What the Israeli's think of Turkey

[Azadkashmir]

The Zionists are pieces of s***, but smart pieces of s***.

not smart it just the rest of goyum are to dumb and gullible. it is simple just throw out Rothschild central bank/usury.

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

No and I don't care.

Why are you like Iranians don't know how to remain in your land and country. Arabs did not want your rule , get over it. You were not some holy people to begin with.

Yeah true. Only Arabs and Israelites are holy people....

not smart it just the rest of goyum are to dumb and gullible. it is simple just throw out Rothschild central bank/usury.

That small amount of people are playing the world like a fiddle. However the problem is that even they know that if Turkey rises then their fairytale will come to an end.

It's stuffed up what Soros is doing to the West in particular. He is destroying it from within with liberalism and the entire population has no idea.

 

[-SINAN-]

No and I don't care.

He is trying to say we owe nothing to Muslims or Arabs, whoever we choose to deal with is our concern.

 

[Falcon29]

Yeah true. Only Arabs and Israelites are holy people....

You still don't get the point, you can mention as part of your history and appreciate your history but don't turn it into rage against Arabs and expect like the Iranians to have Arabs secede their lands to you.

Your guys did not accept Arab Muslim rule and wanted exclusive Turkish rule and Iranians likewise did not accept Arab Islamic rule and resorted to promoting Shia ideology to counter it. Are we gonna say you guys are backstabbers and request to give your lands, no we don't since we don't care about past. And we tolerated Turkish rule for a long period, showing you Arabs actually had no problems with other Muslims and would accept them as rulers.

He is trying to say we owe nothing to Muslims or Arabs, whoever we choose to deal with is our concern.

Indeed it is, but he is going on about something else. Turkey is balancing it's interests pretty well given what it is dealing with. But that's because it's leadership don't think like some Turkish guys on this forum.

I don't understand why the hate/paranoia towards Arabs when they are your best supporters in the region. I'm aware it's not you Sinan but other guys on forum like to hate on us even though Arabs make up most staunch supporters of Turkey and support your tourism industry.

 

[Sineva]

They are your Muslim Brothers dude. You guys need to sit and talk. Your friendship will hit Zions in their hearts

There is precious little "Brotherhood" of any sort to be seen or had between the rulers of the muslim world these days,indeed I dont think that the muslim world has ever looked so utterly divided and weak as it is now,no wonder that the west is able to bend it to its will so easily.

 

[Beny Karachun]

We had positive views for each other before the Mavi Marmara.... Now, there are lot of bad blood but everything can be repaired after the Sultan gets jailed for high treason.

P.S. This thread should have been opened at the ME section.

Mavi Marmara was justified, even if we launched a torpedo at it, for violating a sieged territory.

The people on board were attacking our soldiers, while our foolish government made them go there with paintball guns and a handgun for backup.

 

[Falcon29]

There is precious little "Brotherhood" of any sort to be seen or had between the rulers of the muslim world these days,indeed I dont think that the muslim world has ever looked so utterly divided and weak as it is now,no wonder that the west is able to bend it to its will so easily.

Muslims are not so much divided as they are chasing worldly goals. Actually Muslims have much more interpersonal discussion on average between others than non-Muslims do. All they need is to make God the center focus and they do not need to all combine into one body geographically. Maybe Arabs can only as they are big ethnic group with lots of related tribes and dealing with instability/division that is a result of splitting their lands.

 

[Nein]

Muslims are not so much divided as they are chasing worldly goals. Actually Muslims have much more interpersonal discussion on average between others than non-Muslims do. All they need is to make God the center focus and they do not need to all combine into one body geographically. Maybe Arabs can only as they are big ethnic group with lots of related tribes and dealing with instability/division that is a result of splitting their lands.

Two Muslims can share a prayer carpet but the world is not enough for two Kings.

Yavuz Sultan Selim

 

[Falcon29]

Two Muslims can share a prayer carpet but the world is not enough for two Kings.

Yavuz Sultan Selim

What's your point?

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

You still don't get the point, you can mention as part of your history and appreciate your history but don't turn it into rage against Arabs and expect like the Iranians to have Arabs secede their lands to you.

