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What If There's India-Pakistan Nuclear War?

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There are close to 30 million Pravasi Bharatiyas spread across the globe. Push comes to shove they can and will come back and rebuild the motherland.

But if you push us, we will make sure Islam will be wiped off the face of the subcontinent. Clean. For posterity. Have no doubt about that my friend.

We will right a historical wrong. And make sure there is zero desert contaminant on our sacred soil moving forward.

Yeah @Oscar this is for you too buddy. Amrika mein baith kar bachao bachao gaana.

@User @Zibago for you too brothers. Just so we understand each other ....

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Your dreams and mental masturbation can continue, but real life reality is hard for you child. Read this full post

What about the Hindus settled in USA, USSR, UK, AUSTRALIA, SOUTH AFRICA, GULF COUNTRIES and other countries... you gonna nuke them also ?


Lol, as they say "Dil ki tasali k liye, ye khayal b theek hai Ghalib"

If indian subcontinent is gone, Hinduism as a viable religion goes with it. It'll become like ancient Greek Mythology whereby we'll know the "characters" and myths of Hinduism, but with time its memory will fade away and it'll only stay alive in television and pop culture arts (if that).

ALL sacred places, symbols of Hinduism are in India. It's sacred texts revolve around India and geographic landmarks of the land. ALL the myths, stories, writings, holy festivals etc are in India and involve Indian landmass. Moreover, 98% of Hinduism's followers reside in India.

So if India is gone (hypothetically)---so does the ancient religious mythology known as Hinduism.

There are not even 30 million Hindus outside Indian subcontinent. Also, even for Hindus who are outside India, they need India for their religious imagination as a community. No religion survives in diaspora alone without some tangible axis-mundi (Term used in religious studies. Google it). And Axis-Mundi for Hinduism is India.

Hindus outside India learn their knowledge, practices, history, culture, and sense of community w.r.t Hinduism all from India. Without India, all of that would fade away with few generations over couple of centuries at maximum.

Only faiths are not possible to destroy via military means are Christianity and Islam--because they are the only global faiths (NOT diaspora, but actual global, multi-continental religions having billions across the world with tens upon tens of nations, cultures, countries following them on mass level). Unless there is a mass, all-out nuclear war between all nuclear powers--which ends the humanity as we know it--Islam and Christianity will stay the largest, most global religions impossible to remove via military means.

Religions like Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, etc can be "technically" annihilated via mass murder (Holocaust etc), nuclear war involving two, three nations and so on.

But bottom line is that there's not going to be any conventional war between India and Pakistan, let alone nuclear war. Hell, there wasn't even any actual surgical strike on Pakistan--so lets not waste time by imagining apocalyptic scenarios.
 
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Because it helps Pakistan locally to do the acceptable framing for first strike on India.

that is what I am trying to say. For an average Pakistani Religion comes first before the nation. they will be more happy with Hinduism destruction Vis a Vi India's Destruction. They tend to forget 180 M muslims in india or A.P.J. Abdul Kalam the "Muslim" father of India's Nuclear and the Missile program.

This is the phenomenon I am trying to understand, Why religion over nation? And this is not only for Pakistanis. You ask a Hindu if he is Hindu First or Indian First he will not hesitate for a second in saying Hindu First. the same question when put to a Muslim will lead to different answer

It's your responsibility to voice against your pathetic media's war hysteria. You can not fight a conventional war with us without sustaining extreme losses on your military, infrastructure, economy, and population. Neither can we. But we are not the one making fairy tales about surgical strikes and what not to make our gullible people satisfy. It's India's doing (and your poor military is now paying the price of your gimmicks by getting hammered at LoC through our artillery, mortars, and before you know it, there might be another militant attack on you deep inside occupied Kashmir)

the media reflects the general publics mood. Had there not been terrorist attacks in Mumbai, Pathankot, Uri etc etc do you think there will be this hysteria to give Pakistan a lesson. You say our media is obsessed with Pakistan Have you ever wondered why? There are so many other neighbours of India - Bangladesh, Bhutan, Nepal, Myanmar, China, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka. There is hardly any coverage of these countries. And 99% of the coverage of Pakistan is because of terrorist Attacks.

But whatever it be our Media never uses the N-word. No body in Media or Govt ever talks about Nuking Pakistan. It is the Pakistani govt and media which talks about Nuking India. Which BTW is the subject of this thread.

