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Western political decay makes China’s path stand out

Unfortunately, the mouth from the south do not care and will not read. Let's just agree with him that Indian democrazy is the best and move on.

I am in no mood to engage those people but @tranquilium had an indeed patient education session. In any case, this thread was not to summon non-Western people in defense of the Western governance, but, the most interested seems to be one from the most inefficient government in the world, and the other from an old-extension of Confucius sphere.

Not sure this is a good or bad thing.
 
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Yes people do have a choice but only between two parties. Any third choice is called a wasted vote.

Yes Western society stressed too much on individualism at the expense of the society.
Sometimes it's hard to understand. They always lecture about individual rights, but when things goes wrong they blame the society.

You are Asian. You should understand. ... The rights of the society always have priority over the rights of the individual.
So the Germans should return to one party state, with the führer as head of state.
 
The Scientific Nature of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics
By: Qu Qingshan
Qiushi Journal October-December 2016|Vol.8, No.4, Issue No.29 |

Since the 18th National Congress of the CPC in 2012, with a view to upholding and developing socialism with Chinese characteristics (hereinafter referred to as Chinese socialism), General Secretary Xi Jinping has raised the question of how we should view the scientific nature of Chinese socialism. Gaining an accurate understanding of this key question will help us to bolster our confidence in the path, theories, and system of Chinese socialism and establish strong political and strategic resolve.

I. Chinese socialism constitutes a new stage and outcome of scientific socialism in China.

Scientific socialism represents the source and root of Chinese socialism, while Chinese socialism represents a new stage and outcome of scientific socialism in China. To uphold and develop Chinese socialism is to adhere to scientific socialism.

From the birth of scientific socialism to the establishment and development of Chinese socialism, the scientific nature of socialism has been central to the entire history of the world socialist movement. In its 500-year history, the world socialist movement has witnessed the birth and development of utopian socialism, the creation of scientific socialism by Marx and Engels, the victory of the October Revolution in Russia led by Lenin, the practice of socialism in the Soviet Union, the formation of the Soviet model, the exploration and practice of socialism by the CPC following the founding of the PRC, the historic decision of the CPC to initiate reform and opening up, and the establishment and development of Chinese socialism. Following the leap from utopian socialism to scientific socialism, and from socialism in theory to socialism in practice, both historical progression and logic dictated that developing and consolidating socialism would become the theme of a new historical period.

By drawing on China’s successes and setbacks in the development of socialism, especially successful experiences since introducing the reform and opening up policy, and learning from the historical experiences of other socialist countries, Chinese Communists have offered, for the very first time, systematic answers to a series of fundamental questions through their integration of theory and practice, opening up new horizons for scientific socialism. These questions revolve around how to establish socialism in an economically and culturally underdeveloped country like China, and how to consolidate and develop socialism in China. Chinese socialism constitutes a historic contribution to scientific socialism by Chinese Communists. It is an inevitable outcome of scientific socialism and a dialectical unity between the theoretical logic of scientific socialism and the historical logic of China’s social development.

Upholding the basic principles of scientific socialism, Chinese socialism is socialism, not some other -ism. It adheres to the worldview and methodology of dialectical materialism and historical materialism, identifies the realization of communism as its highest ideal, preserves a political party of the working class as the leading core, upholds the position of the people as the principal actors in the country, preserves public ownership as the foundation of the socialist economic system, views the people’s role as masters of the country as the core of socialist democracy, maintains Marxism as the guiding ideology, commits to the realization of common prosperity, and promotes the well-rounded development of the person. These all reflect the basic principles of scientific socialism, representing concrete manifestations of these basic principles under new historical conditions. Though China has borrowed certain specific practices from developed capitalist countries in the West on an operational level, such as managerial approaches and mechanisms, our essential social system has always conformed to the basic principles of scientific socialism.

In recent years, some people have questioned the nature of Chinese socialism, claiming that China is not practicing socialism but “capitalist socialism” or “state capitalism.” Their intention is to sever Chinese socialism from scientific socialism and set the two against each other, thus denying that the former is in essence scientific socialism. As Xi Jinping has commented, “Chinese socialism upholds the basic principles of scientific socialism whilst endowing them with unique Chinese features in view of contemporary conditions. That is to say, Chinese socialism is socialism, not some other -ism.” Xi has also stressed, “No matter how we reform or open up, we will always adhere to the path, theories, and system of Chinese socialism.” These important statements reveal the scientific nature of Chinese socialism, and demonstrate the CPC’s firm commitment to upholding and developing it.

