What does being a liberal mean?

[WarFariX]

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mate read my reply again

ohh srry i read it from different perspective ..my bad

 

[Verve]

have any thing constructive to add instead of these baseless one liners.

Based on my personal experiences with liberals, that is my opinion. It is the same liberals who are throwing their parents in elderly homes to rot. I like elderly (of all races) and sometimes visit the elderly care homes and the stories these elderly share are heart breaking and majority of them cry when talking about their 'liberal' children who come and meet them once a year!

Maybe you should visit a care home and speak with these elderly ... maybe then you will understand my 'baseless one liner'.

The payback of a liberal to his mother (who gave birth, fed, clothed, took care when he/she was ill etc etc) is to dispose them off to a care home.

Do you think you could fully repay your mother in any way whatsoever for the pain she went through during your birth? I hope the answer is No.

Well, that should be clear to you now what a liberal really is!

 

[WarFariX]

Based on my personal experiences with liberals, that is my opinion. It is the same liberals who are throwing their parents in elderly homes to rot. I like elderly (of all races) and sometimes visit the elderly care homes and the stories these elderly share are heart breaking and majority of them cry when talking about their 'liberal' children who come and meet them once a year!

Maybe you should visit a care home and speak with these elderly ... maybe then you will understand my 'baseless one liner'.

The payback of a liberal to his mother (who gave birth, fed, clothed, took care when he/she was ill etc etc) is to dispose them off to a care home.

Do you think you could fully repay your mother in any way whatsoever for the pain she went through during your birth? I hope the answer is No.

Well, that should be clear to you now what a liberal really is!

giving birth is not only a big pain but many other things a women has to suffer for lifetime such obese , unshaped , and 3rd factor is something related to private area which makes husband unpleasant...so women mother is a very big sacrificer

 

[Zibago]

Based on my personal experiences with liberals, that is my opinion. It is the same liberals who are throwing their parents in elderly homes to rot. I like elderly (of all races) and sometimes visit the elderly care homes and the stories these elderly share are heart breaking and majority of them cry when talking about their 'liberal' children who come and meet them once a year!

Maybe you should visit a care home and speak with these elderly ... maybe then you will understand my 'baseless one liner'.

The payback of a liberal to his mother (who gave birth, fed, clothed, took care when he/she was ill etc etc) is to dispose them off to a care home.

Do you think you could fully repay your mother in any way whatsoever for the pain she went through during your birth? I hope the answer is No.

Well, that should be clear to you now what a liberal really is!

Oh oh i know one he has no intention of throwing his parents in an old home nor does he hate his mom you are talking to him

ON issues of state and foreign policy i am a hawkish right winger in most occasions in matters of personal liberties,society and religion i have a liberal outlook na chairo na chiro

 

[The Sandman]

Based on my personal experiences with liberals, that is my opinion. It is the same liberals who are throwing their parents in elderly homes to rot. I like elderly (of all races) and sometimes visit the elderly care homes and the stories these elderly share are heart breaking and majority of them cry when talking about their 'liberal' children who come and meet them once a year!

Maybe you should visit a care home and speak with these elderly ... maybe then you will understand my 'baseless one liner'.

The payback of a liberal to his mother (who gave birth, fed, clothed, took care when he/she was ill etc etc) is to dispose them off to a care home.

Do you think you could fully repay your mother in any way whatsoever for the pain she went through during your birth? I hope the answer is No.

Well, that should be clear to you now what a liberal really is!

Who throw their parents in elder care homes are beghairats yes i will say it bluntly don't insult the word liberal by calling them liberals pls. This is not liberalism this is beghairti. That's like calling every molvi a terrorist or a terrorist supporter.

 

[haviZsultan]

It is unfortunate that liberal bashing has become one of the famous pastimes for radicals. We all want what (we think) is best for the country. We do not have an anti Pakistan agenda here. Those who do, we point them out ourselves and want nothing to do with them. What is not wrong though is supporting the countries minorities, helping the weak, and criticizing the wrongs. Because only by being critical of our faults can we hope to overcome them.

 

[Verve]

I don't know what definition of liberals you liberal defenders are using.

Liberal is:
willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

Going by that definition, a liberal person will respect and accept the throwing of parents in the care homes because of inconvenience of looking after them.

Beghairat is what we, muslims or other non-liberals, would label such people. But a liberal would RESPECT such actions and will shower no label of any kind on them.

Now then, also, by that definition above, what do you think would be the opinion of a liberal on orgies? A liberal will be totally fine with such acts, even if own family members are indulging in them, &/or even open to such ideas. That's a real liberal. Now ask yourself, are you a liberal!?

@haviZsultan If I decide to live my life and think the way prescribed by my Creator, do I become a radical?

It seems that famous pastime of confused so-called liberals is to label everyone radical who doesn't agree with them!

