what would 2018 election look like ?

[A.M.]

What's PTIs agenda for Pakistan if they win? Does anyone know?

 

[Pakistansdefender]

If pti was able to get 60 to 70 seats, they can easily get the support of 90 or so electables.
Pti has to get up quick.
Karachi is open and has 18 seats,
5 or 6 of Karachi's seats can be snatched from mqm and PSP.
In fata , imran Khan took fata issue to Supreme Court and raise the voice of merger at every level , fata seats would go with imran Khan.
If pmln would have merged fata with kpk then pmln can form government in kpk but they didn't.
In kpk I can see change, people are buying imran's performance, atleast the young ones do, I think they would get if not more but retain current seats.
Now in Punjab they have to get 35 plus seats atleast .
Baluchistan has 9 seats, if 3 or 4 can be snatched. It's well and good.
If Imran played well, win 60 plus seats, the next government is his....
But imran should realize that he has to play game with all its rules, this is not a game that has some laws or rules, winning is brutal and to win you have to crush every single law.
Imran has bent a lot of his rules .
He knows that to achieve something he has to be in power and to be in power he has to go dirty.
I see no one challenging ppp in sindh, I have met sindhis snd they almost weep saying ke "koi hamari Jan churwa day zardari se". It is fault of ppp and pti that they don't go to sindh. Sindh is ready, if someone challenge it.
I hope to see some change.
But I am not hopeful from Punjab though I am myself punjabi.
The level of thinking here even educated people is very faulty.
They don't know what is good or bad and they themselves are corrupt to the core just like their leaders.
There is going to be huge rigging as in 2013 . It is better to right elections yourself then to weep later at rigging.
Loadshedding is still a problem, I am not talking about Balochistan, wahan to bijli ho bhi to nhn daini ,even in winters interior punjab is suffering from long hours of load shedding and in summer it would really effect.
If Imran Khan meat with ppp then ready for the same result of qadri jalsa.
Prople of punjab are anti zardari, even anti bilawal in short anti pppp.
Also that voter, that was not ready to vote pti in 2018 , is now ready.
There is an illusion In Punjab, an illusion of development, which is very hard to remove.
A person living a miserable life, cannot send his childern to school, have not enough to eat, his childern die due to health care, spend what he earns on heavy rent, would grin and say, Taraqi bought hui hai punjab main....

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

6 people voted for


5. PTI in center, punjab and KPK, PPPP in sindh

I want to meet them here after 2018 election

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

Corruption was never a concern for establishment.They know it is the part and parcel of this party base political system.Their concern is internal and external security of the country.In current scenario some parties in the eyes of ESTABLISHMENT are security risks for the country.India has done lot of investment in these parties.They gonna get lot of out side support in upcoming elections too. Establishment has sacrificed a lot in previous decade.They have to fight a full fledged war.They lost thousand of officers and Jawans. A common Pakistani suffered as well.They don't want to fight internally any more.They want themselves on the borders not safeguarding cities.So they preference would be a serious guy who can
listen and follow them specially defense and foreign relataed affairs.

Kindly respond to the followings,
A-Do you think EST will let the PMLN lead by NS to come in power again who was following the dictation from the out side.Four and half years he did not appoint foreign minister to give India a free hand on all Intl forums.He did not utter a single word in case of KULBASHAN.ISI knows about the business NS sons are doing with Indians.It happened first time that Indians were free to roam around in PAK as family friends of PM.

B-After a long time lights of Karachi are back.Do you think ESTB will hand over Karachi to Altaf and its culprits again-------------NO WAY

C-Do you guys think KPK would be handed over to ASF WALI Who took in recent past millions of dollars from USA in the name of Greater Pakhtunistan----NO WAY

D- Do you guys think ESTB will allow the Parties from Baluchistan lead by separatist and their relatives to win the election and then destroy every thing regarding CPEC----NO WAY

E-Do you guys think JUF lead by Molana who took fund from RAW to get Kashmir Committee and then make it non functional.NS rendered him the full support in this regard as well.His candidates will win in large number------NO WAY

F-PMAP lead by Achakzai ----------------------NO WAY

I am not saying these parties would be wiped out.But they would not get any favor from inside the ESTB. They will shrink and their role will be limited. ESTB have decided that there will be no direct involvement in PAK affairs.Every thing would be monitored and controlled sitting behind the curtain.This is the way by means of which ESTB operate all over the world.
They need pro ESTB person to rule PAK he could be MSS or IK or even BB but not NS.

