What's in your Gun Locker?

[Abu Zolfiqar]

nothing !!

gun possession is only legal for important figures in iran .

but for the sake of conversation , my uncle have got an iranian version of this :

P226 , with laser designator

private citizens cant get firearms license there?

 

[haman10]

private citizens cant get firearms license there?

They can , but it needs a legal investigation and some other stuff .

Basically u need to gain the trust of a judge .

The guns cannot be assault rifles

 

[Icarus]

Which kind Assault Rifle or Sub Machine I can get lelgally in Pakistan ? @Aeronaut @Oscar @Luftwaffe @Icarus and others

I'd prefer you get no Assault Rifle or SMG. Why would you even want it?

 

[Zarvan]

I'd prefer you get no Assault Rifle or SMG. Why would you even want it?

I will get it please tell the process

 

[Contrarian]

I'd prefer you get no Assault Rifle or SMG. Why would you even want it?

Icarus, do your own country a favour and dont tell a known terrorist/sympathizer how to get his hands on weapons.

 

[Icarus]

I will get it please tell the process

You certainly won't get it like that. You need to declare your purpose and if your area's commissioner considers your reasons valid, he will apply for prime-minister's permission.

Icarus, do your own country a favour and dont tell a known terrorist/sympathizer how to get his hands on weapons.

Its near impossible for him to procure a legal weapon, if he prefers illegal, it's near impossible to prevent him from getting one. Such is the paradox of Pakistani society.

 

[Sage]

Tisas Zigana, CF-98, Colt 1911, TT-30, Double Barrel Birmingham, Cobra Shot Gun and one AK-74

 

[Contrarian]

Its near impossible for him to procure a legal weapon, if he prefers illegal, it's near impossible to prevent him from getting one. Such is the paradox of Pakistani society.

Your Government needs to put the highest priority into curbing the easy availability of weapons in Pakistan. Close down the illegal factories, darra, etc.

Its literally astonishing that you have one of the most militarized societies in the world and your Govt and Army are not doing anything to stop it. It has cost you too much in my opinion, far too much.

 

[Icarus]

Your Government needs to put the highest priority into curbing the easy availability of weapons in Pakistan. Close down the illegal factories, darra, etc.

Its literally astonishing that you have one of the most militarized societies in the world and your Govt and Army are not doing anything to stop it. It has cost you too much in my opinion, far too much.

It wasn't always like that, during Bhutto's time, a presidential inquiry was ordered because a student union leader came with a dagger to a demonstration and it triggered a nationwide wave of condemnation, now, student union clashes claim many lives every year.
This is one of the gifts of Zia's reign, before disarming the people, we need to make law enforcement so proactive that the people no longer need weapons for self-defence.

 

[Contrarian]

It wasn't always like that, during Bhutto's time, a presidential inquiry was ordered because a student union leader came with a dagger to a demonstration and it triggered a nationwide wave of condemnation, now, student union clashes claim many lives every year.
This is one of the gifts of Zia's reign, before disarming the people, we need to make law enforcement so proactive that the people no longer need weapons for self-defence.

That is not really true.
I dont know whether Indian police is on an average better than Pakistani police, but by global standards its pretty horrendous. However even with a relatively bad law enforcement India has been insistent on keeping weapons off the streets. Its not that easy to get half quality firearms in India.

The reason is that the injustice a society suffers when regular people have access to firearms is more than the injustice the society has to suffer because of bad law enforcement without firearms. Its still lesser of the two evils.

And frankly, because people have to depend on the police and courts to get justice, they are slowly building pressure on police to perform better. This has been one of the reasons that law enforcement has improved a lot in India in the last decade.

 

[Icarus]

That is not really true.
I dont know whether Indian police is on an average better than Pakistani police, but by global standards its pretty horrendous. However even with a relatively bad law enforcement India has been insistent on keeping weapons off the streets. Its not that easy to get half quality firearms in India.