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A stark contrast: the black and white photo, taken on July 28, 1976 by Chang Qing, shows the city of Tangshan, which was left in a state of total ruin by a catastrophic earthquake; the color photo, taken by Xinhua reporter Yang Shiyao on July 9, 2016, shows Tangshan’s South Lake Park. Following 1976’s devastating earthquake, many people thought that the city of Tangshan would never reemerge. However, 40 years later, a new Tangshan has risen miraculously from the ruins. XINHUA

II. Chinese socialism constitutes a scientific form of socialism rooted in China’s soils.

A scientific theory and system must be localized before it can function properly. The only path, theory, and system that can work in China and genuinely display its scientific nature is one that conforms to China’s realities. The scientific nature of Chinese socialism is embodied not only in the basic principles of scientific socialism that it adheres to, which are scientific by their very nature; but also in that it is rooted in China’s soils, has deep historical origins and a broad basis in reality, and is uniquely Chinese in character. Therefore, we may say that Chinese socialism is a scientific form of socialism that conforms to China’s realities.

First, Chinese socialism has emerged from more than 5,000 years of Chinese cultural tradition. The conception, birth, and development of Chinese socialism would not have been possible without the rich nourishment of China’s fine traditional culture. An important reason why China has accepted Marxism and scientific socialism, as opposed to some other ideology, is that Chinese culture inherently identifies with scientific socialism. The state and society-centric values of traditional Chinese culture are compatible with the collectivism advocated by scientific socialism. In a certain sense, the combination of scientific socialism with China’s realities represents the integration of Marxism and China’s fine traditional culture. In China, only when an idea, theory, and culture get accepted by Chinese culture and help the country’s development can that idea, theory, and culture become a scientific theoretical guideline and common foundation for the united efforts of all Chinese people.

Second, Chinese socialism has emerged from a profound reflection of the Chinese nation’s experiences during more than 170 years of modern history. The kind of ideology a country adopts, and whether or not that ideology is scientific, depend on the capacity of that ideology to resolve the historical problems faced by that country. Since the advent of modern times, the Chinese people have committed themselves to two historical goals: the first being national independence and the liberation of the people; and the second being the strength and prosperity of the country and the happiness of the people. China has experimented with a long succession of ideologies: capitalism, reformism, liberalism, social Darwinism, anarchism, pragmatism, populism, and syndicalism; but none were able to resolve the question of China’s future and destiny. In a certain sense, the Chinese nation’s search for and development of its path during more than 170 years of modern history has been a process of eliminating various ideologies and paths and choosing a scientific and correct one, which eventually turned out to be socialism.

Third, Chinese socialism has emerged from our constant explorations since the founding of the People’s Republic of China more than 60 years ago. Although Chinese socialism was created in a new period of reform and opening up, its foundation had been laid down before this period. The founding of the PRC and establishment of the basic socialist system have established the fundamental political preconditions and institutional foundations for all development and progress in China today.

Fourth, Chinese socialism has emerged from our great endeavors in reform and opening up over more than 30 years. Chinese socialism has gradually taken shape during the course of China’s reform and opening up. The 12th National Congress of the CPC introduced the proposition of “building a Chinese socialism”; the 13th National Congress of the CPC established the Party’s basic line for the primary stage of socialism and outlined a theoretical framework for developing Chinese socialism; the 15th National Congress of the CPC established Deng Xiaoping Theory as a guiding principle of the Party; the 16th National Congress of the CPC identified the Three Represents as a guiding principle of the Party; and the 18th National Congress of the CPC summarized Chinese socialism in terms of a path, a body of theories, and a system. As China’s reform and opening up drive progresses, the CPC is increasingly enhancing its understanding of Chinese socialism, applying its features and laws with increasing maturity and accumulating more and more experience. Under the banner of Chinese socialism, with an indomitable enterprising spirit and commitment to innovation, the CPC and Chinese people have written a magnificent epic of self-improvement and advancement, bringing about development at unprecedented speeds, rapidly raising the living standards of the people, and allowing the Chinese nation to welcome bright prospects for its own rejuvenation.

