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What would happen if KMT ruled over China after 1949?

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What would happen if we got an alternative version of China? Some member like @Speeder 2 is trying hard to convince people that CPC is doing a bad job, and instead with the KMT rule, China would have skyrocketed and surpassed the US like nothing.

- China would lose 50% of its territory like Xinjiang and Tibet, just like KMT sold out Outer Mongolia in 1946.

- China would remain as a vassal to the US with the US bases on its soil.

- As a vassal, the US can never allow you to develop the strategic industry, and a weak government like KMT would most like succumb to the US pressure and scrap any chance in the future to develop our strategic industry.

- As a country with huge population but with scarce natural resources, KMT mostly would not succeed to lift billion of people out of poverty. So the wealth discrepancy would be huge, the poor would get extremely poor and starving, and the rich would get extremely rich.

That's @Speeder 2 version of 'Superpower China'. :coffee:
 
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- As a vassal, the US can never allow you to develop the strategic industry, and a weak government like KMT would most like succumb to the US pressure and scrap any chance in the future to develop our strategic industry.



That's @Speeder 2 version of 'Superpower China'. :coffee:
Taiwan, South Korea, Japan,Singapore?
Compare them to Laos or Vietnam.
 
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What would happen if we got an alternative version of China? Some member like @Speeder 2 is trying hard to convince people that CPC is doing a bad job, and instead with the KMT rule, China would have skyrocketed and surpassed the US like nothing.

- China would lose 50% of its territory like Xinjiang and Tibet, just like KMT sold out Outer Mongolia in 1946.

- China would remain as a vassal to the US with the US bases on its soil.

- As a vassal, the US can never allow you to develop the strategic industry, and a weak government like KMT would most like succumb to the US pressure and scrap any chance in the future to develop our strategic industry.

- As a country with huge population but with scarce natural resources, KMT mostly would not succeed to lift billion of people out of poverty. So the wealth discrepancy would be huge, the poor would get extremely poor and starving, and the rich would get extremely rich.

That's @Speeder 2 version of 'Superpower China'. :coffee:


look what Taiwan did with a small island and a small population. they could of did wonders even if Xinjiang and Tibet was independent....since you still can still trade with them for those resources.

china would not be a vassal, but they would of played some kinda role during the cold war with the USSR.

Mao Zedong China was a failure, and it's not only when they opened up to the West did China finally prosper. they could of did this in 50's and had a miracle like Japan and SK early on.

but this is kinda pointless now.
 
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Are you saying the U.S. had such complete power in the world that it would have been impossible for China to grow even if the KMT had never lost power?

We snap our fingers and you remain backwards in poverty...no matter what?
 
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What would happen if we got an alternative version of China? Some member like @Speeder 2 is trying hard to convince people that CPC is doing a bad job, and instead with the KMT rule, China would have skyrocketed and surpassed the US like nothing.

- China would lose 50% of its territory like Xinjiang and Tibet, just like KMT sold out Outer Mongolia in 1946.

- China would remain as a vassal to the US with the US bases on its soil.

- As a vassal, the US can never allow you to develop the strategic industry, and a weak government like KMT would most like succumb to the US pressure and scrap any chance in the future to develop our strategic industry.

- As a country with huge population but with scarce natural resources, KMT mostly would not succeed to lift billion of people out of poverty. So the wealth discrepancy would be huge, the poor would get extremely poor and starving, and the rich would get extremely rich.

That's @Speeder 2 version of 'Superpower China'. :coffee:

If KMD had ruled China instead of CPC since 1949:

1. China would have never turned into a Marxist/ Communist.

2. The US would have never allied with Japan soon after WW2 - the very reason Japan recovered quickly as a loser of WW2 was because China turned red, hence the US felt the urgent need to ally with Japan to encircle red-China and red-Russia.

3. There would had been no Korean War : 100,000s of lives of both sides saved

4. The would had been no Communist VietNam, and would have had no VietNam War with the US, neither China-Vietnam war - millions of lives saved as a result.

5. China would have stationed troops in Japan as the US ally right after the war as a winner of WW2. Okinawa would have been another independent country friendly towards China sitting in the UN, like most of its history instead of being a part of Japan.

6. Japan's WW2 top criminals would have been executed. No one today would have heard the name called Shinzo Abe

7, there wouldn't have been Cultural Revolution and Great Leap forward...millions of Chinese lives ( many of whom were Chinese intellectual elites at a time) saved.

8. China would have been industrualised, and have freedom of speech and press, etc, almost the same way as Taiwan did, but on a much bigger scale at a much advanced level.

9. China would have become an economical and military statue -quo power of the US long ago, both as a friend and as a technological competitor to the US in the Parcific and around the multi-polar-world. As a result, with combined effort of both countries human beings would have probabaly colonised Mars years ago.

10. There have been no issue of Diao Yu Islands.

11. China's map today would have included: outter Mongolia, South Tibet, and a HUGE portion of today's Russian Far East - the ancestral homeland of the Manchus and teh Mongols.

12. The ole Soviet would have collapsed long ago, other than 1989, due to the combi efforts of China and the US - the allied powers.

