is politely lobby the government. And it was without a doubt the jews that kept the law as it was.