What is SAP? and what certification to start with for a newbie in the field?

[Pakistani_Athiest]

You know what we call all the CS guys and software guys at our company, lol Mine workers bcz half the time they are in front of a computer or trying to get projects approved from their managers. Your whole argument is flawed as your comparing two different industries. gosh you need a consultant standing on your head right now lol

Why would a CS guy work in something as ridiculously non-technical and business oriented as SCM? SCM is about business, it's about enterprise, it's about utility, not COMPUTER SCIENCE. A CS guy working there should OBVIOUSLY be ridiculed to oblivion.

Oh wait! Did you confuse 'coders' to CS guy.

 

[desiman]

Why would a CS guy work in something as ridiculously non-technical and business oriented as SCM? SCM is about business, it's about enterprise, it's about utility, not COMPUTER SCIENCE. A CS guy working there should OBVIOUSLY be ridiculed to oblivion.

Oh wait! Did you confuse 'coders' to CS guy.

lol no i dint confuse CS guys for coders and how is SCM non-technical ? care to explain ? I hope you know that SCM is a whole industry in itself.

 

[Pakistani_Athiest]

lol no i dint confuse CS guys for coders and how is SCM non-technical ? care to explain ? I hope you know that SCM is a whole industry in itself.

Do they take an algorithm, several mugs of coffee, do the math, do computations to figure out how things can be made more efficient from a COMPUTATIONAL perspective? Do they work on cutting edge computer science. Do they deal with insane amount of Math? If so, it's technical. If so, it's CS.

If not, it's business/enterprise and it's IT. And the so-called CS people who work at IT/ITSM/Business Units are complete morons.

 

[Pakistani_Athiest]

Dude, I am not saying IT is useless. It's useful indeed. IT is business, its application. IT creates an economic boom, not CS. IT creates jobs for CS people. I am aware of all of that.

But IT is not technically or Mathematically challenging like CS. It's more about management, organization, running your team effectively, using tools effectively. It requires other skills. Not Math or Computer Science or hardcore logical analysis.

 

[desiman]

You keep saying CS guys are easy to replace, and that just makes me laugh so hard. That's what happens when you work in a totally non-technical environment for EONS. You need to stop working on shitty SCM and get into SOME REAL HARDCORE stuff. Goto Blizzard and tell them "it's easy to replace CS people". Or Microsoft. Or Sun (Now Oracle). Before you finish that statement, you will find yourself replaced.

Yes Sir. IT requires skill. That's why we have people from mechanical/chemical/electrical/electronics enter this field. And we have many people faking their experience and still doing fine. That only shows how hard this field is

Sir i have worked in this industry long enough to know who can be replaced and who cannot be. CS guys are routinely changed at Microsoft and Sun, infact most of the CS part is now done in India where hiring and firing isnt a big thing. Your making it sound like CS is the ideal profession where you have the best job, best pay and most security. CS jobs are as good or bad as any other. CS guys arent that special as your making them out to be. They rarely make it to the management level and are often scapegoated. Like it or not, IT guys are lead the IT related departments at any organization and it will stay that way mainly because of the sound business knowledge they bring to the table. By your reasoning every department could just hire engineers or CS guys to do their work. CS might be mathematically brilliant but are not part of the core business model. I dont know why you are arguing about hard or tough as it makes no sense. The job of the CIO is the easiest but can you replace him ??????? HR is often the easiest job, can you put engineers as HR heads ???? Your argument itself is flawed and it seems like your justifying your job function rather than reinforcing it. Bro there are other people here also who have worked in this industry for a long long time, im sure they know as much or more than you.

 

[desiman]

Dude, I am not saying IT is useless. It's useful indeed. IT is business, its application. IT creates an economic boom, not CS. IT creates jobs for CS people. I am aware of all of that.

But IT is not technically or Mathematically challenging like CS. It's more about management, organization, running your team effectively, using tools effectively. It requires other skills. Not Math or Computer Science or hardcore logical analysis.

thats still a better way of putting it, IT is IT and CS is CS. Challenging or not depends on the person. Both require different skills and different types of people. Calling one inferior to the other is unfare and unjust. I hope we have reached a conclusion now. lol

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Do they take an algorithm, several mugs of coffee, do the math, do computations to figure out how things can be made more efficient from a COMPUTATIONAL perspective? Do they work on cutting edge computer science. Do they deal with insane amount of Math? If so, it's technical. If so, it's CS.

If not, it's business/enterprise and it's IT. And the so-called CS people who work at IT/ITSM/Business Units are complete morons.

i dont want to go into details but you must visit me once, ill show you whats technical in SCM lol

 

[Pakistani_Athiest]

Sir i have worked in this industry long enough to know who can be replaced and who cannot be. CS guys are routinely changed at Microsoft and Sun, infact most of the CS part is now done in India where hiring and firing isnt a big thing. Your making it sound like CS is the ideal profession where you have the best job, best pay and most security. CS jobs are as good or bad as any other. CS are that special as your making them out to be. They rarely make it to the management level and are often scapegoated. Like it or not, IT guys are lead the IT related departments at any organization and it will stay that way mainly because of the sound business knowledge they bring to the table. By your reasoning every department could just hire engineers or CS guys to do their work. CS might be mathematically brilliant but are not part of the core business model. I dont know why you are arguing about hard or tough as it makes no sense. The job of the CIO is the easiest but can you replace him ??????? HR is often the easiest job, can you put engineers as HR heads ???? Your argument itself is flawed and it seems like your justifying your job function rather than reinforcing it. Bro there are other people here also who have worked in this industry for a long long time, im sure they know as much or more than you.