China’s problems can only be solved by looking to China for the right path. Chinese socialism represents a choice that the Chinese people have made on the basis of the country’s unique culture, history, and basic national conditions, and through a long-term process of struggle and exploration. It is by no means accidental, nor is it a subjective choice made by a person or a political party. Chinese socialism is a scientific form of socialism rooted in China’s soils, reflecting the will of the people, and geared to the needs of China’s development and a new era.

III. Chinese socialism constitutes a developing form of scientific socialism.

Socialism is constantly breaking new ground as it develops in step with the times and through the course of practice. As 170 years of history since the publishing of the Manifesto of the Communist Party has shown, Marxism and scientific socialism can only demonstrate their great vitality, creativity, and appeal, and fully exert their scientific nature, when they are integrated with the actual conditions of a country, when they move forward in step with the times, and when they share the same mission as the people.

Freeing the mind, seeking truth from facts, keeping up with the times, being realistic and pragmatic, using developing scientific theory to guide practice, and taking practice as the sole criterion for testing everything constitute not only important experiences that have enabled the CPC to preserve its advanced nature and push forward Chinese socialism, but are one of the major reasons why Chinese socialism remains scientific, vital, and vigorous.

While leading the people in new explorations, the CPC Central Committee headed by General Secretary Xi Jinping has continued to expand the path, enrich the theories, and improve the system of Chinese socialism. A series of important speeches by Xi Jinping contain rich theoretical and practical insight on upholding and developing Chinese socialism: The concept of the Chinese Dream – the rejuvenation of the Chinese nation – has broadened and deepened the goals and requirements of Chinese socialism; the Belt and Road Initiative, Yangtze River Economic Belt Initiative, and Beijing-Tianjin-Hebei Integration Initiative have deepened and expanded the five-pronged overall plan for the development of Chinese socialism; the Four Comprehensives, which serves as the general plan for China’s national governance under new circumstances and the overall strategy for the long-term development of the CPC and country, has enriched and developed the theories of Chinese socialism; the principles of innovative, coordinated, green, open, and shared development, which serve as a guide for upholding and developing Chinese socialism, have enriched and developed CPC’s theories on development; and the assertions that the CPC should supervise its own conduct and run itself according to a strict code of conduct, that the improvement of conduct is an ongoing endeavor, that we should confine power to an institutional cage, and that we should not only cage the “tigers” but also swat the “flies” have enriched and developed Marxist theories concerning party building. Xi Jinping’s important speeches represent the truest and most focused manifestation of contemporary Chinese Marxism.


Qu Qingshan is Director of the Party History Research Center of the CPC Central Committee.


(Originally appeared in Qiushi Journal, Chinese edition, No.6, 2016)
 
This is probably the most uninformed article I have ever seen from the Chinese Regime mouthpiece.

First of all, The root for democracy is from Ancient Greece, unless you want to claim ancient greece is "west", Democracy is not a system that's originate from the West.

The problem is that, while this is true there have no exist a system that's suitable for everyone, that does not make one system particular "standout" and one particular system in "decay" as the article suggest. It works on someone and it does not work on someone is equate to "Decay" or "Standout" then there will not be any political system to begin with, as I can also counter argue what good for China is not good everywhere else (a fact even the Chinese member concess to) does that mean the Chinese system is in decay?

What make one system great for one country depends on quite a lot of factors, each system have its strength and weakness, each system have their flaw and perfection. US Democracy system is excel in personal freedom, it embrace idea (good or bad) and contribution (good or bad) toward its country, but there comes good and you also need to take in the bad, as pin are always sharp at one end.

Chinese Dictator regime is good at controlling the population, sometime a country simply need to move in that direction whether the citizen like it or not, the good is if the guy on top is competent, it will steer China is the right direction, if the guy on top is incompetent, it will steer China in a bad direction.

There are no decay otherwise the system will not survive the test of time, democracy have been around for at least 3,000 years, how long have the Chinese system last? 70?

Do you feel no shame living in a foreign country while spewing Chinese propaganda?

