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What Pisses Me Off About The European Migrant Crisis

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As I've posted on the other thread Europeans need to stop whining so much.
 
No offense EU and US are responsible for this crisis. So screw your concern as you people took their homes away.
 
No offense EU and US are responsible for this crisis. So screw your concern as you people took their homes away.


The cold hard truth is that other muslims took their homes but some of you are so scared to face the reality of your deeds that you desperately blame others.
 
I thought US is big enough and should host more refugees, any thoughts?
They take in about the same as Germany annualy, I believe. But, for obvious reasons (think 'airport security'), a land route is often easiers for refugees and IMHO that keeps a good number for applying for the US.
 
The cold hard truth is that other muslims took their homes but some of you are so scared to face the reality of your deeds that you desperately blame others.
No the cold hearted truth is that war fueled by west put them on a spot where they had to choose a side. One side is running around with Westren weapons and others with rusxian. These people are suffering from Westren desperation to kick Russians out of syria.
 
No the cold hearted truth is that war fueled by west put them on a spot where they had to choose a side. One side is running around with Westren weapons and others with rusxian. These people are suffering from Westren desperation to kick Russians out of syria.
I suppose the Assad regime is an innocent victim? How does a civil war usually begin again?
 
good watch.

'Passionate' or 'Angry' these are the two things that come to mind when you first watch. His argument falls flat as he himself is the antithesis to his whole lore.

Humans generally compartmentalize history in order to rationalize or contextualize a narrative. We do not have to go too far in history to find modern narrative of the contemporary morass.

What happened in 2001 might have been a watershed moment but it was not start of history. However not considering that and what transpired in the aftermath cannot be ruled out as the preeminent causes. These dictators had been there since world war 2 and were for most part the useful idiots of the great power games. The problem is that West has still not found its niche contrary to what the guy was yapping for the last 2 centuries at least west has been fighting for socialism, Marxism, Communism, Fascism or Capitalism or for that matter religion and Secularism. All these combined have caused incalculable pain and suffering.

For some self righteous brat to yell and cringe for his liberty to speak and demand donations to keep him going only because he has hit a mental brick wall. The utopia is falling, the utopia is falling at the top his lungs! Is that the response of his 2000 years of discourse?

returning back to topic at hand, 'immigration'. Economy has 'always' been at core of immigration from time immemorial. West first benefited by exporting it's people to all corners of the world and benefited immensely. In fact it pulled west out of dark ages! Discovery and indeed colonization of the Americas was indeed a watershed moment in history. Later west benefited from immigration of cheap labor indeed slave labor from other parts of the world. Now this Hugh and cry can be put into perspective more because europe is at a cross roads and not because of anybody else's doing. The fall in demographics, wars of past century, debt cycle inhibiting family, sexual revolution breaking family, secular education breaking from tradition and religion. So finally it's all about the legacy and money. Pardon me for saying but the bankers and industrialists see only dollar signs with each and every migrant. A willing slave where natives are not reproducing fast enough! It's a harsh statement indeed but ask any of these migrants and they will pour their dreams out for you that may include and odd BMW and not to mention the remaining essentials or intricacies of life and all its entrapments.

And yes these migrants would have stayed put if not for the project started 15 years ago. So if not for anything else just for the sake of humanity people should be cared for! While Germans may ask Hungarians to keep them or evenly distribute people across Europe. So for those legacy hawks this is a price that must be paid.
 
The cold hard truth is that other muslims took their homes but some of you are so scared to face the reality of your deeds that you desperately blame others.
There is a solution. Europe should use its influence to force the Saudis and other GCC countries to accept these refugees and heavily fortify its coastal areas to prevent more refugees from entering Europe.

But then again this all depends on European governments. Its up to them to take the initiative. It seems more and more like they want these people in. Perhaps they have an agenda.
 