The reason is that the injustice a society suffers when regular people have access to firearms is more than the injustice the society has to suffer because of bad law enforcement without firearms. Its still lesser of the two evils.

And frankly, because people have to depend on the police and courts to get justice, they are slowly building pressure on police to perform better. This has been one of the reasons that law enforcement has improved a lot in India in the last decade.

Policing in Pakistan is pretty horrible as well and we also have a culture of vendetta which just adds to the mix, I am no exemption, I am a government official but every year I go to my lands and plow the fields with my cousins in a hail of gunfire before my neighbour because we have a land dispute and until it is resolved, local culture states that who-so-ever plows the disputed land first, gets to plant it for that season. While we both take out our tractors and start plowing, family members keep firing at the other party but never directly because the objective is not to kill someone but rather to retain as much land as possible for the season. Some events get out of hand though such as in a friend's case who had his entire family, eleven people in total, murdered by the opposing party, he was an Army officer at the time, the Police wasn't doing much so he resigned and went vigilante, moved back and over the course of 4 years, has killed almost 20 of theirs.
So you understand that de-weaponizing society will be a tough ask.

 

[Contrarian]

Policing in Pakistan is pretty horrible as well and we also have a culture of vendetta which just adds to the mix, I am no exemption, I am a government official but every year I go to my lands and plow the fields with my cousins in a hail of gunfire before my neighbour because we have a land dispute and until it is resolved, local culture states that who-so-ever plows the disputed land first, gets to plant it for that season. While we both take out our tractors and start plowing, family members keep firing at the other party but never directly because the objective is not to kill someone but rather to retain as much land as possible for the season. Some events get out of hand though such as in a friend's case who had his entire family, eleven people in total, murdered by the opposing party, he was an Army officer at the time, the Police wasn't doing much so he resigned and went vigilante, moved back and over the course of 4 years, has killed almost 20 of theirs.
So you understand that de-weaponizing society will be a tough ask.

I see.
This was the situation in UP and Bihar in the 90's. Since 2000 however, there has been steady improvement on such things in India particularly the Indian 'badlands' UP/Bihar.

The reason it got better in UP and Bihar was - the same what you said. The State government of Bihar first improved governance and police capability and then started cracking down on armed groups. Bihar and UP are still practically the worst states in India but they are now better than what they used to be. Bihar especially, not as much in UP. God bless Nitish Kumar.

Though I have to say that this was a major problem only in these states. And they have the highest availability of illegal guns.

 

[Informant]

I see.
This was the situation in UP and Bihar in the 90's. Since 2000 however, there has been steady improvement on such things in India particularly the Indian 'badlands' UP/Bihar.

The reason it got better in UP and Bihar was - the same what you said. The State government of Bihar first improved governance and police capability and then started cracking down on armed groups. Bihar and UP are still practically the worst states in India but they are now better than what they used to be. Bihar especially, not as much in UP. God bless Nitish Kumar.

Though I have to say that this was a major problem only in these states. And they have the highest availability of illegal guns.

India is by far a very gun free society. This is awesome. And you guys should cherish it and keep it that way and be proactive.

 

[Contrarian]

India is by far a very gun free society. This is awesome. And you guys should cherish it and keep it that way and be proactive.

Most of India is. UP and Bihar are the exceptions.

 

[MilSpec]

Your Government needs to put the highest priority into curbing the easy availability of weapons in Pakistan. Close down the illegal factories, darra, etc.

Its literally astonishing that you have one of the most militarized societies in the world and your Govt and Army are not doing anything to stop it. It has cost you too much in my opinion, far too much.

Number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just wanted to point out that civilian weapons ownership is higher in several other countries than Pakistan. I have always been a proponent of responsible gun ownership.

Also pakistan is incorrectly pointed out as one of the most militarized countries.

I don't want tot derail the thread further, but lets keep this one just for gun locker contents and nothing else.