In a conventional war we will no doubt suffer some losses but not in the level that you are saying. We have the capacity to easily absorb these losses. It is not us who wants to escalate it into a Nuclear war. However if it does we will respond by our own Nukes.
 
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Your dreams and mental masturbation can continue, but real life reality is hard for you child. Read this full post




Lol, as they say "Dil ki tasali k liye, ye khayal b theek hai Ghalib"

If indian subcontinent is gone, Hinduism as a viable religion goes with it. It'll become like ancient Greek Mythology whereby we'll know the "characters" and myths of Hinduism, but with time its memory will fade away and it'll only stay alive in television and pop culture arts (if that).

ALL sacred places, symbols of Hinduism are in India. It's sacred texts revolve around India and geographic landmarks of the land. ALL the myths, stories, writings, holy festivals etc are in India and involve Indian landmass. Moreover, 98% of Hinduism's followers reside in India.

So if India is gone (hypothetically)---so does the ancient religious mythology known as Hinduism.

There are not even 30 million Hindus outside Indian subcontinent. Also, even for Hindus who are outside India, they need India for their religious imagination as a community. No religion survives in diaspora alone without some tangible axis-mundi (Term used in religious studies. Google it). And Axis-Mundi for Hinduism is India.

Hindus outside India learn their knowledge, practices, history, culture, and sense of community w.r.t Hinduism all from India. Without India, all of that would fade away with few generations over couple of centuries at maximum.

Only faiths are not possible to destroy via military means are Christianity and Islam--because they are the only global faiths (NOT diaspora, but actual global, multi-continental religions having billions across the world with tens upon tens of nations, cultures, countries following them on mass level). Unless there is a mass, all-out nuclear war between all nuclear powers--which ends the humanity as we know it--Islam and Christianity will stay the largest, most global religions impossible to remove via military means.

Religions like Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, etc can be "technically" annihilated via mass murder (Holocaust etc), nuclear war involving two, three nations and so on.

But bottom line is that there's not going to be any conventional war between India and Pakistan, let alone nuclear war. Hell, there wasn't even any actual surgical strike on Pakistan--so lets not waste time by imagining apocalyptic scenarios.

Moron, less than a hundred thousand Parsis in an alien land kept their faith alive over a thousand years when all was killed on their ancestral land.

Moron, we are talking about 30 million Hindus here.

Moron, after Hitler killed 6 million Jews, 25 million still have the lizard race by the short and curlies.

That's jhaant ke baal in Pakistani btw.

Cheers.
 
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Moron, less than a hundred thousand Parsis in an alien land kept their faith alive over a thousand years when all was killed on their ancestral land.

Moron, we are talking about 30 million Hindus here.

Moron, after Hitler killed 6 million Jews, 25 million still have the lizard race by the short and curlies.

That's jhaant ke baal in Pakistani btw.

Cheers.

Idiot, who even knows 'parsi' faith today? Hell, there's no even demographic reports on them because they are an utter, irrelevant cult. There are cults worshipping ancient greek gods today as well--do we think ancient Greek gods are still relevant?

If you are willing to become a backwater, unknown, irrelevant religion going from 1 billion followers to having couple of millions--that too scattered as minorities all over the world with no identity of their own...you are welcome you ugly hindu :lol:

Majority of hindus in West don't even give a shit about their stupid mythical bullsh!t called hinduism. Surveys show that huge number of "hindus" don't even believe in God or any religion. They are just indians abroad.

Look PEW's report on religion in US.

Anyways, I am done wasting my time with a garbage collector like you. F*ck off now:smokin:
 
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Pakistani Military and Establishment are well aware that in case of any full scale war, Pakistani Military would suffer the most because Pakistan cant win any war with India , Be it military wise, economic wise, religious wise etc.

By the way, Nearly 60 per cent of the Chinese think that territorial dispute between China and its neighbouring countries could lead to a military conflict.

Pakistani establishment and Military should understand that the unity which the Indians have exhibited since the 1750 A.D is still there in thier hearts and minds and they will fight for their pride and dignity of the Indian nation.
 
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Pakistani Military and Establishment are well aware that in case of any full scale war, Pakistani Military would suffer the most because Pakistan cant win any war with India , Be it military wise, economic wise, religious wise etc.

By the way, Nearly 60 per cent of the Chinese think that territorial dispute between China and its neighbouring countries could lead to a military conflict.

Pakistani establishment and Military should understand that the unity which the Indians have exhibited since the 1750 A.D is still there in thier hearts and minds and they will fight for their pride and dignity of the Indian nation.