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

If pti was able to get 60 to 70 seats, they can easily get the support of 90 or so electables.
Pti has to get up quick.
Karachi is open and has 18 seats,
5 or 6 of Karachi's seats can be snatched from mqm and PSP.
In fata , imran Khan took fata issue to Supreme Court and raise the voice of merger at every level , fata seats would go with imran Khan.
If pmln would have merged fata with kpk then pmln can form government in kpk but they didn't.
In kpk I can see change, people are buying imran's performance, atleast the young ones do, I think they would get if not more but retain current seats.
Now in Punjab they have to get 35 plus seats atleast .
Baluchistan has 9 seats, if 3 or 4 can be snatched. It's well and good.
If Imran played well, win 60 plus seats, the next government is his....
But imran should realize that he has to play game with all its rules, this is not a game that has some laws or rules, winning is brutal and to win you have to crush every single law.
Imran has bent a lot of his rules .
He knows that to achieve something he has to be in power and to be in power he has to go dirty.
I see no one challenging ppp in sindh, I have met sindhis snd they almost weep saying ke "koi hamari Jan churwa day zardari se". It is fault of ppp and pti that they don't go to sindh. Sindh is ready, if someone challenge it.
I hope to see some change.
But I am not hopeful from Punjab though I am myself punjabi.
The level of thinking here even educated people is very faulty.
They don't know what is good or bad and they themselves are corrupt to the core just like their leaders.
There is going to be huge rigging as in 2013 . It is better to right elections yourself then to weep later at rigging.
Loadshedding is still a problem, I am not talking about Balochistan, wahan to bijli ho bhi to nhn daini ,even in winters interior punjab is suffering from long hours of load shedding and in summer it would really effect.
If Imran Khan meat with ppp then ready for the same result of qadri jalsa.
Prople of punjab are anti zardari, even anti bilawal in short anti pppp.
Also that voter, that was not ready to vote pti in 2018 , is now ready.
There is an illusion In Punjab, an illusion of development, which is very hard to remove.
A person living a miserable life, cannot send his childern to school, have not enough to eat, his childern die due to health care, spend what he earns on heavy rent, would grin and say, Taraqi bought hui hai punjab main....

Why PPP lost election in 2013 !!!
---ESTB (Army,Bureaucracy, Judiciary)----Was not happy
---PPP was not the first choice of electables
---Anti-incumbency---General impression was that PPP did lot of corruption and did not do any thing for the betterment of the common people.Did not fix the problem of load shedding etc
Why PMLN won election in 2013 !!!
---ESTB (Army,Bureaucracy, Judiciary)----For them only alternative of PPP was PMLN
---PMLN was the first choice of electables
---Anti-incumbency- There was general impression that PPP did not do any thing. PMLN leadership is honest and experienced.They can solve the problem of common people.So 90 % anti incumbency vote went to PMLN.
So now question arises in 2018 election
which party or leader is favorite of ESTB( Army,Bureaucracy, Judiciary) ??
Which party is the first choice of electables ??
What is the general impression about the PMLN regarding their honesty and general performance ??
Which party or leader will get maximum of anti-incumbency votes means anti government votes

 

[ziaulislam]

What's PTIs agenda for Pakistan if they win? Does anyone know?

read their manesfesto
they do you good minds

the trick is to get the right people for a job and let them do it without any political pressure/corruption/money laundering

smart people dont get involved if there is corruption, convincing them will be a problem to come in the first place

Why PPP lost election in 2013 !!!
---ESTB (Army,Bureaucracy, Judiciary)----Was not happy
---PPP was not the first choice of electables
---Anti-incumbency---General impression was that PPP did lot of corruption and did not do any thing for the betterment of the common people.Did not fix the problem of load shedding etc
Why PMLN won election in 2013 !!!
---ESTB (Army,Bureaucracy, Judiciary)----For them only alternative of PPP was PMLN
---PMLN was the first choice of electables
---Anti-incumbency- There was general impression that PPP did not do any thing. PMLN leadership is honest and experienced.They can solve the problem of common people.So 90 % anti incumbency vote went to PMLN.
So now question arises in 2018 election
which party or leader is favorite of ESTB( Army,Bureaucracy, Judiciary) ??
Which party is the first choice of electables ??
What is the general impression about the PMLN regarding their honesty and general performance ??
Which party or leader will get maximum of anti-incumbency votes means anti government votes

what do we see in this map?