That is the point, ain't it?

When you can bad mouth some value openly at your home, of course you wouldn't see it as anything, what they should do is to raise a Chinese flag and move to China and start badmouthing the Chinese government, then they can come abck and talk to me about democratic value.....
 
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Year of the Rooster to bring multiple missions
By: Xinhua From: English Edition of Xinhua | Updated: 2017-Feb-3

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Passengers enter the Nanchang West Railway Station in Nanchang, capital of east China's Jiangxi Province, Feb. 1, 2017. After the Chinese Lunar New Year, the Nanchang West Railway Station witnessed a travel peak on Wednesday as people started to travel to other cities for school and work. (Xinhua/Peng Zhaozhi)

BEIJING, Feb. 2 (Xinhua) -- China is set for the first working day of the Year of the Rooster as the week-long Spring Festival holiday ends Thursday.

It will be an energetic start for people and their families to achieve their dreams, and the nation will take a step closer towards the dream of creating "quanmian xiaokang," a moderately prosperous society in an all-round way by 2020.

However, this year's steps are set to be challenging, particularly for the Communist Party of China, which was founded in the Year of the Rooster, 1921 to be precise.

The Party will convene its 19th national congress this year, and it needs to accomplish several missions so that the Year of the Rooster is one of good luck.

After lifting more than 700 million people out of poverty in the past 38 years, the country still has about 45 million people living in poor conditions.

Poverty relief is high on the agenda for governments at all levels. Not a single family living in poverty will be left behind, but the closer the country gets to fully eliminating poverty, the more difficult the final steps become.

China's 13th Five-Year Plan outlines priorities for national development from 2016-2020 and proposes support for poor villages to develop signature products and services. Guidelines were also issued calling for enhanced collaboration between developed eastern regions and under-developed western regions to meet poverty-reduction targets.

These efforts have been translated into encouraging signs. At least a further 10 million people will become members of the well-off society this year.

This year is also a crucial year for pushing forward reform across the board.

Hundreds of measures were designed and released during the past four years to address issues such as urbanization, innovation and the market's role in resource allocation. Now the roadmap has taken shape and the focus for the coming years will be on delivery.

Supply-side structural reform will continue to be an economic goal for 2017, including cutting excess capacity, implementing agricultural reforms, boosting the real economy and nurturing new growth.

The restructuring of China's economy and the upgrading of industry is expected to generate huge new demand.

Time is of the essence for reforms in state-owned enterprises as well as in finance and social security. Such sectors concern the development of the country, whose GDP growth stood at 6.7 percent in 2016, a three-decade low, but outpacing most other major economies.

In major political reform, China will establish a national supervisory commission and create a law on national supervision.

Amid efforts to build a clean CPC, the fight against corruption has gained "crushing momentum," netting both "tigers" and "flies," with no letup expected in the future.

On the global stage, China will stick to its commitment to encourage economic globalization and cooperation, despite difficulties.

In troubled times with a sluggish world economy and a changing geopolitical order, the wise choice is to move forward together.

China is preparing for a host of events of global significance this year, including a Belt and Road forum for international cooperation in Beijing in May, and the ninth BRICS leaders' summit, in southeast China's coastal city of Xiamen in September.

The attitude of openness, inclusivity and sharing is in sharp contrast to the retreat into protectionism and isolation from certain western countries.

This year will be a test of the wisdom needed to maintain sustained, stable and better growth in China-U.S. relations. Although the Trump administration has yet to formulate its China policy, the general trend of cooperation is irreversible and the only right choice for both countries.

Any conflict or trade war could deal a blow to the development of the world's two largest economies. The bottom-line is respecting each other's core interests.

Believing in a shared destiny for mankind, China will continue to expand its circle of friends.

As Michael Moller, head of the United Nations Office at Geneva, put it: "If things go well for China and the Chinese people, the chances are it's going to go well for a lot of other people around the planet."

Coincidentally, the first working day of the Chinese new year is "lichun," or the beginning of spring, the first of the 24 solar terms in the Chinese ancient calendar.

As we wave goodbye to winter, China stands with the world in wishing for a great spring.

