Whats Wrong with ISPR Press release emphasizing "BETTER GOVERNANCE" from Political Leadership

[Slav Defence]

Sir, my question is the basic foundation that needs to be established before we can analyze how the situation developed in the first place.

That should not be the question,nor it is the question,that should be the statement!

regards

 

[VCheng]

That should not be the question,nor it is the question,that should be the statement!

regards

So can we agree that the PM is the superior authority and the COAS is the subservient officer, by law?

 

[Slav Defence]

So can we agree that the PM is the superior authority and the COAS is the subservient officer, by law?

So we can agree that Nawaz Sharif's methodology was illegal?
So we can agree that ministers and president don't do conspiracy to kill chief of army staff?
So we can agree that Sharif's action were criminal and illegal?


regards

 

[Humble Analyst]

As if the Army has a better moral compass? It does not.

Yes Army has loyalty and sincerety to the country and that is the main part of my judgement of intentions.

 

[Vyom]

Sir, my question is the basic foundation that needs to be established before we can analyze how the situation developed in the first place.

He si asking for the Rules of Business and the Chain of Commands in Government..Shouldn't be that hard. if at all it is there in the constitution.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Trying to justify illegal actions by the Army will always remain wrong, Sir.

Do not hide behind constitution, management of strong subordinates is not easy and PM should have learned it, but how can he because he is an idiot picked as PM by dishonest people of Pakistan to continue the dishonest culture. White house has moral authority, PM Nawaz does not.

 

[VCheng]

So we can agree that Nawaz Sharif's methodology was illegal?
So we can agree that ministers and president don't do conspiracy to kill chief of army staff?
So we can agree that Sharif's action were criminal and illegal?


regards

Let us not jump prematurely Sir.

If the PM is the legal and superior authority, then can we agree that the decision to appoint a new COAS on Oct 12 was a valid exercise of authority by the PM? The General's choice to disobey that legal order was the first step to mutiny.

 

[Humble Analyst]

There is nothing wrong in this statement.

But sadly, 90% of these politicians were created at some point of time by the very own establishment who criticizes them.

May be thats why they are still polite to nawaz shareef by simply asking this criminal to focus on 'better governance'.

Another excuse to put blame on Army, all the feudal lords were created by British and most of their heirs are in power so the actual boot lickers were the parents of currently in power feudal lords, truth hurts.

 

[VCheng]

Yes Army has loyalty and sincerety to the country and that is the main part of my judgement of intentions.

I respect and agree with the fact that the Army's loyalty and sincerity to the country is not in doubt. However, that does not give it any authority to engage in illegal acts.

 

[Slav Defence]

Let us not jump prematurely Sir.

If the PM is the legal and superior authority, then can we agree that the decision to appoint a new COAS on Oct 12 was a valid exercise of authority by the PM? The General's choice to disobey that legal order was the first step to mutiny.

I ask you again,respected sir that why he wasn't allowed to land on ground?He and other important officers were Pakistan's asset and no way on earth does the president or prime minister of Pakistan holds the right to let army chief to flank like that,especially when they were only left for fuel for seven minutes damn it,what is so difficult,am I talking to you in Chinese,Japanese or sindhi?
Posting up a random pic,posting negative remarks against army,that is too immature and I wasn't expecting it from a person of as good calibre as you sir.
You truly disappointed me today.
Criticism is good but it must be only done when needed.

regards

 

[VCheng]

I ask you again,respected sir that why he wasn't allowed to land on ground?He and other important officers were Pakistan's asset and no way on earth does the president or prime minister of Pakistan holds the right to let army chief to flank like that,especially when they were only left for fuel for seven minutes damn it,what is so difficult,am I talking to you in Chinese,Japanese or sindhi?
Posting up a random pic,posting negative remarks against army,that is too immature and I wasn't expecting it from a person of as good calibre as you sir.
You truly disappointed me today.
Criticism is good but it must be only done when needed.

regards

Sir, let us talk about the events in sequence. The first step is to establish whether the decision to appoint a new COAS by the PM, before the General got on the plane, was a valid and legally binding decision.

 

[Paksanity]

Such advice is given through private channels and in private, following due process in the chain of command as specified by Rules and Laws.

Private channels? It was announced and well publicised in NAP. Progress is for all to see. Apparently you fully support terrorism to go on in Pakistan because only hurdle which is evident to everyone is that civillian government is refusing to take up its responsibility to govern an area of Pakistan and you are fully in favour of this. Tell us, is it because your soldiers chickened out in Afghanistan and it will give you pleasure to Se our soldiers fail too?

Please make up your mind. You favour military rule or civillian rule? Because here we have military urging to transfer control to civillians and for some inexplicable reason you seem to dislike it.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Let us not jump prematurely Sir.

If the PM is the legal and superior authority, then can we agree that the decision to appoint a new COAS on Oct 12 was a valid exercise of authority by the PM? The General's choice to disobey that legal order was the first step to mutiny.

Without any prior discussion dismiss him, seems very sneaky. He could not work with Kakar, Asif Nawaz, Jehangir Karamat, Musharf, Cheif Justice, Ghulam Ishaq, Leghari, Chaudry Shujaat and many more. There is aproblem with Nawaz and he doesnot know how to use his authority. Is there something called good governace? Or you will hide behind that paper called constitution written by feudal lords?

 

[VCheng]

Private channels? It was announced and well publicised in NAP. Progress is for all to see. Apparently you fully support terrorism to go on in Pakistan because only hurdle which is evident to everyone is that civillian government is refusing to take up its responsibility to govern an area of Pakistan and you are fully in favour of this. Tell us, is it because your soldiers chickened out in Afghanistan and it will give you pleasure to Se our soldiers fail too?

Please make up your mind. You favour military rule or civillian rule? Because here we have military urging to transfer control to civillians and for some inexplicable reason you seem to dislike it.

The workings of the Parliament are public. The advice of the Army is not.

 

[Slav Defence]

Sir, let us talk about the events in sequence. The first step is to establish whether the decision to appoint a new COAS by the PM, before the General got on the plane, was a valid and legally binding decision.

Ofcourse it was legal and I am no way on earth denying that,but don't you agree that preventing army chief to land on ground is legal,when patrol was especially about to end?

regards