13. Japan today would have become a little brother - a kind of "tributory state" - of China, like most of its time in the history.

14, both ChineseTiger and Speeder 2 would have been living in China instead.

15. India would have toilets long ago due to China's donations, rather than depending on Melinda & Bill Gates Foundation and Modi ji's world-touring begging bowl

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I can go on.
 
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If KMD had ruled China instead of CPC since 1949:

11. China's map today would have included: outter Mongolia, South Tibet, and a HUGE portion of today's Russian Far East - the ancestral homeland of the Manchus and teh Mongols.

I can go on.

Surprisingly quite believable, any explanation on this point?
 
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Surprisingly quite believable, any explanation on this point?

Soviet would have had much less power Vs China+US+West Europe. hence Mongolia wouldn't have dared to choose Soviet's protection. Soviet's much early collapse would have made Mongolia stayed or returned to China due to much better prospect.

There would have had no CPC, hence no China-Russia secret deal in which CPC literally gifted a HUGE disputerd land to Russia in teh recent years.

Without economic/diplomatic protection and re-armament of both the US and the Soviet, India wouldn't have dared to have a second thought on South Tibet in the first place. Even India somehow dared going for a war with China , neither would China have had such a strange action after 1962 total victory but to have taken over South Tibet instead in a natural, legal and logical way.
 
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130 million is small?

They are still a small island nation, and they can never challenge the US hegemony without any land and resources.

Even then, the US has still managed to break their back by forced them to sign the Plaza Accord which has created 30 years of bubble in their economy, and they haven't recovered yet.

look what Taiwan did with a small island and a small population. they could of did wonders even if Xinjiang and Tibet was independent....since you still can still trade with them for those resources.

china would not be a vassal, but they would of played some kinda role during the cold war with the USSR.

Mao Zedong China was a failure, and it's not only when they opened up to the West did China finally prosper. they could of did this in 50's and had a miracle like Japan and SK early on.

but this is kinda pointless now.

The KMT used all the wealth transported from China to develop that tiny island, so of course they can become rich.

But now, without the Mainland China, they are going to turn into a sh1thole just like before.

Mao did save China, and the Chinese people are careless about the opinion of the foreigners. And i can guarantee you that there are more people in China who are supporting Mao than the Americans who support Washington or Lincoln.
 
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If KMD had ruled China instead of CPC since 1949:

1. China would have never turned into a Marxist/ Communist.

2. The US would have never allied with Japan soon after WW2 - the very reason Japan recovered quickly as a loser of WW2 was because China turned red, hence the US felt the urgent need to ally with Japan to encircle red-China and red-Russia.

3. There would had been no Korean War : 100,000s of lives of both sides saved

4. The would had been no Communist VietNam, and would have had no VietNam War with the US, neither China-Vietnam war - millions of lives saved as a result.

5. China would have stationed troops in Japan as the US ally right after the war as a winner of WW2. Okinawa would have been another independent country friendly towards China sitting in the UN, like most of its history instead of being a part of Japan.

6. Japan's WW2 top criminals would have been executed. No one today would have heard the name called Shinzo Abe

7, there wouldn't have been Cultural Revolution and Great Leap forward...millions of Chinese lives ( many of whom were Chinese intellectual elites at a time) saved.

8. China would have been industrualised, and have freedom of speech and press, etc, almost the same way as Taiwan did, but on a much bigger scale at a much advanced level.

9. China would have become an economical and military statue -quo power of the US long ago, both as a friend and as a technological competitor to the US in the Parcific and around the multi-polar-world. As a result, with combined effort of both countries human beings would have probabaly colonised Mars years ago.

10. There have been no issue of Diao Yu Islands.

11. China's map today would have included: outter Mongolia, South Tibet, and a HUGE portion of today's Russian Far East - the ancestral homeland of the Manchus and teh Mongols.

12. The ole Soviet would have collapsed long ago, other than 1989, due to the combi efforts of China and the US - the allied powers.

13. Japan today would have become a little brother - a kind of "tributory state" - of China, like most of its time in the history.

14, both ChineseTiger and Speeder 2 would have been living in China instead.

15. India would have toilets long ago due to China's donations, rather than depending on Melinda & Bill Gates Foundation and Modi ji's world-touring begging bowl

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I can go on.

1. There is nothing wrong with the Marxism, and the western capitalism whom you strongly support now has by more more ties with the Zionism than the Marxism/Communism.

2. The US will still ally with Japan to contain its biggest enemy at the time USSR, regardless China is blue or red.

3. The Korean war is a must, and China cannot risk its national security at expense. The US was extremely hostile to PRC, and threatened to nuke us if we don't want to kowtow, then what do you expect?

4. Same here, a pro-US ROV is no better than the Vietcong.

5. Heck no, without CPC's effort to earn its right to become a powerhouse, nobody would give a sh1t about China when you are weak and powerless.

6. Nope, the US will preserve these guys for their own national interests at the top priority, regardless China is blue or red.

7. Again, Cultural Revolution was not entire negative, since you are not Chinese, of course you won't understand its purpose.