Your guys did not accept Arab Muslim rule and wanted exclusive Turkish rule and Iranians likewise did not accept Arab Islamic rule and resorted to promoting Shia ideology to counter it. Are we gonna say you guys are backstabbers and request to give your lands, no we don't since we don't care about past. And we tolerated Turkish rule for a long period, showing you Arabs actually had no problems with other Muslims and would accept them as rulers.



Indeed it is, but he is going on about something else. Turkey is balancing it's interests pretty well given what it is dealing with. But that's because it's leadership don't think like some Turkish guys on this forum.

I don't understand why the hate/paranoia towards Arabs when they are your best supporters in the region. I'm aware it's not you Sinan but other guys on forum like to hate on us even though Arabs make up most staunch supporters of Turkey and support your tourism industry.

Instead of replying with emotional and opinion let me smack some logic into this.

There is a huge power vacuum in the Middle East with three different factions trying to fight for dominance.

1. You have the Gulf-Israeli bloc fighting for a strong postion in the upcoming post-oil world.
2. The Iranian bloc which essentially wants a corridor into the mediterranean
3. The Turkish bloc which aims to secure the Eastern Mediterranean so Anatolia is at arms length from naval threats.

Shia, Sunni, Turkish rule, Arab rule.... none of this matters. It's not ideological. We are seeing Wahhabists working with Zionists. These three blocs are working for their own security and seeking control of most of the oil (there's still a long time until it finishes).

Ultimately that's the truth. The Arab nations are in bed with Israel whether you like it or not. Choose your block.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

As much as I dislike zionists, israelis and jews.

We sacrificed our relations with Israel for the Pallies. What did the Pallies do they spat on our face numerous times.

Kudus is a holy city of Islam does not mean I like Palestinians. Two faced backstabbers and we still send money to them. Humanism and the Ummah mentality is ruining us.

Palestinians dont show their ummah solidarity with us why do we have to??

We didn't break ties with Israel JUST for the Palestinians. Our strategic goals vis-a-vis the Middle East started to diverge too much. Especially their support of the PKK/YPG (along with the US) could no longer be overlooked. Turkey gave no military support to Palestine, it was limited to financial/humanitarian aid. Yet Israel's excessive and inhumane military attack on our ship Mavi Marmara in international waters, and murder of multiple unarmed Turks aboard was the last drop.

As for Palestinians "spitting on our face".... You need to keep in mind that Palestine survives on aid from the Arab League. Even though Palestinians by and large love and stand in solidarity with Turkey, their government must adhere to the majority sentiment in the Arab League. Sometimes they end up having no choice but to adhere to financial-political pressures from big backers like Saudi Arabia and UAE. However, both Turks and Palestinian authorities understand the situation and the fragile nature of things and continue to enjoy strong bilateral relations even despite such periodic "disagreements".

One of MANY examples:

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/palestinian-martyr-buried-wrapped-in-turkish-flag/1210274

 

[Nein]

What's your point?

Everybody wants to be at the top.

 

[Falcon29]

Everybody wants to be at the top.

That's not true, maybe for you guys and Iranians but we Arabs don't care for ruling other Muslims. Ironically, the ones calling for brotherhood on this forum are most obsessed about being on top and having other Muslims submit to them. And they get nasty about 'backstabbers' and 'Ummah brotherhood' if people reject your ideas for the region.

Pakistanis on this forum should see you guys for what you are. The ones that aren't even religious but obsessed with influence.

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

Mavi Marmara was justified, even if we launched a torpedo at it, for violating a sieged territory.

The people on board were attacking our soldiers, while our foolish government made them go there with paintball guns and a handgun for backup.

The Mavi Marmara attack was cowardly. It could have easily been stopped without civilian blood being spilt. By the way it will likely never be forgotten. In fact you united an entire nation against yourselves.

Perhaps if you didn't attempt something so stupid then the Oded Yinon plan could've gone unnoticed. However you essentially provoked the one country you shouldn't have. Even most secularists hate Israel now. The time is ticking for your block.

 

[xenon54 out]

The Israeli lobby was able to give Turkey leverage in Washington, before ties were soured

Thats the biggest loss, Erdo sacrificed this but i still dont know what he got in return.
Now he is clinging on some shaky deals with Russian for useless Sam's and ceasefire in Syria...