1. no difference in sindh, northern punjab,
2. KPK which saw some PPPP seats wipped out by PTI
3. southern punjab clean swip by PML N
4. Baluchistan has very few seats any way and is mostly tribal

these points can be more explained on basis of local grievances of southern punjab and KPK as historic place of swing areas rather than establishment theory

this is a general pattern, yes PPPP got some unexpected votes here and there but by in large two swing areas of pakistan are KPK and southern punjab...
northern and central punjab and sindh remain unchange while Baluchistan is about buying votes

now look at 2002 election again, central punjab and sindh unchanged while KPK swung towards MMA, but this time rural areas(not swing areas) and urban both got to vote for MMA while southern punjab choose PPPP

PMLQ got 77(mostly eaten away PMLN)
PPPP 67 (again unchanged)
MMA 45(bigger party than today PTI)

so yes establishment will probably manipulate some votes here and there but strangely the place for manipulation is KPK and southern punjab

and they did a crappy job in 2002 creating "MMA" and letting PPPP win so many seats, also the establishment did crappy job in 2008

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

two swing areas of pakistan are KPK and southern punjab.

KPK can be a swing area but not southern Punjab. Southern Punjab is predominantly area of electables. Area purely of landlords,peers and sardars etc.Usually they look towards ESTB.

 

[ziaulislam]

If pti was able to get 60 to 70 seats, they can easily get the support of 90 or so electables.

1. PTI will end up with around 50 mostly from KPK, unless dramatic changes happen in punjab
2. Karachi is open and has 18 seats, nope MQM it is again
3. imran Khan took fata issue to Supreme Court and raise the voice of merger at every level , fata seats would go with imran Khan.? if the merger happens, which will not happen, FATA was always supporting IK
4. If pmln would have merged fata with kpk then pmln can form government in kpk but they didn't. nope they cant FATA candidates were till now independent
5. In kpk I can see change, people are buying imran's performance, atleast the young ones do, I think they would get if not more but retain current seats. correct
6. Now in Punjab they have to get 35 plus seats atleast . you need punjab card, urban educated class has rejected IK
7. Baluchistan has 9 seats, if 3 or 4 can be snatched. It's well and good. sorry mate its all tribal elected leaders who wills witch sides daily, for now its PPPP as they have most corrupt leaders
8. If Imran played well, win 60 plus seats, the next government is his....nope, we saw many parties getting into 70s without forming govt, he needs 100 atleast
9. But I am not hopeful from Punjab though I am myself punjabi. me neither
10. There is an illusion In Punjab, an illusion of development, which is very hard to remove. correct
11. A person living a miserable life, cannot send his childern to school, have not enough to eat, his childern die due to health care. pakistan ranks lowest in health and child mortality even lower than countries who have civil war and where people die of hunger

KPK can be a swing area but not southern Punjab. Southern Punjab is predominantly area of electables. Area purely of landlords,peers and sardars etc.Usually they look towards ESTB.

why did establishment wanted PPPP in 2002 and 2008? i wonder what was mushi doing letting establishment do waht ever they want to..i guess even in martial law establishment is stronger
crappy establishment..

PS:
if southern punajb voted for PPPP in 2002 and 2008

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

5 or 6 of Karachi's seats can be snatched from mqm and PSP

not 5-6 possibly 2-3 seats from karachi.But prospects are very bright for getting 2-3 seats from interior sindh

 

[Hrk19]

i hope nab and SC arrest most pmln and ppp for corruption so no one can vote for them

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

In kpk I can see change, people are buying imran's performance, atleast the young ones do, I think they would get if not more but retain current seats.

This time PTI would get more seats.Main reason is that in seventy years Sindh and Punjab were the center of all political activities.It happened first time that KPK became a very important political centre.PTI young lot representing their province on all forums.People listen them.Now they feel at least they have PTI which represent them in national politics.Now all most all electables and influential are converging in PTI.Possibility is that PTI will win easily majority seats from KPK and FATA.

 

[ziaulislam]

This time PTI would get more seats.Main reason is that in seventy years Sindh and Punjab were the center of all political activities.It happened first time that KPK became a very important political centre.PTI young lot representing their province on all forums.People listen them.Now they feel at least they have PTI which represent them in national politics.Now all most all electables and influential are converging in PTI.Possibility is that PTI will win easily majority seats from KPK and FATA.

