What will a secular pakistan look like?

[Bouncer]

I want a secular Pakistan. In Pakistan, mullahs have made out secularism to be this demon which its not. I want separation of state and mosque.

Pros;

1. Religious freedom. Despite what mullahs tell us, we'll have more freedom to practice our religions. Don't forget that we have different sects in Islam too. You can't possibly implement one version and leave a significant population at mercy of others.
2. If we look at the path our country is currently moving (and generally the entire Islamic world); different sects are at each other's throats. Everyone wants to implement their own version and eliminate the others. As things stand now, it seems that it will get worse with time. Secularism supports a better all inclusive democracy. Every citizen has same rights before the state.
3. Our religious bias has hampered our scientific growth to some extent. Fake sciences and miracles are sponsored at state level. After we have matured enough as a society with secularist values, this will stop.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I want a secular Pakistan... in a sense tht:

Mullahs are put in their place.

No discrimination on the basis of religion in the society.

Nationalism over religion.

1 NATION .. 1 DESTINATION ...

A WELFARE STATE.

QUAID'S PAKISTAN... NOT maududis.

 

[HariPrasad]

Kyun ke tum jaise log hamein chutyapon par majboor karte hain

Oh is it? All these is happening on the name of Islam is because of people like me/us? This is really funny and hilarious.

 

[Informant]

Oh is it? All these is happening on the name of Islam is because of people like me/us? This is really funny and hilarious.

Yes infidels like you

 

[HariPrasad]

Yes infidels like you

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!

Thanks.

I didn't know the meaning of infidel prior to you used it for me.

It added one more word into my vocabulary.

 

[Informant]

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!

I see someone still h as a broken sarcasm detector.

 

[HariPrasad]

I see someone still h as a broken sarcasm detector.

I like your Avatar more than your comment,

Who is that beauty?

 

[Cheetah786]

'Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State'.

Quaid-e-Azam

 

[FaujHistorian]

i didnt say anything about Shariah , and as far as indian muslims are concern they are living better from in some aspects , btu they dont have religious freedom and we have over religious free peoples ...

In Pakistan, Islamists don't spread freedom, they are spreading anarchy.

 

[Koovie]

Pakistan would be safer and more stable, more developed and overall a better place....

 

[Contrarian]

Islam has pretty much every secularist principle in it, shame our people have a completely fucked up, false and a wrong idea of what actually secularism is.

So does Hinduism, So does Sikhism, so does Budhism...and though I do not know much of Christianity, I am willing to bet a whole lot of money that they too have secularist principles in it. An enlightened Christian scholar would be able to easily show that.

And despite all of that, the reason why almost all have chosen a Secularist approach on a State level is to prevent abuse of minorities in the name of religion - wrongly.

You seem to be under an illusion that the rest have chosen secularism because of some inherent lack of secularism in their religion. Correct that notion in your head.

 

[Informant]

So does Hinduism, So does Sikhism, so does Budhism...and though I do not know much of Christianity, I am willing to bet a whole lot of money that they too have secularist principles in it. An enlightened Christian scholar would be able to easily show that.

And despite all of that, the reason why almost all have chosen a Secularist approach on a State level is to prevent abuse of minorities in the name of religion - wrongly.

You seem to be under an illusion that the rest have chosen secularism because of some inherent lack of secularism in their religion. Correct that notion in your head.

Way to overreach. My comment was in particulars to Islam and secularism. I dont care for other religions nor is it being discussed here.

Stop your pseudo intellectual horse shit.

 

[Contrarian]

Way to overreach. My comment was in particulars to Islam and secularism. I dont care for other religions nor is it being discussed here.

Stop your pseudo intellectual horse shit.

Pakistan does not exist in a void.

A parallel example is drawn to show that the kind of argument you made is the exact same argument that millions of followers of other faiths have made through the last 50 years in countless countries.

That their religion intrinsically supports freedom of faith 100% and therefore there is no need for Official Secularism in those countries. And yet the countries have chosen Secularism for State to ensure that religion is not twisted by motivated individuals to discriminate against minorities.

 

[Mugwop]

Secularism in Pakistan would speed up more development projects.

I believe we have bigger problems thou.

 

[Informant]

Pakistan does not exist in a void.

A parallel example is drawn to show that the kind of argument you made is the exact same argument that millions of followers of other faiths have made through the last 50 years in countless countries.

That their religion intrinsically supports freedom of faith 100% and therefore there is no need for Official Secularism in those countries. And yet the countries have chosen Secularism for State to ensure that religion is not twisted by motivated individuals to discriminate against minorities.

Jesus i am not going to answer that is on a different tangent than my comment. What you say isnt wrong but it isnt anywhere near the discussion at hand.