India was more united under great Islamic rule.

Further, great unity I see after 1750...So much unity that india ended up getting divided into three :lol:

You are talking about unity exhibited by "left over" hindustan :azn:
 
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:P health industry will flourish in few country

Simple. There will be no Pakistan left and major damage to India but it will survive.

,mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh getting finished is better than surviving with deformed zombie population
 
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India was more united under great Islamic rule.

Further, great unity I see after 1750...So much unity that india ended up getting divided into three :lol:

You are talking about unity exhibited by "left over" hindustan :azn:

Majority of Indians were against the partition and now even you can see that all the SAARC member countries except Pakistan works together.

Director General, BSF, K K Sharma and his Bangladeshi counterpart Aziz Ahmed, DG, BGB shakes hands after a group photograph during the India-Bangladesh Border Co-ordination conference at BSF headquarters in New Delhi.

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You are mistaken. Once we start pounding you we won't stop until we have made certain you seize to exist. You can mark my words on that.
You have around 120 nukes. Even if you use all your nukes you wont be able to destroy the vast landmass and population of India.

And do you seriously think that we will just be sitting there and not using our nukes. Just after the first strike we will be launching a crippling second strike and you wont know what hit you.
 
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What will happen if India-Pakistan break into a nuclear war
Pakistani army's advocacy of Indian disinclination to retaliate massively indicates a flawed analysis or is just a bluff.
POLITICS
| 6-minute read | 07-10-2016

GURMEET KANWAL

@gurmeetkanwal



Strategic stability

Following the terrorist strike in Uri, several Pakistanis, including Khawaja Asif, the defence minister, have held out nuclear threats to deter Indian military retaliation.

They have been particularly vocal in holding out the threat of employment of tactical nuclear warheads (TNWs) against Indian forces. For almost three decades, India has shown immense strategic restraint despite grave provocation from Pakistan.

However, first in Pathankot in January 2016 and then in Uri in September 2016, India’s red lines were crossed and the government was left with no option but to include calibrated military measures in its response.

Strategic stability is a product of deterrence stability, crisis stability and arms race stability in the context of a hostile political relationship between two nations. The state of strategic stability in South Asia has for long been a cause of concern for the international community due to Pakistan’s proxy war against India.

Pakistan’s "first use" doctrine, quest for full spectrum deterrence, the development of TNWs as weapons of warfighting, the army’s control over nuclear decision-making and the risk that nuclear weapons may fall into jihadi hands, are all causes of instability. Hence, overall, the state of relations between the two countries may be described as "ugly stability", a term coined by Ashley Tellis.

Possibility of limited war

The conventional wisdom in India is that there is space for limited war below the nuclear threshold. Though Indian military retaliation to a major terrorist strike would be carefully calibrated to avoid threatening Pakistan’s nuclear red lines, under certain circumstances the exchanges could escalate to a war in the plains.

For example, Pakistan may launch pre-emptive offensive operations across the international boundary (IB), forcing India to launch counter-offensive operations to destroy Pakistan’s war-waging machinery and simultaneously capture a limited amount of territory as a bargaining counter.

The Pakistan army seeks to convince India that it has a low nuclear threshold and that its nuclear red lines are fairly close to the IB and threatens to use TNWs on its own soil to contest Indian offensive operations.

Pakistani analysts believe no Indian Prime Minister will authorise massive retaliation with nuclear weapons in such a contingency. Such a belief would tend to lower the threshold of use of nuclear warheads, but does not address the issue of the consequences that Pakistan will suffer if the Indian PM, heading the Political Council of the Nuclear Command Authority (NCA), actually approves massive retaliation. Deterrence is ultimately a mind game.

Efficacy of TNWs as weapons of warfighting

Simple calculations on the efficacy of TNWs against mechanised forces combat group (roughly comprising an armoured regiment and a company of mechanised infantry) advancing in desert or semi-desert terrain are revealing.

The combat group (60 armoured fighting vehicles, AFVs) would normally advance with two combat teams forward over a frontage of 10-12km and depth of 8-10km.

If a nuclear warhead of 8-10kt is detonated over this combat group (low air burst explosion, with ground zero close to the centre), the initial casualties would be in the range of 20-30 personnel killed or wounded and 10-12 AFVs destroyed or damaged.

While the leading combat group would need to regroup - that is, undertake casualty evacuation, repair and recovery and decontamination, the reserve combat group of the combat command/armoured brigade could resume the advance in six to eight hours.