Oh oh i know one he has no intention of throwing his parents in an old home nor does he hate his mom you are talking to him

ON issues of state and foreign policy i am a hawkish right winger in most occasions in matters of personal liberties,society and religion i have a liberal outlook na chairo na chiro

If one wants to be liberal, so be it, none can force them to be otherwise. However when you are living in a majority non-liberal society, what would be the wise thing to do: Force liberalism down their throat, or tell them that they have to accept your liberal views (no matter how morally wrong) or live your life peacefully with a majority who is not liberal? A liberal should respect their opinion and not try anything to piss them off.

 

[WarFariX]

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I don't know what definition of liberals you liberal defenders are using.

Liberal is:
willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

Going by that definition, a liberal person will respect and accept the throwing of parents in the care homes because of inconvenience of looking after them.

Beghairat is what we, muslims or other non-liberals, would label such people. But a liberal would RESPECT such actions and will shower no label of any kind on them.

Now then, also, by that definition above, what do you think would be the opinion of a liberal on orgies? A liberal will be totally fine with such acts, even if own family members are indulging in them, &/or even open to such ideas. That's a real liberal. Now ask yourself, are you a liberal!?

@haviZsultan If I decide to live my life and think the way prescribed by my Creator, do I become a radical?

It seems that famous pastime of confused so-called liberals is to label everyone radical who doesn't agree with them!



If one wants to be liberal, so be it, none can force them to be otherwise. However when you are living in a majority non-liberal society, what would be the wise thing to do: Force liberalism down their throat, or tell them that they have to accept your liberal views (no matter how morally wrong) or live your life peacefully with a majority who is not liberal? A liberal should respect their opinion and not try anything to piss them off.

really awesome
,....@horus @Zarvan ye banda bhi kaam asakta hai bohat.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

job of a fire fighter is reactionary one doesn't mean its a useless job.

well we are so deep in this mess we can't just clean it in one sweep.i am afraid we need to do far more than just reverting legal system back to ayub's era we need to go on a deeper level and change our general public's thought process for any reform/step to be effective.

@Kaptaan could use your analysis here bro.

Very true, although 32% of the country is under 15. I think if we reform the education system first, then in 5-10 years doing something of this scale would definitely be a popular move. Also, if we can get some mullahs behind it (with money, politics, support etc) then the rest of the population would just fall in line.

 

[Hell hound]

Very true, although 32% of the country is under 15. I think if we reform the education system first, then in 5-10 years doing something of this scale would definitely be a popular move. Also, if we can get some mullahs behind it (with money, politics, support etc) then the rest of the population would just fall in line.

good points mate older generations are the lost cause so focus should be on the youth.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

good points mate older generations are the lost cause so focus should be on the youth.

The problem is that a lot of people like to 'pretend' they are religious but in reality dont do even the most basic things (pray 5 times a day, full fasts, zakat, etc.)

Really, what we need is a charismatic religious leader to come in and tell people to stop pretending to follow this strict wahabist version of Islam, and instead promote actual Islam according to the Quran which speaks of peace, tolerance, coexistence, and rule of law. Maybe its time for a resurgence of Sufism?

 

[Hell hound]

Really, what we need is a charismatic religious leader

don't you think a bottoms up approach will be more suitable than the top down approach here?
so instead of searching for a leader why don't we use your previous idea of slowly but steadily educating the youth

Maybe its time for a resurgence of Sufism?

will our people be willing to accept sufism now?

 

[sady]

'Liberalism' is a concept not alien to main religions. Every religion teaches liberalism to some extent. To suggest Atheism and Agnosticism are only compatable with liberalism is a fallacy. The only reason of death of liberalism in the world is down to basic weaknesses of mankind greed, prejudice, hate and envy. Religious teachings are sugarcoated, handpicked, twisted and plain simply fabricated to fool the masses. The Takfiri ideology, Envanglical and to some extent protestant, cult like churches in US and Zionists, further complicated by corporate money, racial and nationalistic overtones to religious teachings have corrupted the followers of such religions.
Pseudo liberalism is however mostly found in 3rd world countries where a certain lifestyle, values,way of life is taken as a standard which is far from the norms of the land. The freedom of speech is only for them, the tolerance is meant for them and not vice versa. In essence there is little difference from rightwing southern Envanglical American families in respect to their self righteous attitudes on their high horses and a 'fake liberal' from a third world country. There are few true champions of liberalism in third world countries who in their speech as well as action are class act otherwise most of them are seen mushrooming from around american embassy when freedom is supposed to be distributed among the people.

 

[AZMAT 9211]

Liberalism and beghairte.
They are same now.

 

[Hell hound]

Liberalism and beghairte.
They are same now.

care to present proof for your claims
and pls do read the article it was written with the sole purpose to help differentiate between fake and real liberal values