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Emerging Western neo-fascism manifests the final prongs of a dying colonial-imperial global regime. The alternative provided/offered by China is not meant to be copied or imitated or dictated.

Nonetheless, the stark differences between emerging Western neo-fascism and China-led inclusive developmentalism have to be thoroughly analyzed and theorized.

The risks of Western neo-fascism does not lie in the division and anger of the people in the US because of first real transfer of power among super-ruling elites, but in the very likelihood of this neo-fascism to further spread in form of interventions and excessive use of military.
 
This is probably the most uninformed article I have ever seen from the Chinese Regime mouthpiece.

You said it. It's impossible to have any form of discussion when the non-negotiable point is not only "My system is the best" but also "Western systems are the worst".

I remember a professor of mine used to say that the most effective propaganda is one that admits some mistakes - much like how a slightly imperfect tax return is likely to work better than a perfect one. :)

USSR actually was very innovative. Sputnik, first man in space, first women in space, the MIG15, MIG21, the AK47 Kalashnikov, the rocket propel grenade etc.
Add Nazi Germany too. V1, V2, the jet engine, first real jet plane, Tiger tank, the Volkwagen, etc

That's why I said their innovation was 'unsustainable' (read my post carefully). As soon as the WW2 era Nazi tech was exhausted - i.e. the ballistic missiles derived from the V2 program, the AK-47 from the Stg 44, the Mig 15 from the Me 262 - new innovation was at a fraction of the speed at which it happened in the west.

It was unsustainable because (A) who wants to produce knowhow when you wont get anything from it; and (B) you cant hold a gun to someone's head and expect him to produce results. This, together with their ever-increasing military budget led to the collapse.

WW2 Germany had a very different economy - I already posted on that somewhere else - you are welcome to read that. The difference in capitalist v planned economy can be gauged by comparing innovation in post WW2 west germany v east germany.

Myth? Errr China's civilization is RECORDED continuously.:enjoy:

I see you fall back on the 'record' argument since you can't explain the lack of ethnic and political continuity in the dynasties. Well, good luck with basing a claim on recorded history - something that is quite common among old long lasting civilizations - egyptian, persian, israelites, roman, indian, japanese.

China is undoubtedly an old culture - as are all the groups I mentioned above - but not an unbroken one as unbroken ethnic, linguistic and political continuity is simply not there for the period you quote - though I am prepared to agree that many stretches of hundreds of years under certain long-lasting dynasties qualify as such. As an example I would say that Pharonic Egypt was a civilisation - i.e. upto the Late Period (c. 332 BC) but not Ptolemic Egypt (even though Ptolemy and his eventual successor Cleopatra styled themselves as pharaohs, recorded themselves as successors and adapted the language).

Modern China has existed in political unity only for the past four - perhaps five centuries; it was divided into distinct kingdoms having distinct identities during most of the First millennium BCE, a northern half ruled by Turkic/Mongolic tribes and a southern half by various small kingdoms for roughly 350–600 CE, ruled as part of larger Mongol Empire employing many foreign administrators with a distinct caste system placing certain ethnic groups at the bottom and some at the top (nothing particularly exceptional). The foolishness is in somehow imagining, with the benefit of hindsight that all of this was a single grand plan by a single bunch of people all with the objective of helping a few zealous posters make claims on PDF in 2017 :) It makes for a good story to enthrall schoolkids (much like how modern Greek schoolcholdren are no doubt told they are unbroken descendants of Achilles) but of little use for anything else.

To reiterate - and I believe this is the only helpful way to sift out these tall claims of civilisation.

If we adopt continuity of language we will get different results, if we adopt continuity of ethnicity we get different results, ditto for continuity of religion or polities. Obviously the more factors we demand the lesser and lesser the extent of any 'civilisation'.

Look where China is now versus Japan.

I see that all the time in Sim Lim Square in Singapore where I overhear shopkeepers (mostly of ethnic Chinese descent) try and differentiate cameras by claiming 'Made in Japan sir' as opposed to 'Made in China' :) Not trying to play down Chinese manufacturing but it (and pretty much everything else in China) has a way to go before comparisons with Japan can be meaningful.

And decades of partisan politics have split countries into two opposing ideologies. One in power and one doing all it can to bring it down. It's a blame game. Claim any credit and blame any mess on the other.

individual liberty. That is the most valuable asset in the western democracy.

