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What is Chinese High-speed Railway Network like by April 2016? Marching towards 20,000km benchmark!

It is awe inspiring what China does.. There is no match for China when it comes to infra development but are these trains viable?
Actually in the global market, u can only find profitable(or at least not so unprofitable) high-speed railways in East Asia, China and Japan, the latter one supported by high prices and extremely high density of passengers. A lot of trunk routes in China are profitable, for example Shanghai-Beijing HSR, though the prices of Chinese high-speed railway are the cheapest. One km costs around 0.28 yuan for 200-250km/h trains and 0.43 yuan for 300-350km/h trains. (1yuan=10 rupees)
 
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Actually in the global market, u can only find viable high-speed railways in East Asia, China and Japan, the latter one supported by high prices and extremely high density of passengers. A lot of trunk routes in China are profitable, for example Shanghai-Beijing HSR, though the prices of Chinese high-speed railway are the cheapest. One km costs around 0.28 yuan for 200-250km/h trains and 0.43 yuan for 300-350km/h trains. (1yuan=10 rupees)

Amazing! Most Indians would be able to easily afford this. Even if we add on the Chinese royalties and extra expenses for construction in India, still the HSR from China would have been profitable because as per my estimates Indians would gladly pay 0.5 yuan (close to double) for 250 km/h trains.

I think India made a mistake by going for Japanese option but perhaps China wasn't willing to offer favourable financial loans which Japan offered.
 
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Amazing! Most Indians would be able to easily afford this. Even if we add on the Chinese royalties and extra expenses for construction in India, still the HSR from China would have been profitable because as per my estimates Indians would gladly pay 0.5 yuan (close to double) for 250 km/h trains.

I think India made a mistake by going for Japanese option but perhaps China wasn't willing to offer favourable financial loans which Japan offered.
When the first long-distance high-speed railway was opened in 2009 (from my city to Guangzhou, nearly 1000km in 3-4 hours, cost about 450-500yuan), "experts" thought nobody would afford it. But surprisingly, the majority, especially young people, business people and tourists took no time turning to bullet trains from airplanes. The number of trains for one-way increased to more than 100 per day, that is every 5-10 minutes a train from 6am to 8pm, with the number of flights shrinking to one digit. Several years have past, the salary of a non-skilled migrant worker for iPhone jumped to 4000-5000 yuan per month at least, then who cares about 460yuan/1000km/3hours??? The busiest corridor is Shanghai-Nanjing, 2 HSRs, nearly 300 trains one-way per day on normal weekdays, 1-1.5 hours/300km/130yuan, anybody interested in 4 hours coaches? But mind those interest groups like coach company or air industry, cause HSRs can be slaughtering both. They have successfully done a lot of bad stuff in China.

HSR station in Western China, Chengdu
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HSR station in Eastern China, Hangzhou
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I can't read Chinese, but i could straight away find one important thing, i was looking for. The train is powered by 16 motors and has combined output on rails of more than 5 MW.
Let me search my sources and put up some data here.
Glad it helps.
CRH6A is already in commercial operation on intercity HSRs, 8 cars, 4M4T, can be connected to 16 cars.
The interior design is much more succinct and less luxurious than 350km/h trains, but of course much cheaper.
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Amazing! Most Indians would be able to easily afford this. Even if we add on the Chinese royalties and extra expenses for construction in India, still the HSR from China would have been profitable because as per my estimates Indians would gladly pay 0.5 yuan (close to double) for 250 km/h trains.

I think India made a mistake by going for Japanese option but perhaps China wasn't willing to offer favourable financial loans which Japan offered.

There is plenty opportunity in the future for China-India to cooperate in high speed rail project in India and why you think it's a mistake to go with Japan option, because of the cost?

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沪昆高铁, enjoy :enjoy:

 
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There is plenty opportunity in the future for China-India to cooperate in high speed rail project in India and why you think it's a mistake to go with Japan option, because of the cost?

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沪昆高铁, enjoy :enjoy:

End of this year? So it means the last days of December....I thought it could be inaugurated in the summer vacation :( Such a huge stimulus for domestic tourism in Southwest China. I don't think the 2000+ hotels and hostels in the ancient town of Lijiang are sufficient for the coming tourism boom.
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No, that's recently taken, I believe, after renovation.
I believe my photos are new, the same railway photographer who took the same photos one year ago.
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@TaiShang The ticket price of this Great Wall DMU from downtown Beijing to Badaling Great Wall is very cheap, less than one US dollar one-way.
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There is plenty opportunity in the future for China-India to cooperate in high speed rail project in India and why you think it's a mistake to go with Japan option, because of the cost?

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沪昆高铁, enjoy :enjoy:

China donot need to build high speed railway in India, India has very bad capability to maintain railway,never mention high speed railway.that will bring lots of unexpected risks. Specially the India government and media have much prejudice to China products,if we build the railway and considered Indians bad maintaining,the chance of accident is very high,China would undoubtedly be blamed by the whole country AGAIN and AGAIN,and that would destroy our high speed railway reputation.Therofore,There is no need to do that job with little profit and high risk.
Let Japan do this job,and I think the Chinese Railway knows that,they just express the interest politely but never take action.
 
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China donot need to build high speed railway in India, India has very bad capability to maintain railway,never mention high speed railway.that will bring lots of unexpected risks. Specially the India government and media have much prejudice to China products,if we build the railway and considered Indians bad maintaining,the chance of accident is very high,China would undoubtedly be blamed by the whole country AGAIN and AGAIN,and that would destroy our high speed railway reputation.Therofore,There is no need to do that job with little profit and high risk.
Let Japan do this job,and I think the Chinese Railway knows that,they just express the interest politely but never take action.