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Special Report on Immigration, the Economist, 5 January 2008

According to the Report of the Secretary-General on International migration and development, most international migrants are in the high-income developed countries, 91 million in 2005. Low and lower-middle income countries have 51 million international migrants. Migration flows are not solely from poor to rich countries, however: about a third of international migrants move from one developing country to another. The absolute number of international migrants is the highest in the United States, 39 million. The highest percentages of migrants in the labour force are found in the Gulf States, 90 percent in the United Arab Emirates, 86 percent in Qatar, 82 percent in Kuwait, 64 percent in Oman. In Europe, only Luxembourg approaches this level, with 45 percent of the labour force foreign.
The European Union allows labour migration between member states (with restrictions on the new member states), but inter-EU migration is relatively low. According to Eurostat, Luxembourg, seat of many European institutions, has the highest percentage of non-nationals (39%). Non-national does not always correspond to 'immigrant': Latvia (22% non-national) and Estonia (20%) have large non-citizen minorities of ex-Soviet citizens. Including these minorities, 5.5% of the total population of the EU was non-national.




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So that's the migration picture. Contrast it with the refugee picture. And the arguments to not take refugees.
 
They are refugees, not migrants - The Hindu

By referring to those reaching Europe’s shores as migrants, the European Union’s leaders are trying to mislead the public about the real nature of the crisis.
Europe is witnessing probably the greatest movement of people since the Second World War. Over the last several months, hundreds of thousands of men, women and children from Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Eritrea and Sub-Saharan Africa have been risking their lives each day in a bid to reach Europe. Thousands have perished in the attempt. The harrowing image of the body of three-year-old Aylan Kurdi washed ashore on the Turkish coastline has become the defining image of the humanitarian crisis that is presently unfolding. The crisis is only expected to worsen, with the United Nations forecasting that over 3,000 people a day will try to reach Western Europe alone in the next few months. The number of fatalities is also expected to rise. The increasing public attention being given to the situation in Europe has thrown into sharp focus the policies of several prominent European governments towards such displaced persons.

Consequence of terminology

As the crisis in the Mediterranean has unfolded, a number of European politicians and media houses have chosen to consistently refer it as a ‘migrant’ crisis. The majority of the men, women and children trying to reach European shores have been portrayed as economic migrants in search of a better life. In a bid to incite nationalistic tendencies, the displaced persons have been compared to marauders posing a threat to the standard of living and social structure of a privileged European society. The choice in terminology and the rhetoric that follows suit is not wholly without consequence, both legal and otherwise.

In law, the distinction between a refugee and a migrant is of great significance. First and foremost, refugees enjoy a distinct and unique standard of protection under international law. A refugee has been defined under the 1951 Refugee Convention of the UNHCR and its 1967 Protocol as any person who, “owing to a well founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside of the country of his nationality and is unable, or is owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself the protection of that country”. With the evolution of international refugee law, this definition of convention refugees has been expanded to cover persons who have fled their countries due to armed conflicts, internal turmoil and situations involving gross and systematic violation of human rights. Such persons are typically referred to as humanitarian refugees. Refugees enjoy certain special protections under law, such as safety from deportation to the country where they face persecution; protection of basic human rights without racial or religious discrimination, or of national origin; access to fair and efficient asylum procedures; provision of administrative assistance, and so on.

On the other hand, migrants (persons who choose to leave their home state, principally in search of a better life, as opposed to escaping some form of persecution, internal strife or armed conflict) do not enjoy any protection and/or privileges under international law. Countries are therefore at liberty to deal with migrants under their own immigration laws and processes.

Outside of the law, the choice of terminology is of critical importance in shaping the perception, attitudes and behaviour of the public at large and can impact the lives and safety of displaced persons. Being a migrant implies a choice, exercised voluntarily, to seek a better life from that offered in the home country, and not an involuntary act, brought on by the instinct of self-preservation — from the threat of persecution, internal strife or armed conflict in the home country. The latter is perceived, rightly or wrongly, to be a legitimate reason for movement across borders — one in which the world community has a shared collective interest. Therefore, the conflation of refugees with migrants can seriously undermine and prejudice the public support available to such displaced persons, one that is critical to the protection of such displaced persons.