Indeed. The idea that a single citizen cannot be ignored, cannot be taken for granted, can win against the state, can take a principled stand that will be upheld - is truly something to be admired. But what would these die-hard CCP fanboys know?

That is the single reason why millions of people across the world want to immigrate to America. Funny how despite all the big talk about the perfectness of Chinese government nobody is exactly queing up to emigrate to China (including their besties from Pakistan - who for all their professed love would probably prefer the degenerate about-to-fail democracy of America to the gleaming towers of Shanghai).

The 2010 China census records 594,000 resident aliens. That's 0.04% of the population that year. In the US that number was 40 million or >13% of the population. Every year a million LPRs (permanent residents) are added to that list. China and India contribute 7% after Mexico (13%). The Chinese who come here are extremely wealthy, educated and yet they choose to leave China - that land of milk and honey, high speed trains and ferocious army, thousand year 'civilisation' and largest economy, bla bla .... you get the picture :)

I am in no mood to engage those people but @tranquilium had an indeed patient education session. In any case, this thread was not to summon non-Western people in defense of the Western governance, but, the most interested seems to be one from the most inefficient government in the world, and the other from an old-extension of Confucius sphere.

I see you've not learned a lesson from your recent ban. Well, at the rate at which you post nonsense and indulge in mud-slinging I see another ban coming up soon.
 
Viet is either living under a rock or a victim of the ARD/ZDF/Spiegel/Zeit Propaganda. More and more people are starting to wake up and call a spade a spade. Our so called democracy, if it ever was genuine, has degenerated to a proton fascist regime. This regime, of course, has learnt the mistakes made by the Nazis and other totalitarian regimes, e.g. killing and jailing anyone who speaks out against the official narrative. Instead, they call you a fascist, a hater, a racist etc. They ruin you financially if you hold a public office or work in the entertainment sector. In other words, they kill you slowly by killing your ability to interact socially.
 
You said it. It's impossible to have any form of discussion when the non-negotiable point is not only "My system is the best" but also "Western systems are the worst".

I remember a professor of mine used to say that the most effective propaganda is one that admits some mistakes - much like how a slightly imperfect tax return is likely to work better than a perfect one. :)



That's why I said their innovation was 'unsustainable' (read my post carefully). As soon as the WW2 era Nazi tech was exhausted - i.e. the ballistic missiles derived from the V2 program, the AK-47 from the Stg 44, the Mig 15 from the Me 262 - new innovation was at a fraction of the speed at which it happened in the west.

It was unsustainable because (A) who wants to produce knowhow when you wont get anything from it; and (B) you cant hold a gun to someone's head and expect him to produce results. This, together with their ever-increasing military budget led to the collapse.

WW2 Germany had a very different economy - I already posted on that somewhere else - you are welcome to read that. The difference in capitalist v planned economy can be gauged by comparing innovation in post WW2 west germany v east germany.



I see you fall back on the 'record' argument since you can't explain the lack of ethnic and political continuity in the dynasties. Well, good luck with basing a claim on recorded history - something that is quite common among old long lasting civilizations - egyptian, persian, israelites, roman, indian, japanese.

China is undoubtedly an old culture - as are all the groups I mentioned above - but not an unbroken one as unbroken ethnic, linguistic and political continuity is simply not there for the period you quote - though I am prepared to agree that many stretches of hundreds of years under certain long-lasting dynasties qualify as such. As an example I would say that Pharonic Egypt was a civilisation - i.e. upto the Late Period (c. 332 BC) but not Ptolemic Egypt (even though Ptolemy and his eventual successor Cleopatra styled themselves as pharaohs, recorded themselves as successors and adapted the language).

Modern China has existed in political unity only for the past four - perhaps five centuries; it was divided into distinct kingdoms having distinct identities during most of the First millennium BCE, a northern half ruled by Turkic/Mongolic tribes and a southern half by various small kingdoms for roughly 350–600 CE, ruled as part of larger Mongol Empire employing many foreign administrators with a distinct caste system placing certain ethnic groups at the bottom and some at the top (nothing particularly exceptional). The foolishness is in somehow imagining, with the benefit of hindsight that all of this was a single grand plan by a single bunch of people all with the objective of helping a few zealous posters make claims on PDF in 2017 :) It makes for a good story to enthrall schoolkids (much like how modern Greek schoolcholdren are no doubt told they are unbroken descendants of Achilles) but of little use for anything else.

