What would happen if KMT ruled over China after 1949?

[Beast]

KMT in charge of China mean that China loses its independent foreign policy and becomes a vassal to the US.

Having no independent foreign policy means you lose your sovereignty to another country.

China will not accept this.

China doesn't care if the US like China or not, China's aim to to surpass the US, not take orders from the US or anyone else.

China, being a massive country has no reason whatsoever to give up its independent foreign policy to be 'liked' by the US.

China will do what it wants, when it wants.

End of story!

I still remember Japan was a thriving economic in late 1980s then US order yen to be floated. The rest is end of story.

Until now yuan is still pegged to USD.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I still remember Japan was a thriving economic in late 1980s then US order yen to be floated. The rest is end of story.

Japan is just a vassal, so the US could force them to kowtow at anytime, but against China, there is no way to bring China down except to fool China to commit the suicide by infiltrating it with those pro-West fifth column groups.

But CPC right now is purging those fifth column groups, so it is now even harder to bring China down on its knee.

 

[Beidou2020]

I still remember Japan was a thriving economic in late 1980s then US order yen to be floated. The rest is end of story.

Until now yuan is still pegged to USD.

America will NEVER allow one of its vassals to surpass it. In America's mind, its vassal can grow and become rich, but its not allowed to surpass America itself. That's what you sign up for when you choose to become a subservient vassal to the US.

That's what Japan gets for not having an independent foreign policy and slavishly choosing to become a vassal.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

They are still a small island nation, and they can never challenge the US hegemony without any land and resources.

Even then, the US has still managed to break their back by forced them to sign the Plaza Accord which has created 30 years of bubble in their economy, and they haven't recovered yet.



The KMT used all the wealth transported from China to develop that tiny island, so of course they can become rich.

But now, without the Mainland China, they are going to turn into a sh1thole just like before.

Mao did save China, and the Chinese people are careless about the opinion of the foreigners. And i can guarantee you that there are more people in China who are supporting Mao than the Americans who support Washington or Lincoln.

Not true. Taiwan become rich mainly because of hardworking and clever Taiwanese.

You can have all gold in this world but it is not allow to create companies like Foxconn, Mediatek and TSMC...etc.

While the gold reserve was used to stabilize Taiwanese balance of payment initially, Taiwan do not need to tap into it anymore after 1960s, as her economy picks up and she keep raking up surpluses.

Another thing is USA aid and most important, USA open her market to Taiwan.

 

[Beidou2020]

Japan is just a vassal, so the US could force them to kowtow at anytime, but against China, there is no way to bring China down except to fool China to commit the suicide by infiltrating it with those pro-West fifth column groups.

But CPC right now is purging those fifth column groups, so it is now even harder to bring China down on its knee.

What are fifth column groups?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

What are fifth column groups?

The pro-West liberals.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

What are fifth column groups?

The pro-West liberals.

Those who advocate privatizing strategic asset are traitors.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Not true. Taiwan become rich mainly because of hardworking and clever Taiwanese.

You can have all gold in this world but it is not allow to create companies like Foxconn, Mediatek and TSMC...etc.

While the gold reserve was used to stabilize Taiwanese balance of payment initially, Taiwan do not need to tap into it anymore after 1960s, as her economy picks up and she keep raking up surpluses.

Another thing is USA aid and most important, USA open her market to Taiwan.

They are good workers, but they aren't capable to become the rule maker like the Mainlanders.

The US is powerful because they are the rule maker.

Those who advocate privatizing strategic asset are traitors.

KMT made a further great blunder by allowing their successor to privatize the national asset.

Otherwise, i would have more respect towards them.

A KMT supporter once claimed that the privatization is the biggest crime against a nation.

 

[TaiShang]

Enjoy the "New World."

World pays no heed to West’s deaf prophets
By Mark Mazower

As Europe struggles to hold itself together and its nationalist parties preach the virtues of the old nation-state, we find ourselves back in a place that can look eerily familiar. Once again we inhabit a world of great powers jostling for influence. Russia, with its incursions into Ukraine, is once again an aspirational counterweight; and China's rise has thrown the power balance in Asia into confusion. Meanwhile the likely re-emergence of Iran, following the agreement between Tehran and world powers of a nuclear accord, and the slow ebbing of American power are reshaping the Middle East.

