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What would happen if KMT ruled over China after 1949?

Every single KMT president is a Christian. Says a lot about the banana nature of the KMT.

Well, you do know that Dr. Sun Yat Sen, was also Christian, right?

He is a catholic, just like the rest of the KMT banana leaders.

That's wrong. Not all KMT leaders were Catholic. You do know that Jiang Jieshi was a Methodist, right?

And let me tell you -- there is a huge dichotomy between Roman Catholicism vs Protestant denominations.
 
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Well, you do know that Dr. Sun Yat Sen, was also Christian, right?



That's wrong. Not all KMT leaders were Catholic. You do know that Jiang Jieshi was a Methodist, right?

And let me tell you -- there is a huge dichotomy between Roman Catholicism vs Protestant denominations.

Whether catholic or protestant, these all belong to the christianity, and all alien to the Chinese culture.
 
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Whether catholic or protestant, these all belong to the christianity, and all alien to the Chinese culture.

True, you have a point. But so is Buddhism -- its not technically an East Asian religion is it? Its a dharmic religion that originated in South Asia. Yet Buddhism has influenced Japanese , Korean and Chinese civilization in its own right.

So, where do we begin to draw the line of 'foreign' and 'acceptable domestic' influences ? Or is that just subjective.
 
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True, you have a point. But so is Buddhism -- its not technically an East Asian religion is it? Its a dharmic religion that originated in South Asia. Yet Buddhism has influenced Japanese , Korean and Chinese civilization in its own right.

So, where do we begin to draw the line of 'foreign' and 'acceptable domestic' influences ? Or is that just subjective.

Both Buddhism and Communism have successfully integrated into the Chinese society, but the Christianity no.

The Chinese who convert to Christinianity can never enter into China's mainstream society, just like the non-Christians can never become the mainstream in the western society.
 
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Both Buddhism and Communism have successfully integrated into the Chinese society, but the Christianity no.

The Chinese who convert to Christinianity can never enter into China's mainstream society, just like the non-Christians can never become the mainstream in the western society.


You know as well as I do that what you just said is simply not the truth. Because you and I know that there are more than 67 million Chinese Christians, about 2% of China's population. Chinese who practice Christianity integrate their religious life into their social and societal functions. In fact, Christianity is one of the fastest growing religions in China, same as Islam.


http://www.pewforum.org/files/2011/12/ChristianityAppendixC.pdf

Both Buddhism and Communism have successfully integrated into the Chinese society, but the Christianity no.

The Chinese who convert to Christinianity can never enter into China's mainstream society, just like the non-Christians can never become the mainstream in the western society.


To put it into perspective for you, as a Chinese-Canadian, the number of Chinese Christians (67 million) is over double the population of Canada's own population (30 million).

The number of Christians in China is more than the entire population of the United Kingdom, France, Spain, respectively. The number of Christians in China is more than the entire population of Thailand, Malaysia, South Korea, respectively.
 
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You know as well as I do that what you just said is simply not the truth. Because you and I know that there are more than 67 million Chinese Christians, about 2% of China's population. Chinese who practice Christianity integrate their religious life into their social and societal functions. In fact, Christianity is one of the fastest growing religions in China, same as Islam.


http://www.pewforum.org/files/2011/12/ChristianityAppendixC.pdf

Some young Chinese only wanna try some exotic things for fun, when they got bored, they will eventually leave.

As for the some old peasants, they don't even have an idea about the Jesus Christ and Bible, so the foundation of the Christianity in China can never be strong.

Thanks to Mao, the foundation of the Communism in China is very strong, at least as strong as the Buddhism, although Mao is not the person who introduced the Communism in China.
 
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Some young Chinese only wanna try some exotic things for fun, when they got bored, they will eventually leave.

As for the some old peasants, they don't even have an idea about the Jesus Christ and Bible, so the foundation of the Christianity in China can never be strong.

Thanks to Mao, the foundation of the Communism in China is very strong, at least as strong as the Buddhism, although Mao is not the person who introduced the Communism in China.


That's the beauty of East Asian culture, specifically Chinese, is that it takes and taps into the philosophies and applies it into the Chinese culture. So you see, Tiger, your not all Chinese Christians will have problems in integrating into Chinese mainstream society, as you said in your prior post. And I quote you:

The Chinese who convert to Christinianity can never enter into China's mainstream society

I hope we settled this matter now. I don't want to keep on going in circles here.
 
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That's the beauty of East Asian culture, specifically Chinese, is that it takes and taps into the philosophies and applies it into the Chinese culture. So you see, Tiger, your not all Chinese Christians will have problems in integrating into Chinese mainstream society, as you said in your prior post. And I quote you:



I hope we settled this matter now. I don't want to keep on going in circles here.

Many Chinese Christians have a problem to integrate into the Chinese society, while some others are just converting it for fun.

So the root of the Christianity in China is actually very weak despite it has its presence in China for more than 1000 years.
 
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Many Chinese Christians have a problem to integrate into the Chinese society, while some others are just converting it for fun.

So the root of the Christianity in China is actually very weak despite it has its presence in China fore more than 1000 years.

Well, you have to also admit that there wasn't a concerted effort to convert the Chinese populace en masse. You know what I mean? For example in the Philippines, the majority of the people were actually Muslim prior to the Spanish arrival ( in fact before Spain's arrival in the Philippines, it would be even hard to differentiate the society in the Philippines from say that in Java Indonesia, Sumatra, Borneo or even Peninsular Malaysia. Understand? But the Philippines underwent a forced conversion program that was instilled by the Spanish Audencia (Religious Arm of the Spanish Government). So you see how after nearly 400 years of Spanish rule, the majority of Filipinos are now Roman Catholic , the religion of Spain.