To reiterate - and I believe this is the only helpful way to sift out these tall claims of civilisation.

If we adopt continuity of language we will get different results, if we adopt continuity of ethnicity we get different results, ditto for continuity of religion or polities. Obviously the more factors we demand the lesser and lesser the extent of any 'civilisation'.



I see that all the time in Sim Lim Square in Singapore where I overhear shopkeepers (mostly of ethnic Chinese descent) try and differentiate cameras by claiming 'Made in Japan sir' as opposed to 'Made in China' :) Not trying to play down Chinese manufacturing but it (and pretty much everything else in China) has a way to go before comparisons with Japan can be meaningful.





Indeed. The idea that a single citizen cannot be ignored, cannot be taken for granted, can win against the state, can take a principled stand that will be upheld - is truly something to be admired. But what would these die-hard CCP fanboys know?

That is the single reason why millions of people across the world want to immigrate to America. Funny how despite all the big talk about the perfectness of Chinese government nobody is exactly queing up to emigrate to China (including their besties from Pakistan - who for all their professed love would probably prefer the degenerate about-to-fail democracy of America to the gleaming towers of Shanghai).

The 2010 China census records 594,000 resident aliens. That's 0.04% of the population that year. In the US that number was 40 million or >13% of the population. Every year a million LPRs (permanent residents) are added to that list. China and India contribute 7% after Mexico (13%). The Chinese who come here are extremely wealthy, educated and yet they choose to leave China - that land of milk and honey, high speed trains and ferocious army, thousand year 'civilisation' and largest economy, bla bla .... you get the picture :)



I see you've not learned a lesson from your recent ban. Well, at the rate at which you post nonsense and indulge in mud-slinging I see another ban coming up soon.
You are hard to understand.

First. You have any idea how many innovative invention happen during the thousands years of imperial China.
Innovative has nothing to do with freedom. That's a myth perpetuated by Western media.

Second. Like what is still made in Japan. Look around the house. Laptops, no. Cellphones, no. Even Sony TVs are replaced with brands from Korea or China. Cars yes. That's about it.

Third. Do you have any idea there are millions of millions of S Koreans and Taiwanese living in China.
And how about the millions of Indians living in the middle East. Don't Indian hate Muslims? What does that tell you. Think. People move to other countries due to economic reasons. Not for political reason. It another myth perpetuated by Western media.
 
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You are hard to understand.

First. You have any idea how many innovative invention happen during the thousands years of imperial China.
Innovative has nothing to do with freedom. That's a myth perpetuated by Western media.

Second. Like what is still made in Japan. Look around the house. Laptops, no. Cellphones, no. Even Sony TVs are replaced with brands from Korea or China. Cars yes. That's about it.

Third. Do you have any idea there are millions of millions of S Koreans and Taiwanese living in China.
And how about the millions of Indians living in the middle East. Don't Indian hate Muslims? What does that tell you. Think. People move to other countries due to economic reasons. Not for political reason. It another myth perpetuated by Western media.

Indeed, regarding first point, if Indian style freedom did count, we would have Indians having meaningful presence in global patent and innovation. Truth is, innovation and patent are result of good education and infrastructure, which India lacks.

But, anyway, India is subsaharan, hence, it does not have a system to decay.

Second, international brand making takes long. China, as a late industrialized nation, still has a long way to go. Nonetheless, China is home to the most number of entrepreneurs. The sky is the limit. Hence, Indians lining up to buy made in China smart phones. Some DJI models are more expensive than an average Indian's salary for five years.

Third, the largest foreign student body in China is Japanese and Koreans. China is the largest or second largest tourist destination. If China had favorable migration policy, it would have an influx. But, rightfully, China does not have one.

But again, this is not to talk about India as it has no system that inspires even a single person.

It is a failure, a non-starter that only reminds inefficiency, corruption, nepotism, agitation, lack of sanitation, and lack of order.
 