Dude, you keep on saying that CS people get fired. Here, I am kinda in middle-level management of a CS department. I know what kinda havoc will be caused by our CS guy quitting. You are continuing to tell me he is replaceable when I know he is not!

Again and again I am asking you this. WHY. WOULD. A. CS. GUY. WORK. AT. ENTERPRISE. Simpel Point -> If he works there, he will obviously be replaceable. Since he is not needed there PERIOD.

CS guys work mostly in R and D places/labs/department. And there, they are truely unreplaceable.

 

[Pakistani_Athiest]

i dont want to go into details but you must visit me once, ill show you whats technical in SCM lol

What Mathematical principles are used in SCM? Do you have serious computational crunches. Do you come up with requirements like the number of CPU cycles must range between p and q, the memory will be limited? Do you have NP complete and incomplete approaches? Do you do Linear Algebra, like crazy?

Are your constraints guided by business or not? If it's a business based constraint, 99.9999999% chances are that it's IT not CS.

Also tell me who your stake-holders are?

Ultimate litmus test that a field is technical. Show me 10 people who were awared PhD. in CS because of a thesis related to SCM [from 2006 to 2010, because the field had technical constraints in its infancy].

 

[Pakistani_Athiest]

Dude, I worked in IT. I am really good at drafting and organization. I was having an easy life. I was about to be a PM soon. I know how fun it can be, and how challenging sometimes to manage things like "clash between expectations of two stakeholders". Been there, done that.

But I din't study Math and Science, do my engineering to deatl with this. I was just letting my acumen and technical skills rust. Therefore, I transitioned back to CS. It was hard. I even had to take a break from work, do a masters in CS, so that I can work in a research lab. But I did that, and I am glad I went through that.

 

[desiman]

Dude, you keep on saying that CS people get fired. Here, I am kinda in middle-level management of a CS department. I know what kinda havoc will be caused by our CS guy quitting. You are continuing to tell me he is replaceable when I know he is not!

Again and again I am asking you this. WHY. WOULD. A. CS. GUY. WORK. AT. ENTERPRISE. Simpel question. If he works there, he will obviously be replaceable. Since he is not needed there PERIOD.

CS guys work mostly in R and D places/labs/department. And there, they are truely unreplaceable.

Who told you that i work in an enterprise firm ?????? this is where i work -

Welcome To Textron

Im sure i know if we have an R & D department, our whole company is about continuous R & D and we have numerous labs with one opening in Navi Mumbai in 2013 and a related one in Bangalore.

Dude CS guys are mostly on contract and most of the time they dont get an extension mainly because the company wants new minds. Just look through the careers section for CS related jobs and you can see most of them are 2-3 year contracts. Dude its a fact and learn to accept it. Its just like any other research related jobs, until and unless your th team lead or the head of a sensitive project, researchers and your CS guys are replaced to allow for new ideas to flow through the company. When i say management i dont mean management at the departmental level but at the corporate or upper management level. Senior consultants or IT personnel are often featured in upper management where they can go as high as being the CIO or Chief Information officer or even CEO's in some cases. I dont know about your one guy who is not replaceable but i have seen many come and go at my place lol

 

[desiman]

What Mathematical principles are used in SCM? Do you have serious computational crunches. Do you come up with requirements like the number of CPU cycles must range between p and q, the memory will be limited? Do you have NP complete and incomplete approaches? Do you do Linear Algebra, like crazy?

Are your constraints guided by business or not? If it's a business based constraint, 99.9999999% chances are that it's IT not CS.

Also tell me who your stake-holders are?

Ultimate litmus test that a field is technical. Show me 10 people who were awared PhD. in CS because of a thesis related to SCM [from 2006 to 2010, because the field had technical constraints in its infancy].

Your asking way to many questions to be answered in one post brother, the term " Technical" is not all the time related to math or computers, the business world is must more than that. Again your PHD argument is totally not related to the subject, your diluting the issue.

 

[desiman]

Dude, I worked in IT. I am really good at drafting and organization. I was having an easy life. I was about to be a PM soon. I know how fun it can be, and how challenging sometimes to manage things like "clash between expectations of two stakeholders". Been there, done that.

But I din't study Math and Science, do my engineering to deatl with this. I was just letting my acumen and technical skills rust. Therefore, I transitioned back to CS. It was hard. I even had to take a break from work, do a masters in CS, so that I can work in a research lab. But I did that, and I am glad I went through that.

im glad you were in IT but i doubt that because IT that im talking about is not at all related to drafting or organization and its not an easy life by any standards. Which stakeholders are you talking about ???? your being to vague in your statements again. Wherever you were and whatever you did seems quite distant from the IT im talking about.

 

[harrymohan]

By god still fighting!! things get out of hand in anything, be it a defence or career

 

[desiman]

By god still fighting!! things get out of hand in anything, be it a defence or career

i know ehh, this forum needs a consultant for sure

 

[DesiGuy]

Man, just love this thread.


thanks to atmi chu.. for creating this thread! (just kidding)