The same way applies in say Korea (South Korea). Before the Korean civil war , Korea as a society was actually strongly mahayana buddhist, and also there was a significant portion of Korean population that also practiced Shintoism , since Korea was for almost a century influenced by Japanese culture , you know what i mean? After Korea was granted indepedence and after the Korean civil war, the high amount of American presence also led to American missionary activities in the country --- specially presbyterians, methodists, catholics, and even mormons (latter day saints). So you see that is the reason why today Korean population is now 33% Christian. There was a converted effort as you see.

China, on the other hand is a totally different country. China is not a small country like say Korea, or Philippines, you know that. China is a civilization starter, She is the progenitor of Confucian society, the progenitor of what is now Japan and Korea. So there is a strong cultural influence in China to retain the family name, to retain the practice of ancestral worship through filial piety. Chinese culture places importance on the family name -- and the role of the son in this dynamic. Very much the same was as Japanese. You see? Japan has been defeated by the United States, in fact, there are even over 40,000 American troops that operate around Japan --- yet Japan does not have a significant Christian population, Muslim population, despite being exposed to these religions. I'm not saying that there are no Christians in Japan, just that there are not that many as compared to say in South Korea or even in China, you know what i mean? The reason for this is because Japanese culture is very strong -- and so is the Japanese identity. Similar in dynamic as the Chinese one. This has been the reason why Japan and China has been, for a long time, resistant to foreign religions either than Buddhism.

@ChineseTiger1986

In other words, Japan and China are both tough nuts to crack.
 
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Well, you have to also admit that there wasn't a concerted effort to convert the Chinese populace en masse. You know what I mean? For example in the Philippines, the majority of the people were actually Muslim prior to the Spanish arrival ( in fact before Spain's arrival in the Philippines, it would be even hard to differentiate the society in the Philippines from say that in Java Indonesia, Sumatra, Borneo or even Peninsular Malaysia. Understand? But the Philippines underwent a forced conversion program that was instilled by the Spanish Audencia (Religious Arm of the Spanish Government). So you see how after nearly 400 years of Spanish rule, the majority of Filipinos are now Roman Catholic , the religion of Spain.

The same way applies in say Korea (South Korea). Before the Korean civil war , Korea as a society was actually strongly mahayana buddhist, and also there was a significant portion of Korean population that also practiced Shintoism , since Korea was for almost a century influenced by Japanese culture , you know what i mean? After Korea was granted indepedence and after the Korean civil war, the high amount of American presence also led to American missionary activities in the country --- specially presbyterians, methodists, catholics, and even mormons (latter day saints). So you see that is the reason why today Korean population is now 33% Christian. There was a converted effort as you see.

China, on the other hand is a totally different country. China is not a small country like say Korea, or Philippines, you know that. China is a civilization starter, She is the progenitor of Confucian society, the progenitor of what is now Japan and Korea. So there is a strong cultural influence in China to retain the family name, to retain the practice of ancestral worship through filial piety. Chinese culture places importance on the family name -- and the role of the son in this dynamic. Very much the same was as Japanese. You see? Japan has been defeated by the United States, in fact, there are even over 40,000 American troops that operate around Japan --- yet Japan does not have a significant Christian population, Muslim population, despite being exposed to these religions. I'm not saying that there are no Christians in Japan, just that there are not that many as compared to say in South Korea or even in China, you know what i mean? The reason for this is because Japanese culture is very strong -- and so is the Japanese identity. Similar in dynamic as the Chinese one. This has been the reason why Japan and China has been, for a long time, resistant to foreign religions either than Buddhism.

Yes, China is a civilization progenitor, that's why she cannot be mentally subdued by the foreign culture/religion.

USSR initially planned to use the Communism to make China as its vassal. However, the Communism in China had later broken its bound with USSR, that's why Communism is allowed to stay because it has later played a central role to assist China's rise, not served as a Trojan religion/culture that used by the foreign power to enslave China.

The Christianity, on the other hand, has always served for the western dominance over China, so that's why it can never become dominant in China.
 
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Yes, China is a civilization progenitor, that's why she cannot be mentally subdued by the foreign culture/religion.

USSR initially planned to use the Communism to make China as its vassal. However, the Communism in China had later broken its bound with USSR, that's why Communism is allowed to stay because it has later played a central role to assist China's rise, not served as a Trojan religion/culture that used by the foreign power to enslave China.

The Christianity has always served for the western dominance over China, so that's why it can never become dominant in China.


Agreed on all points.
 
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Communism in China did more good than bad..

Massive population needs a strict government to overcome it's problems..

Look at China now.. So far ahead of India though we started on equal footings and relatively the same time..

Having said that, I wouldn't like to be ruled by Communist..
 
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Communism in China did more good than bad..

Massive population needs a strict government to overcome it's problems..

Look at China now.. So far ahead of India though we started on equal footings and relatively the same time..

Having said that, I wouldn't like to be ruled by Communist..

PS, CPC is an extremely competent communist regime, and it has surpassed its big brother USSR.

The big brother USSR has felt into the trap set by the US, while CPC didn't get fooled.
 
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Communism in China did more good than bad..

Massive population needs a strict government to overcome it's problems..

Look at China now.. So far ahead of India though we started on equal footings and relatively the same time..

Having said that, I wouldn't like to be ruled by Communist..

The Chinese experience says:

better than emperors, military dictators and warlords under the disguise of "democracy". Personal experience, don't ask.
 
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