That's what Japanese think of this world by keeping their high speed train for themselves for over decades and until China came out and offer it to the world. China should have no fear to cooperate with India, we have already sold other subway train to India, high speed won't make any different, sure Indian can blame on our bad quality product if that's the case but it's China job to demonstrate to the world that it can compete and bring high quality standard to it product.


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@anant_s @AndrewJin i have one question for you .

Can we use Metro Rails as Mini Bullet Trains in India ?


with speed of 120 KMPH these cuties are cheap.
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Hi,
The speed you have mentioned do not require advanced technologies like bullet train.
We need to understand a basic engineering and design difference between Bullet or HST and metro trains.
metro trains are designed as frequently start stop mode of transport essentially meaning it caters to closely spaced stations, requiring quick braking and acceleration.
HSTs on other hand travel fairly long distance between halts, as a result these are designed to sustain higher momentum with distributed power (several motors) and larger capacity Transformers. as a result these although being heavier than metros, can travel much faster in a sustained manner, but require specially designed tracks (straighter lines with gentler curves), Signalling and Train Protection and Over head electrification (OHE).
Metro or suburban trains on other hand are lighter (to quickly obtain and loose speeds).
So while basic traction is more or less the same, the difference lies in requirement of operation.
 
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we can use them as Intercity Railways
HST becomes economically viable and useful normally on long distance travel.
If you use this niche technology without considering means to reduce capital cost, urban travel which has a limitation on fares (to compete with other modes such as radio cabs), the return on equity becomes so less that you may not be eventually able to break even.
this is one economic consideration of using cheaper (comparison with HST) urban transport train sets within city limits.


Thats Great Wall of China, isn't it in background.

I have a similar image (Coach livery), i took long time back, sharing with your permission. Mumbai New Delhi Rajdhani Express (12951).
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That's what Japanese think of this world by keeping their high speed train for themselves for over decades and until China came out and offer it to the world. China should have no fear to cooperate with India, we have already sold other subway train to India, high speed won't make any different, sure Indian can blame on our bad quality product if that's the case but it's China job to demonstrate to the world that it can compete and bring high quality standard to it product.


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I donot oppose to export high speed railway, India is very high risky market,look at the failed destiny of other western companies such as Walmart and Mcdonalds ,there is very few foreign companies can succeed in this CLOSED market.
I have confidence of our railway products,but the risk of India market is too high ,and the subway is different from high speed railway, the latter is much faster. By the way, I donot think Japanese can do this job well. Furthermore,the India government will not consider our high speed railway because of the sour grape,and I am happy to see that.
 
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@anant_s @AndrewJin i have one question for you .

Can we use Metro Rails as Mini Bullet Trains in India ?


with speed of 120 KMPH these cuties are cheap.
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for Short Distance Jurny OFC like B/w delhi Agra, Parna Varanasi, Varanasi Prayag, Ahmedabad Gandhinagar, Chandigadh Ludhiana etc etc.
I would argue slightly differently with @anant_s
For speed over 200-250km/h, referred to trunk routes, as @anant_s has mentioned with larger intervals between stations, the answer is undoubtedly no.

But for intercity railway networks, frankly speaking, there won't be too many differences between 160km/h and 200km/h. I think you can use metro cars on such semi-HSR routes if the total distance is within 100-150km. Look at the case in Tokyo, you'll find there is no limit between metro and railways, they are on the same route, where the highest speed can reach 140-160km/h (yes, the cars are quite shaking). Signalling is really not that important, there are multiple signalling systems on a lot of Chinese railways to cater for different speeds.

The case in China is, the designed speed of a lot of intercity HSRs is 250km/h, in some cases even 350km/h. The reason is, a lot of intercity HSRs will be eventually prolonged and form a 300-350km/h trunk route. They are "primers" of future mega-projects, built and financially supported by local governments for better "equipping" themselves in the negotiation for another 1000km long trunk route. Even such "primer" fails at last, then, you can have 160km-200km/h trains stop by stop every 10 minutes, and in the meantime 250-300km/h train non-stop hourly.

Another trend here is to design a train which can travel on non-electrified railways, electrified railways as well as metro lines, or two of the three features combined.

This is the high-speed railway network around my hometown with the number indicating distance between stations.
U probably can have a sense of the organisation of trunk routes and intercity routes. All the short distance intercity lines (coloured brown or grey) will be extended to Shanghai/Nanjing/Xiamen 1000+km away. And in China, people mostly use metro and buses in suburban commuting, compared to extensive use of suburban railways in India and Japan. My city has currently 4 metro lines in operation, 2 to be inaugurated in 2016 and 10+ under construction.
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Intercity HSR in the city of Xiaogan which is 50-60km from my hometown, Wuhan, Central China
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Amazing! Most Indians would be able to easily afford this. Even if we add on the Chinese royalties and extra expenses for construction in India, still the HSR from China would have been profitable because as per my estimates Indians would gladly pay 0.5 yuan (close to double) for 250 km/h trains.

I think India made a mistake by going for Japanese option but perhaps China wasn't willing to offer favourable financial loans which Japan offered.

The Chinese weren't offering free money like the Japanese
 
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That's what Japanese think of this world by keeping their high speed train for themselves for over decades and until China came out and offer it to the world. China should have no fear to cooperate with India, we have already sold other subway train to India, high speed won't make any different, sure Indian can blame on our bad quality product if that's the case but it's China job to demonstrate to the world that it can compete and bring high quality standard to it product.


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Bro, India have already started to blame China for its bad quality. The last time I checked, they blamed China's shoddy work.

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/repo...rs-leakage-due-to-rain-in-first-month-1999169
 
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