What you should think about before you judge others

[Asif Durrani]

@Akheilos - good simple way to explain one way perfectly normal people end up in / remain in poverty. There of course are many other ways:
* the person who inherits all wealth and doesn't realize value of money and ends up splurging his/her way to poverty
* the kid from an affluent family that gets into great school through affluence but throws it all away via excesses
* the kid whose rich parents simply provide money but no parenting
...and so on.

@Asif Durrani - why this urge to label (whether as con/lib or pious/atheist or dark/bright....)? Isn't poverty a human condition that regardless of which means one understands it to arise, is more importantly solved or helped solved? In my experience, thoughtful humans, whether conservative or liberal, differ from each other only on a minority of issues and are mostly are in concurrence. It is the extremes that imagine a black and white divide on such grounds. I for example strongly believe in free markets & capitalistic environments and strongly believe in equality of all. So does it matter that the extreme liberal calls me a conservative pig and the neocon calls me a weed smoking hippy? All I stand for in this dimension is for effective value creation (free markets) and just society (equality of people).

Do some research. This is a very old strip that became popular a while back as a liberal response to conservative/libertarian positions on poverty/affirmative action/social welfare. I was assuming that someone would be aware of that but it seems that is not the case.

The approach towards equal opportunity differs radically depending upon religious/social/political belief. There are, of course, penumbras where opinions intersect, but that is the exception. It was no coincidence that Europe became atheist/secular and a welfare society at the same time. And it is no coincidence that the most religious societies in this world have some of the highest rates of inequality.

 

[Dubious]

@Akheilos - good simple way to explain one way perfectly normal people end up in / remain in poverty. There of course are many other ways:
* the person who inherits all wealth and doesn't realize value of money and ends up splurging his/her way to poverty
* the kid from an affluent family that gets into great school through affluence but throws it all away via excesses
* the kid whose rich parents simply provide money but no parenting
...and so on.

Agreed but you are picking 1 class - how the rich waste or are ungrateful what they had and lost it...

OP is talking about those who despite trying cant seem to break free from the injustice of the world.....Was it her fault she was born poor, went to a lower class school, had to take part time jobs all her life and hence her grades suffered?

Was it his doing that he got the best education, got the best tutoring and what not, had full time to concentrate on his education and not work part time?

And how to bridge the gap?

nothing to do with understanding the true causes of poverty.

Really, exactly how does someone have something to do with poverty when you are being a pain and not trying to feel it?

Since you claim to be the expert on conservativism, maybe you should adduce from where you got the notion that Zakat and Christian charity show an understanding of poverty beyond pity and large-heartedness. These are not the same as calling for equal opportunity.

1) I didnt claim anything
2) adduce? Really?! I have rarely to never heard that here!
3) What citing can be given to one who wont believe the source (the book)?
4) By bridging the gap you are allowing opportunities....And whatelse does who is poor needs if not what they lack (money)...Now what they do with their money is their business as we dont enforce our views on them - we can guide them....but nothing else!
5) Sedaqah also involves AIDING them in any means they need
6) So if a person is poor, I give them money for a meal ...I am in no way feeling anything but to me it is equal to handing out leaves?

Zakat is ALMS given to BEGGARS. Where in religion does it say that poor people are such because of lack of education and equal opportunity?

Dear God! What a twisted nutjob!
They can be poor or lack opportunities for billions of reasons! Why must it be written for you to feel and do something? Are you a robot that you need to be fed instructions?

Just mentioning terms and then claiming that it shows x or y is classic religious obfuscation.

I never brought in religion YOU did....So I am not even sure why you are dying to link this with religion.....I gave an example ...What you dragged it to become is clear

I started off saying religious discussions are not allowed on this forum but I guess some dont understand! I answered what you asked but all you do is twist my words?!

 

[Asif Durrani]

Agreed but you are picking 1 class - how the rich waste or are ungrateful what they had and lost it...

OP is talking about those who despite trying cant seem to break free from the injustice of the world.....Was it her fault she was born poor, went to a lower class school, had to take part time jobs all her life and hence her grades suffered?

Was it his doing that he got the best education, got the best tutoring and what not, had full time to concentrate on his education and not work part time?

And how to bridge the gap?


Really, exactly how does someone have something to do with poverty when you are being a pain and not trying to feel it?

1) I didnt claim anything
2) adduce? Really?! I have rarely to never heard that here!
3) What citing can be given to one who wont believe the source (the book)?
4) By bridging the gap you are allowing opportunities....And whatelse does who is poor needs if not what they lack (money)...Now what they do with their money is their business as we dont enforce our views on them - we can guide them....but nothing else!
5) Sedaqah also involves AIDING them in any means they need
6) So if a person is poor, I give them money for a meal ...I am in no way feeling anything but to me it is equal to handing out leaves?


Dear God! What a twisted nutjob!
They can be poor or lack opportunities for billions of reasons! Why must it be written for you to feel and do something? Are you a robot that you need to be fed instructions?


I never brought in religion YOU did....So I am not even sure why you are dying to link this with religion.....I gave an example ...What you dragged it to become is clear

I started off saying religious discussions are not allowed on this forum but I guess some dont understand! I answered what you asked but all you do is twist my words?!

Your post is just a litany of incomprehensible rubbish. Religion is a virus and it has clearly compromised your mental abilities.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Do some research. This is a very old strip that became popular a while back as a liberal response to conservative/libertarian positions on poverty/affirmative action/social welfare. I was assuming that someone would be aware of that but it seems that is not the case.

It was more of a response for the 'other-side' to "walk a mile in my shoes".

Life's tough for a lot of people, regardless of wealth, health, religious background, nationality.

Some people are content with their life and are thankful for what they have, while the hearts of others are filled with greed and desire for more.

You're a Pakistani; ever notice how forgiving, and compassionate poor people are? While that Doctor from Pakistan is so stingy that he's unwilling to even spend a $1 to buy better looking clothes?

 

[ZYXW]

"Heart AND Brain", unfortunately we find a lot of lopsided idiots, but balanced, and unbiased, are quite a rarity.

Actually it's just two sides of the brain. The heart simply pumps blood.

 

[Sky lord]

How poor you FEEL is also relative to the community around you. if everyone around you drives a Lamborghini and you only have a Honda, you feel poor. If everyone around you takes the bus and you can afford to drive a Honda, you feel rich.
A bushman living in the Kalahari without any money, hunting for caterpillars and sleeping under the stars probably feels middle class, just like everyone else in his community.

From the little cartoon, I was thinking for many people having a roof over their head, being able to go to a school no matter how bad, actually having an option of college and a job that pays a wage would make that lady quite well off....sad world.

 

[Hurter]

“Thinking is difficult, that’s why most people judge.” C.G. Jung @Akheilos