The template used for working out the casualty figures given above is United States Field Manual FM 3-3-1. Also, the Hatf-9 warhead is likely to be of a much lower yield than 8-10kt and would, consequently, cause even lesser damage.

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The conventional wisdom in India is that there is space for limited war below the nuclear threshold. (Photo credit: India Today)
If an Indian bridge head across a water obstacle is hit, the casualties would be a hundred times greater, but in a bridge head the adversary’s troops would be in contact with Indian troops and, hence, a bridge head is a much less likely target.

By employing TNWs against Indian forces, the Pakistan army would have broken the nuclear taboo without achieving anything substantive by way of influencing the course of an ongoing military operation.

In the process, it would risk the destruction of major Pakistani cities, should India choose to retaliate massively. The leadership of the Pakistan army must have done these calculations.

Therefore, their advocacy of Indian disinclination to retaliate massively in response to their use of TNWs on their own soil indicates either a flawed analysis, or is nothing but a bluff - a bluff that the Indian armed forces would be inclined to call.

Doctrinal challenges

During a crisis, if deterrence breaks down, the essence of nuclear strategy would lie in minimising civilian and military casualties and material damage and preventing escalation, while ensuring the survival of the state.

If Pakistan detonates TNWs on Indian forces on its own soil, the major options available to India are the following:

Option A: Massive retaliation to inflict unacceptable damage and cripple Pakistan as a functional nation state.

Option B: A quid pro quo or quid pro quo plus response ("flexible response"), in order to minimise the probability of further nuclear exchanges and keep the level of casualties and destruction as low as possible.

Option C: Refrain from retaliating with nuclear weapons, but warn Pakistan of dire consequences if any more nuclear strikes are launched. This option is the least likely to be adopted.

If deterrence ever breaks down, publicly declared doctrine will become irrelevant. The Political Council of the NCA will decide how to retaliate based on the advice given by the Executive Council, of which the three services chiefs are members.

The method and mode of retaliation will be based on the prevailing operational-strategic situation and the likely reactions, especially the probability of further nuclear exchanges, and the reactions of the international community - the threats held out, the appeals made and the course of discussions held in the UN Security Council.

From India’s point of view, massive retaliation (Option A) is the most suitable option for deterrence as anything else will run the risk of lowering the nuclear threshold and encourage the Pakistan army to continue to bank on the early use of TNWs to counter operational reverses.

Flexible response (Option B) would run the risk of continuing and repeated nuclear strikes. Also, breaking the nuclear taboo would be considered unacceptable by the international community.

Impact of TNWs on India’s nuclear doctrine

India’s nuclear doctrine premised on "credible minimum deterrence" and posture of "no first use" has stood the test of time and no major change is necessary.

India’s declaratory strategy of "massive retaliation" to a nuclear first strike is "designed to inflict unacceptable damage" and would work well even in a contingency where Pakistani planners may consider using TNWs against Indian forces on Pakistani soil as they cannot possibly risk the destruction of their country.

However, the credibility of massive retaliation needs to be enhanced through a carefully formulated signalling plan that is designed to showcase the technological proficiency and operational preparedness of India’s nuclear forces and the firmness of its political will.

As TNWs are extremely destabilising, Indian diplomacy should ensure that international pressure forces Pakistan to eliminate TNWs from its nuclear arsenal.
 
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No one will post on PDF and the owner of site will lose some revenue...

That will happen if new-clear exchange happen

:D

Stupid thinking. At least when you are dealing with atomic physics and radiation, try and think outside religion. But no. :tsk:

Hindus are there everywhere now. Impossible to eliminate it by targeting a single country.


What about destroying entire earth??

Thats why it is called MAD..
 
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You are mistaken. Once we start pounding you we won't stop until we have made certain you seize to exist. You can mark my words on that.
Mark my words, you do not have the guts to use a full fledged nuclear weapon. At worst case you may use naser. There is no other country in this world that has plan to use a strategic nuclear option on their own territory except you, even this will invite a full fledged response from us.
 
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Simple. There will be no Pakistan left and major damage to India but it will survive.


Simple, Pakistan will wipe india of the face of the planet as we have had the ability to produce Fusion Bombs, H-bombs and thermonuclear weapons since at least the start of 2011:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

indian military high command know this fact very well which is why they were powerless to attack Pakistan after mumbai 2008.
 
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