What do Pakistanis think of Russia/Ukraine/Eastern Europe

[Nilgiri]

Poland had really good ties with Pakistan during the Cold War and I think Pakistan’s first Air Marshall or General was A Polish dude and his decedents are scientists at SUPARCO

@Zibago knows just a tiny bit of info on that

@django @Hell hound

 

[FuturePAF]

We have really gotten off the topic.

As a Pakistani who has worked and studied with Russians and Eastern Europeans, I can say they have a distinct culture and like to live in an ethnic enclave bubble, particularly in Brooklyn (New York). In this way they are very similar to Pakistanis. There is still an in group preference to some extent even though they have the ability to pass as a "regular white person". They are more family oriented, and collectivist, and not as individualist as the general population when you consider the long term plans they have for their lives. This is due to them needing to reconcile their dual identities; Eastern European/Russian and American. There is hints of racial superiority, particularly among Russian when the whites consider themselves superior to the Central Asians specifically but Asians generally. On the other hand the excesses of the west lure a sizable number of Eastern European Women in and allow them to deceive themselves into thinking they can make in big in the big city by hook or crook. Some succeed and this motivates others to continue trying. Russians generally eat a healthier diet, and many women maintain a fit physique so that can be an advantage when they socialize with the rest of the general population.

The collapse of the Soviet union basically destroyed Eastern European stability. The social safety net disappeared, and the wealth gap between the west and Eastern Europe created a world a kin to the what happened between the Western and and eastern roman empires upon the collapse of the former. A brain drain, a cultural drain, an economic drain, a productivity drain. This caused a mass exodus of Eastern Europeans to the west and those left behind have had to manage with what opportunities they can get.

So depending on where in the world you meet Russians or Eastern Europeans, the answer will vary. The middle class Russian living in the west has more in common with the upper/middle middle class in Moscow then the smaller town folks of either the west or Russia. The lower wages in the East with the costs of living near the west lock Eastern Europe into a slow growth lower opportunity world where the best and brightest tend to still flee. They return home if they can't make a go of it in the west especially in an economic downturn.

Generally good people. Hard working and straight forward when talking to you as the cultural gap is wider between our two cultures (Eastern European/Russian and Pakistan), and nuance would be lost in western colloquialisms. While this may only be my experience, This is what I have seen and what I have lived.

 

[django]

@Zibago knows just a tiny bit of info on that

@django @Hell hound

Indeed he does,,,, the gentleman made a significant contribution to SUPARCO.Kudos bhai

 

[Cobra Arbok]

@Zibago knows just a tiny bit of info on that

@django @Hell hound

Did a bit of research and I found out that one of the main founders of SUPARCO was indeed a pole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Władysław_Turowicz
He was actually born in Siberia, which means his family must have been exiled them by the Russian Tsar.

 

[Desert Fox]

Of course not. But there is nothing wrong with saying the British had their own motivations during partition. Russian influence in Central Asia had always been a major factor influencing British policy regarding South Asia. you could say the same thing about the French supporting the America Revolution.

True. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[Zibago]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Władysław_Turowicz

The hero Pakistan who gets little recognition in our media
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...odore-wladyslaw-jozef-marian-turowicz.395499/

Poland had really good ties with Pakistan during the Cold War and I think Pakistan’s first Air Marshall or General was A Polish dude and his decedents are scientists at SUPARCO

Dude was a frikin legend he tried to put us in the space age before China and India oh and technically his wife was the first female pilot of Pakistan
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...odore-wladyslaw-jozef-marian-turowicz.395499/

 

[django]

Dude was a frikin legend he tried to put us in the space age before China and India oh and technically his wife was the first female pilot of Pakistan

No question about it bhai.Kudos

 

[Nilgiri]

The hero Pakistan who gets little recognition in our media
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...odore-wladyslaw-jozef-marian-turowicz.395499/


Dude was a frikin legend he tried to put us in the space age before China and India oh and technically his wife was the first female pilot of Pakistan
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...odore-wladyslaw-jozef-marian-turowicz.395499/

That's all you have to say?

I remember asking you first time "who dat in you DP bro"...and you were like "hold mah beer, let me sing you the song of my people!"....and a nice long ballad followed haha.

 

[MultaniGuy]

What you guys think of The Russian Federation and the former Eastern Block states

I think Russians are better than Americans. Russians are more cultured, has more history.

Russians are more trustworthy than Americans are.

 

[Zibago]

That's all you have to say?

I remember asking you first time "who dat in you DP bro"...and you were like "hold mah beer, let me sing you the song of my people!"....and a nice long ballad followed haha.

You can get a bit lazy on your phone particularly when you are on the move :-//
I wish to tell his story to everyone from his role in our nuclear and missile program to his role in our space program and initial capacity building of our airforce, hell his own life story is worthy of an entire movie
If i had any say in our education curriculum I would definitely add it in our curriculum

 

[Nilgiri]

You can get a bit lazy on your phone particularly when you are on the move :-//
I wish to tell his story to everyone from his role in our nuclear and missile program to his role in our space program and initial capacity building of our airforce, hell his own life story is worthy of an entire movie
If i had any say in our education curriculum I would definitely add it in our curriculum

In fact pakistan should make a movie or a miniseries etc about him and other such people. Invest some good money there....rather than trash they investing in now to try stay "competitive" or feelz-relevant with bollyweird and hollyweird etc. Chinese and Turks for example have made some very good series about their histories....both long time ago and more recent. There is always a wealth of good stuff at home to project, only if you choose to see and realise it first!

@django @Desert Fox @Indus Pakistan @Hell hound @Game.Invade @OsmanAli98

@waz @Arsalan

 

[django]

You can get a bit lazy on your phone particularly when you are on the move :-//
I wish to tell his story to everyone from his role in our nuclear and missile program to his role in our space program and initial capacity building of our airforce, hell his own life story is worthy of an entire movie
If i had any say in our education curriculum I would definitely add it in our curriculum

In fact pakistan should make a movie or a miniseries etc about him and other such people. Invest some good money there....rather than trash they investing in now to try stay "competitive" or feelz-relevant with bollyweird and hollyweird etc. Chinese and Turks for example have made some very good series about their histories....both long time ago and more recent. There is always a wealth of good stuff at home to project, only if you choose to see and realise it first!

@django @Desert Fox @Indus Pakistan @Hell hound @Game.Invade @OsmanAli98

@waz @Arsalan

Not only him but his family have all made important contributions to Pak, have nothing but love and respect for them, no question about it.Kudos gents

 

[Arsalan]

In fact pakistan should make a movie or a miniseries etc about him and other such people. Invest some good money there....rather than trash they investing in now to try stay "competitive" or feelz-relevant with bollyweird and hollyweird etc. Chinese and Turks for example have made some very good series about their histories....both long time ago and more recent. There is always a wealth of good stuff at home to project, only if you choose to see and realise it first!

@django @Desert Fox @Indus Pakistan @Hell hound @Game.Invade @OsmanAli98

@waz @Arsalan

Excellent idea. This indeed would be a great initiative. Will do a lot for that soft image build-up, something we really need these days.