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What America can learn from the fall of the Roman republic

We are not talking about the benefits of Yankee capitalism mate, we are talking about how the US matches up to great historical empires. Soft power is one thing and directly ruling over most of the world is another. Both of these are miles apart. America is not an empire, it is a buisiness and just as is common with all business models, their peak is measured in decades not centuries, unlike empires.
Age of traditional empires ended with World War 2, IMHO. US is a superpower of entirely different character in comparison. US does not need to colonize other nation-states to have a global footprint (including military presence), and/or to influence other nation-states.

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We are not talking about the benefits of Yankee capitalism mate, we are talking about how the US matches up to great historical empires. Soft power is one thing and directly ruling over most of the world is another. Both of these are miles apart. America is not an empire, it is a buisiness and just as is common with all business models, their peak is measured in decades not centuries, unlike empires.

by that definition we are living in an era of no imperial empires

Age of traditional empires ended with World War 2, IMHO. US is a superpower of entirely different character in comparison. US does not need to colonize other nation-states to have a global footprint (including military presence), and/or to influence other nation-states.

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the US military footprint dwarfs the Roman Legions
 
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by that definition we are living in an era of no imperial empires



the US military footprint dwarfs the Roman Legions
Yes, the question is how long will this last.....it is in human nature to forge empires, the urge to dominate.
 
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People who does not process any historic knowledge would almost always put America in the likes of Roman Empires, and British Empires. However, if one have any sense what Roman Empires and British Empires is like, you would not compare America with the two. America was never an empire to begin with.

Roman empires exists by taxing their allies and their newly conquered land on agriculture product, also known as Agrarian Economy. The empires existed with majority of their income coming from all their satellite state to a point Rome citizen are exempted from paying taxes, only need to "Buy" their service commitment according to their class (Hence this is how roman legion is raised)

The very use of Roman legion is to conquer new land or suppress any insurrection to their satellite state, also, which make the reason Rome make war is pure financial, I want your land, and I want you to pay tax doing stuff on your land, which is virtually never heard of in modern warfare.

In which case, the satellite state Roman had conquered is the one that is supporting the system, and there are only 1 fault in this system however, is that these satellite state are not Roman or Citizens of Rome, so there are constantly at war and rebellion are often, and the core of the problem is that Roman conquer outpace their managerial capability, and once there are more satellite state than they can actually control, the rebellion is going to win. And hence the if they have reached that point, Roman Empire Collapse. @AUSTERLITZ may have more to say as I do not have time to do research as of now.

On the other hand, British Empire runs on a very similar scheme during their colonial period and making the strong empire. The British Empire devoted a lot of resource to capture resource in the world, where the island nation itself does not have, food come from arable land in South Asia (India, Pakistan) Heavy Metal and Petroleum in North Africa, Iron and metallic ore in Australia, and other resource throughout the world, instead of taxing money for their business like what Roman does, the brits took resource from them and feed it into the heard of their empire. However, the downfall of British Empire is the globalisation of the world after WW2. where decolonization of the world stripped off most of the empire, where only some dependent states remain. And the British Isle is not particularly resourceful. Britain alone cannot do much in this case. And hence even with some former colony remains (Falklands, Gibraltar Bermuda and so on) Those are small island which basically depending on the mainland to support them, while themselves have self-sufficient or semi-self sufficient economy.

The United States of America, on the other hand, is not an empire, the US do have colony, and they do pay taxes to the US government, however, the net flow of financial support is the other way around, US Mainland (Plus 2 outlining states, Hawaii and Alaska) have the majority of the financial mean and the US colony (such as Guam, Virgin Island, Puerto Rico or so on) depending on the Federal Government to support them. Unlike the British Empire and the Roman empire, they do not take resource away from their colony nor would they engage in pure economic warfare, they don't need to because US Dollars is the dominant currency in the world, which make financial gain in war as a reason illogical, most US War fought with Ideology clashes or any other Political Reason. Which would not easily incite a rebellion within US or within US colony.

There are no Rise and Fall of US Empire, because US Empire does not exist as a thing, the Country of United States of America exist, but that's about it. Can United States fall? Certainly, as with any nation in the world, how? If you can attack the weakest point of a country, the country will fall, and usually, it is one of the three. Military Power, Economic Power, and the Government. And believe it or not, the weakest one in this link is Economic Power. Which mean US WILL FALL if they can be defeated Economically, which the only way one could have done is to attack the US Dollar, and when a single or coalition of currency can out-taken USD as preferred World Currency reserve then, the US WILL FALL, but is it hard to easy to do? Very, Very hard.
 
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It's absurd that Obama claimed US must be superior for another 100 years. Maddog Trump administration even claimed US dominance for ever. For US punks, remember your nuclear power is less efficient than Russia's and China is NOT under your nuclear blackmail list! We are able to destroy US even US starts nuclear war first.
 
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China was a republic for a short period during Zhou dynasty (841 - 828BC) . The name of this period Chu Triệu cộng hòa (周召共和) lead to the translation of the word "republic" in East Asian languages.

Vietnamese - Cộng hòa
Chinese - Gonghe (in pinyin)
Korea - Konghwa
Japanese - kyouwa
 
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It's not so different than it's not a republic...

A authoritarian is also get problem at the end of the lifeline, where the system is corrupted by economy interest as well.
 
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Unfortunately I can also see similarities of this with Pakistan :(

Hence why I posted it up so that our generation learns and makes a plan to stop this spiral into disaster

We have already started realizing that what we were doing was completely wrong ...

Lets hope for a better future
 
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The problem with US is the lost of competitor like Soviet Union makes them believe they are unbeatable. Their arrogant to refuse to accept the reality of China filling that void to challenge US might.

When u believe you are invincible, that is where the problem will come.
 
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The problem with US is the lost of competitor like Soviet Union makes them believe they are unbeatable. Their arrogant to refuse to accept the reality of China filling that void to challenge US might.

When u believe you are invincible, that is where the problem will come.

I guess its due to humble attitude of china ... and this should continue ... China is doing fantastic and is already winning economic and propaganda war
 
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USA will collapse..

when ever injustice and oppression becomes ripe that civilization is destined for collapse
 
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