PTI will take urban areas of KPK may be some rural areas, likley FATA will be contest between JUI/PTi but JUI realized that they missed the boat...hence their opposition to reforms in FATA

but FATA is still not known to have votes...as PMLN is keeping it from happening

punjab is the key, or atleast if another party can take both sindh and KPK(which was done previously by PPPP)
as long as sindh is jiya bhutto and punjab is punjabi nationlism...i dont see any other party coming ...even PPPP chances are gone as people of swing areas(KPK/southern punjab) know that PPPP no longer speak for them..zardari really destroyed any chance in KPK by repeatedly hurting pushtoon sentiments

 

[Muhammad Omar]

PMLN is winning in Center and Provincial government

 

[Pakistansdefender]

Why PPP lost election in 2013 !!!
---ESTB (Army,Bureaucracy, Judiciary)----Was not happy
---PPP was not the first choice of electables
---Anti-incumbency---General impression was that PPP did lot of corruption and did not do any thing for the betterment of the common people.Did not fix the problem of load shedding etc
Why PMLN won election in 2013 !!!
---ESTB (Army,Bureaucracy, Judiciary)----For them only alternative of PPP was PMLN
---PMLN was the first choice of electables
---Anti-incumbency- There was general impression that PPP did not do any thing. PMLN leadership is honest and experienced.They can solve the problem of common people.So 90 % anti incumbency vote went to PMLN.
So now question arises in 2018 election
which party or leader is favorite of ESTB( Army,Bureaucracy, Judiciary) ??
Which party is the first choice of electables ??
What is the general impression about the PMLN regarding their honesty and general performance ??
Which party or leader will get maximum of anti-incumbency votes means anti government votes

If you put down everything to Establishment . I don't deny it , but it effects to. Some extent not the way you are painting the picture.
Remember ppp whenever pushed by dictator came back hard again and again. Pppp was unstoppable. But once you give them complete 5 years to rule, they died due to their own performance.
What generals cannot do, what agencies cannot achieve, only 5 years of government of ppp has caused tgeir natural death.
What ppp did was the worst ever to this Country. They are of the view that things cannot improve and run the way they are.
So you have to realize the more these governments perform, the more civilian Supremacy they get . They can push the establishment back with their performance.

My thinking is that establishment still don't trust imran Khan, he is too unpredictable, unlike noora or showbaz.
He cannot be worked with, so they want a mixed setup...

 

[Kabira]

If pti was able to get 60 to 70 seats, they can easily get the support of 90 or so electables.
Pti has to get up quick.
Karachi is open and has 18 seats,
5 or 6 of Karachi's seats can be snatched from mqm and PSP.
In fata , imran Khan took fata issue to Supreme Court and raise the voice of merger at every level , fata seats would go with imran Khan.
If pmln would have merged fata with kpk then pmln can form government in kpk but they didn't.
In kpk I can see change, people are buying imran's performance, atleast the young ones do, I think they would get if not more but retain current seats.
Now in Punjab they have to get 35 plus seats atleast .
Baluchistan has 9 seats, if 3 or 4 can be snatched. It's well and good.
If Imran played well, win 60 plus seats, the next government is his....
But imran should realize that he has to play game with all its rules, this is not a game that has some laws or rules, winning is brutal and to win you have to crush every single law.
Imran has bent a lot of his rules .
He knows that to achieve something he has to be in power and to be in power he has to go dirty.
I see no one challenging ppp in sindh, I have met sindhis snd they almost weep saying ke "koi hamari Jan churwa day zardari se". It is fault of ppp and pti that they don't go to sindh. Sindh is ready, if someone challenge it.
I hope to see some change.
But I am not hopeful from Punjab though I am myself punjabi.
The level of thinking here even educated people is very faulty.
They don't know what is good or bad and they themselves are corrupt to the core just like their leaders.
There is going to be huge rigging as in 2013 . It is better to right elections yourself then to weep later at rigging.
Loadshedding is still a problem, I am not talking about Balochistan, wahan to bijli ho bhi to nhn daini ,even in winters interior punjab is suffering from long hours of load shedding and in summer it would really effect.
If Imran Khan meat with ppp then ready for the same result of qadri jalsa.
Prople of punjab are anti zardari, even anti bilawal in short anti pppp.
Also that voter, that was not ready to vote pti in 2018 , is now ready.
There is an illusion In Punjab, an illusion of development, which is very hard to remove.
A person living a miserable life, cannot send his childern to school, have not enough to eat, his childern die due to health care, spend what he earns on heavy rent, would grin and say, Taraqi bought hui hai punjab main....

Its stupid to think punjab will vote for pro terrorist party like PTI in 2018. Now after winning in KP they turned in to ANP 2.0, ethnic nationalist party. Taliban Khan have not changed in last 5 years. Its like expecting MQM to win any seat in punjab.