So is this a story, as the doomsters would have it, of Western decline? Certainly, it is the ending of that long era in which the US and the Europe between them could assume they ran the world. But rather than indicating decline, this shifting configuration of forces may provide some much-needed intellectual reinvigoration, an end perhaps not only to centuries of the West's global dominance, but perhaps too to the mental laziness that accompanied it.

When the West emerged triumphant at the end of the Cold War, many saw the defeat of communism as a vindication of its ideas. They believed history had demonstrated the superiority of democracy and the market over one-party rule and the planned economy. They viewed the US as the guardian of these values and encouraged international institutions such as the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund to promote them globally in the form of the Washington consensus.

In fact what the Washington consensus, as it came to be known, really did was to replace one view of the relationship between markets and democracy with another. What it destroyed was that older idea, forged out of depression and war, that markets were valuable but needed to be held in check in order to allow governments the capacity to do the things at home that would nourish democratic institutions.

To the generation of John Maynard Keynes, markets were supposed to serve democracy; unchecked they could as easily harm it as foster it. This was the way of thinking that collapsed amid the fin de siècle financialization of the global economy. And what kind of universal truth emerged? Some people made a lot of money but the global economy became far more unstable. Financial hurricanes devastated South America, East Asia and Russia during the 1990s. Yet it was only once the contagion spread to the US and the EU that a timid questioning of economic and political orthodoxies began in the West.

The forces making for intellectual inertia have been great. Not least of the benefits that accrued to the US during its long era of global predominance was the power to define ways of thinking about the world, to say what counted as serious economic or political knowledge. It was a mixed blessing.

One of the problems of the Cold War was that it fossilized habits of thought. Even as US universities boomed, those who actually knew about foreign cultures and foreign languages were marginalized, written off as mere area specialists. The big money was in coming up with shiny new universal models of social or political behavior that would allow policymakers to think big - to spread democracy everywhere, for example, or to eradicate corruption.

And since the consequences of bad ideas were felt more overseas than at home, the price of error was low. The result was an analytic over-superficiality and an intellectual rigidity in thinking about the world of which the Washington consensus might now stand as Exhibit A. If US economists and social scientists can no longer assume the rest of the world will buy their view of what counts as truth, so much the better for everyone.

We should not be dismayed that the global economic crisis and our uncertain exit from it has shaken up received wisdoms. The West has been acting for too long like a deaf prophet, so convinced of its own truths that it does not need to listen.

Coming to grips with complexity, such as the numerous conceptions around the world of how markets function, or of political legitimacy, can only be a good thing: They are often the fruits of insights and experiences we can learn from.

For 200 years or so, first Europe and then the US achieved a kind of world dominance that is now slipping into history. But the ending of that dominance should inspire not fear but curiosity. A new world of ideas awaits and the West, if that outmoded term still has any value, should for the sake of its own intellectual vitality embrace this and not turn its back on it.

The author is professor of history at Columbia and author of Governing the World: The History of an Idea. The article first appeared on the Financial Times. opinion@globaltimes.com.cn

 

[Beast]

As i said before, anybody who claims his country is sooo GREAT and his government is doing so well, WHY DONT THEY REMAIN IN THEIR COUNTRY TO HELP IT PROSPER EVEN MORE/MAKE IT EVEN MORE GREAT?? they instead immigrate to the 'evil' west/U.S and from there use their keyboards to claim how great MOTHER CHINA is. Their deposed/shamed former party leader Bo xilai also had his only son studying/living here in U.K, there are many more thousands of their officials who have their kids/familly in the west and dual seceret foreign western passports for they and their children(as a security in case something goes wrong in China) . The hell even Xi jinping the highest leader of theur country sent his daughter to study in Harvard in the 'evil/imperialistic/liberal U.S. Hope she wont be indoctrinated with Liberal values, so she can go back and implement them in China. Shows you just how little confidence they have in their own country man. Reminds me of another radical palestinian muslim member @Falcon who spend his time bashing the U.S/west as 'evil' countries meAnwhile he immigrated to the U.S and lives there for good. Fooling nobody man.

edit: Even though im not really a fan of MAO(he indeed made his country watse soo many decades for nothing, though he had good intentions), i must say i still admire his balls and determination for his country, he never went abroad for something nor did he send his kids to study in the west, meanwhile many of his so called admirers even here on PDF today all immigrate to the very same 'evil' west they keep condemning day and night to live/study/invest.lool What an irony.