Contrary to what some European leaders and media houses would have us believe, the crisis unfolding in the Mediterranean is mostly about refugees. The majority of the men, women and children are reportedly from Syria, Eritrea and Afghanistan — countries plagued by civil war, gross human rights violations and religious insurgency. This is not to suggest that no migrants are trying to reach Europe in search of a better life than that offered in their home country. Indeed, much of the displaced populations from Sub-Saharan Africa are migrants. Nevertheless, by using the expression ‘migrant crisis’ to broadly refer to the entire spectrum of the ongoing crisis in the Mediterranean, European leaders and media houses are trying to desensitise the public at large by misleading them about the real nature of the crisis unfolding therein.

(Jay Manoj Sanklecha is a graduate of the West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences, Kolkata, and is working with a law firm in Mumbai.)
 
Macedonia mulls fencing off border against migrants: Foreign Minister - The Hindu

Updated: September 10, 2015 16:11 IST
"But if we take seriously what Europe is asking us to do, we will need that, too. Either soldiers or a fence or a combination of the two," said Mr. Poposki
Macedonia is considering building a Hungarian-style border fence to stem a rising influx of migrants from the south, Foreign Minister Nikola Poposki was quoted as saying on Thursday.

In an interview with Hungarian business weekly Figyelo, he said Macedonia will probably also need "some kind of a physical defence" though this would not be a long-term solution.

"But if we take seriously what Europe is asking us to do, we will need that, too. Either soldiers or a fence or a combination of the two," said Mr. Poposki.

West European states like France and Germany have criticised Hungary's ongoing construction of a 175-km (108-mile) long, 3.5-metre (11.5-foot)-high fence along its border with Serbia to channel migrants to crossings where they can be registered.

Over 160,000 migrants have entered Hungary from the south this year, transiting Greece, Macedonia and Serbia in that order from war-torn or impoverished countries in the Middle East, Asia and Africa. Almost all seek to reach wealthier western and northern European Union states like Germany and Sweden.

A single-day record of 7,000 Syrian refugees crossed on Monday into Macedonia, a small and relatively poor former Yugoslav republic.

German Minister of State for Europe Michael Roth told the same newspaper that Germany expected countries to register migrants who entered the EU over their borders, but that fences were not the right approach.

"We must build a Europe where we protect freedom and guarantee security, but where there is no place for either fences or walls," Mr. Roth said.

Mr. Poposki said Macedonia was doing its best to register all migrants. "But whenever we take seriously what our European partners ask of us, trying to control the border and stop people, we immediately receive a negative international reaction," he added, echoing Hungarian complaints.
 
I have a question gentlemen, since nobody is asking it I might as well do it. The ruckus in Syria has been in the news, social media, etc. Now Syria is in the Middle East, what are those super rich Arab countries doing bout it? I'm not being a racist here or something but for the short time I had been a member here in PDF, I always read something here about helping out their brothers blah blah blah and more. Are we only good in rhetoric's that now millions of our fellow men from Syria needs our help we don't do anything? Why in the world are refugees pouring in Europe when there are dozens of other Middle Eastern neighbors that they can go to? Isn't Syrians shouting "down with the west" and all that just a few years back now they "MIGRATE" to Europe!??! I am just playing the Devil's Advocate here people and I do not intend to insult nor offend anyone.

Your inputs Gentlemen would be greatly appreciated.
 
I have a question gentlemen, since nobody is asking it I might as well do it. The ruckus in Syria has been in the news, social media, etc. Now Syria is in the Middle East, what are those super rich Arab countries doing bout it? I'm not being a racist here or something but for the short time I had been a member here in PDF, I always read something here about helping out their brothers blah blah blah and more. Are we only good in rhetoric's that now millions of our fellow men from Syria needs our help we don't do anything? Why in the world are refugees pouring in Europe when there are dozens of other Middle Eastern neighbors that they can go to? Isn't Syrians shouting "down with the west" and all that just a few years back now they "MIGRATE" to Europe!??! I am just playing the Devil's Advocate here people and I do not intend to insult nor offend anyone.

Your inputs Gentlemen would be greatly appreciated.

This article explains the problem very well. Unfortunately, it's mostly in German but the important parts are left in the original English:
Migranten aus Syrien: Die Menschen werden wieder einmal für geopolitische Zwecke missbraucht | www.konjunktion.info
 
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