8. Freedom of speech my a$$, just look at Iraq/Syria/Libya/Ukraine, too much of freedom eh?

9. Do you think the US would allow a vassal to surpass itself? What planet are you living?

10. Again, the delusion as usual, and you sound more and more like those Indian ultra-nationalists.

11. lol, haven't you ever learned the history about the government who sold out Outer Mongolia?

12. Yeah, USSR would lose, but China would forever become a vassal, so the US would dominate forever.

13. Japan would remain as the little brother of the US, and both China and Japan would be the vassals of the US.

14. I will go back to China in the future, but you , just stay in where you belong to.

15. China would end up like India if it was KMT in charge.

AHAHAHAHAHAHHA..............this is one of the best comments i have seen on here for AVERY LONG TIME indeed. You are spot on bro. I already said it to many Chinese members on here a while ago. Some did agree , but most refuse to believe(seems the CCP has really done something to their brain.lol). tO ADD TO YOUR POINT, had the KMT won, China would have taken back all the islands in SCS LONG TIME AGO AFTER THE WWII, when most Asian countries were not even Independent yet.:agree: , A small failed state like Burma wouldnt have dared bombed Chinese territory killing chinese civilians and refuse to apologise(waiing for over a week to do so after alot of pressure) with impunity(while the CCP is busy deleting its own citizens anger online/sensoring the news.lol) In short Chinas neighbours would have had it FARRRRR more worse than with the communist corrupt CCP.:bounce: China would have also had a much more positive image toward it neighbours. Democracies ALWAYS HAVE IT EASY EVEN WHEN INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES.:partay:

Even KMT won, the island will still be disputed, since the Anglo-Saxons always love to play the divide and conquer game in Asia.

Let's the Asians killed each others, so they can never become a threat to us.

Your little dirty tactic is not working today, because the China led by CCP has become overwhelmingly stronger even you are unwilling to admit.

China can take back those island whenever she wants, but we have the patience to maximize our goal, the later the stronger we are, the better for us.
 
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it would be meaningless because there would be no future for mainland under KMT, unlike taiwan island which was put under foreign rule for a long time mainland was under daily struggle between all kinds of different groups, and KMT has already lost the faith in the general opinion long time ago for their all kinds of failiures and broken promises. Not to mention KMT wouldnt be able to do anything with the poor and suffering population which have already placed all blames on them. Only communist under Mao was able to wipe everything clean and make a new beginning, that was needed to clear all the doubts and chaos which have been piling up for century, KMT could never achieve that.
 
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If KMD had ruled China instead of CPC since 1949:

1. China would have never turned into a Marxist/ Communist.

2. The US would have never allied with Japan soon after WW2 - the very reason Japan recovered quickly as a loser of WW2 was because China turned red, hence the US felt the urgent need to ally with Japan to encircle red-China and red-Russia.

3. There would had been no Korean War : 100,000s of lives of both sides saved

4. The would had been no Communist VietNam, and would have had no VietNam War with the US, neither China-Vietnam war - millions of lives saved as a result.

5. China would have stationed troops in Japan as the US ally right after the war as a winner of WW2. Okinawa would have been another independent country friendly towards China sitting in the UN, like most of its history instead of being a part of Japan.

6. Japan's WW2 top criminals would have been executed. No one today would have heard the name called Shinzo Abe

7, there wouldn't have been Cultural Revolution and Great Leap forward...millions of Chinese lives ( many of whom were Chinese intellectual elites at a time) saved.

8. China would have been industrualised, and have freedom of speech and press, etc, almost the same way as Taiwan did, but on a much bigger scale at a much advanced level.

9. China would have become an economical and military statue -quo power of the US long ago, both as a friend and as a technological competitor to the US in the Parcific and around the multi-polar-world. As a result, with combined effort of both countries human beings would have probabaly colonised Mars years ago.

10. There have been no issue of Diao Yu Islands.

11. China's map today would have included: outter Mongolia, South Tibet, and a HUGE portion of today's Russian Far East - the ancestral homeland of the Manchus and teh Mongols.

12. The ole Soviet would have collapsed long ago, other than 1989, due to the combi efforts of China and the US - the allied powers.

13. Japan today would have become a little brother - a kind of "tributory state" - of China, like most of its time in the history.

14, both ChineseTiger and Speeder 2 would have been living in China instead.

15. India would have toilets long ago due to China's donations, rather than depending on Melinda & Bill Gates Foundation and Modi ji's world-touring begging bowl

...

I can go on.
A major reason why KMT loses the civil war is , they are highly corrupted and the fact CCP member so easily infiltrated KMT rank means even in future of United China. They will be infiltrated by Soviet Union and create havoc.
 
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A major reason why KMT loses the civil war is , they are highly corrupted and the fact CCP member so easily infiltrated KMT rank means even in future of United China. They will be infiltrated by Soviet Union and create havoc.

KMT isn't the type of government to rule over a large country.

Even in Taiwan, they are still struggling against DPP, and even the autoritarian KMT was better in charge than the current democratic KMT.
 
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