The Chinese are there to leech on Western society. Most of them still invest in China and often fly back to China. See how much they intergrated with the local society with broken English and still speaking mandarin within their own Chinese communities proves their stay in western is temporary and mainly to master the western skill and exploit on western economies. Many of these so called overseas Chinese end up as spies for CPC

I guess they are part of this clique??

Half of China’s People’s Congress Members Hold Foreign Passports, Leaked Report | China
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/NG12Cb02.html

This is to faciliate their infiltration to foreign secrets.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I guess they are part of this clique??

Half of China’s People’s Congress Members Hold Foreign Passports, Leaked Report | China
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/NG12Cb02.html

- from the falungong website
- 2012 news

Next time you gotta try harder, and don't act like those Vietnamese.

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

I guess they are part of this clique??

Half of China’s People’s Congress Members Hold Foreign Passports, Leaked Report | China
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/NG12Cb02.html

Since China doesn't allow dual citizenship I find that claim highly dubious.

Lets not forget that China under the CCP is gaining on Taiwan. Past mistakes have been made. We need to move forward. But these rhetorical questions are useless. You could ask what would happen if the dinosaurs didn't get wiped out by an asteroid.

 

[terranMarine]

The reason why Mao won and Chang Kai Shek lost was because KMT didn't care about the common people. No wonder the majority of the people supported Communist Party. KMT only thought the elite were people and the poor are dirt.
It's too simple minded just to look at the success stories in Taiwan and to project it to Mainland had KMT won the battle. First of all KMT fled with all the cash to Taiwan, it has a tiny population compared to Mainland. Not to mention KMT officials were corrupt back in those days. The Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution were disastrous thus it's an incredible achievement that China is where it is today despite those setbacks. Both South Korea and Japan also have smaller populations and landmasses so of course it's much easier to become a developed country compared to the giant. In a way it worked out pretty well as Taiwan didn't suffer from the 2 policies that had plagued Mainland and Taiwan did contribute to Mainland's development too. Today we see how Mainland is catching up in an unprecedented speed astonishing the world. More than ever it's evident Taiwan's future lies with Mainland.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The reason why Mao won and Chang Kai Shek lost was because KMT didn't care about the common people. No wonder the majority of the people supported Communist Party. KMT only thought the elite were people and the poor are dirt.
It's too simple minded just to look at the success stories in Taiwan and to project it to Mainland had KMT won the battle. First of all KMT fled with all the cash to Taiwan, it has a tiny population compared to Mainland. Not to mention KMT officials were corrupt back in those days. The Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution were disastrous thus it's an incredible achievement that China is where it is today despite those setbacks. Both South Korea and Japan also have smaller populations and landmasses so of course it's much easier to become a developed country compared to the giant. In a way it worked out pretty well as Taiwan didn't suffer from the 2 policies that had plagued Mainland and Taiwan did contribute to Mainland's development too. Today we see how Mainland is catching up in an unprecedented speed astonishing the world. More than ever it's evident Taiwan's future lies with Mainland.

At least China still produced the nukes/satellite/ICBM/nuclear subs during the cultural revolution, but in comparison, KMT has achieved almost nothing during their days in the Mainland China.

Yes, Mao and CPC both made some mistakes on the micro scale, but on the macro scale, they are still heading on the good direction.

Everyone can make mistake as long as you can still shift back to the right direction, but the mistakes committed by the KMT has almost pushed China down to the hell, and China would definitely cease existing as a country if KMT kept taking in charge.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

What would happen if we got an alternative version of China? Some member like @Speeder 2 is trying hard to convince people that CPC is doing a bad job, and instead with the KMT rule, China would have skyrocketed and surpassed the US like nothing.

- China would lose 50% of its territory like Xinjiang and Tibet, just like KMT sold out Outer Mongolia in 1946.

- China would remain as a vassal to the US with the US bases on its soil.

- As a vassal, the US can never allow you to develop the strategic industry, and a weak government like KMT would most like succumb to the US pressure and scrap any chance in the future to develop our strategic industry.

- As a country with huge population but with scarce natural resources, KMT mostly would not succeed to lift billion of people out of poverty. So the wealth discrepancy would be huge, the poor would get extremely poor and starving, and the rich would get extremely rich.

That's @Speeder 2 version of 'Superpower China'.

While this is all speculation, one thing wrong factually is, that KMT never sold out Outer Mongolia. It was rather the CCP that accepted their independence. Even today ROC maintains that Mongolia is a part of China while PRC doesn't.