That is pthe point, ain't it?

When you can bad mouth some value openly at your home, of course you wouldn't see it as anything, what they should do is to raise a Chinese flag and move to China and start badmouthing the Chinese government, then they can come abck and talk to me about democratic value.....
Says a person posting in his house build on land stolen from the natives.
 
Says a person posting in his house build on land stolen from the natives.

You do know the world is basically detached from African continent, are you African/Aboriginal? Otherwise you yourselves are on a stolen land.
 
I am in no mood to engage those people but @tranquilium had an indeed patient education session. In any case, this thread was not to summon non-Western people in defense of the Western governance, but, the most interested seems to be one from the most inefficient government in the world, and the other from an old-extension of Confucius sphere.

Not sure this is a good or bad thing.

It's a good thing in my book, as it highlights once more that people from the AngloZionist Empire proper or countries within the AngloZionist sphere of influence don't understand and/or refuse to do so as it confounds their dogmatic, self-righteous and condescending belief that the Western model is the way to go for all countries across the globe, regardless of culture, values and historical experience, whereas other politcal systems may as well be relegated to the dustbin of history.

Time to sit back, relax and enjoy watching the 1% ruling the Empire trip over said arrogance as they have done lately, are doing right now and will do until the Empire shatters for good.
 
This is probably the most uninformed article I have ever seen from the Chinese Regime mouthpiece.

First of all, The root for democracy is from Ancient Greece, unless you want to claim ancient greece is "west", Democracy is not a system that's originate from the West.

The problem is that, while this is true there have no exist a system that's suitable for everyone, that does not make one system particular "standout" and one particular system in "decay" as the article suggest. It works on someone and it does not work on someone is equate to "Decay" or "Standout" then there will not be any political system to begin with, as I can also counter argue what good for China is not good everywhere else (a fact even the Chinese member concess to) does that mean the Chinese system is in decay?

What make one system great for one country depends on quite a lot of factors, each system have its strength and weakness, each system have their flaw and perfection. US Democracy system is excel in personal freedom, it embrace idea (good or bad) and contribution (good or bad) toward its country, but there comes good and you also need to take in the bad, as pin are always sharp at one end.

Chinese Dictator regime is good at controlling the population, sometime a country simply need to move in that direction whether the citizen like it or not, the good is if the guy on top is competent, it will steer China is the right direction, if the guy on top is incompetent, it will steer China in a bad direction.

There are no decay otherwise the system will not survive the test of time, democracy have been around for at least 3,000 years, how long have the Chinese system last? 70?



That is the point, ain't it?

When you can bad mouth some value openly at your home, of course you wouldn't see it as anything, what they should do is to raise a Chinese flag and move to China and start badmouthing the Chinese government, then they can come abck and talk to me about democratic value.....
bro no doubt. China is best. Chinese are best. The decaying west should adopt Ccp system and we all head to Adam and Eva paradise.

Viet is either living under a rock or a victim of the ARD/ZDF/Spiegel/Zeit Propaganda. More and more people are starting to wake up and call a spade a spade. Our so called democracy, if it ever was genuine, has degenerated to a proton fascist regime. This regime, of course, has learnt the mistakes made by the Nazis and other totalitarian regimes, e.g. killing and jailing anyone who speaks out against the official narrative. Instead, they call you a fascist, a hater, a racist etc. They ruin you financially if you hold a public office or work in the entertainment sector. In other words, they kill you slowly by killing your ability to interact socially.
That is new to me. I failed to realize I live under Proton racist regime. By the way, what is that?
 
bro no doubt. China is best. Chinese are best. The decaying west should adopt Ccp system and we all head to Adam and Eva paradise.


That is new to me. I failed to realize I live under Proton racist regime. By the way, what is that?

Of course, it's new to you, since you are to imbibed in the propaganda or live under a big rock.

I wrote that post on my smartphone, so you can imagine what happened with the word proto.
 
I think the problem with China is, that it has nothing in its society anyone in the West wants to copy. And i dont mean this in a bad way.

Italy could never in any way run like China. We are an individual society. Based on individuality and thats the norm in Europe.

You are spaghetti and pizza,known to have plenty of maffia and thieves. And wtf are you talking about?
 

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