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Were the Qajars the weakest dynasty that ruled Iran?

Russian have been defeated by Agha-Mohammad-khan Ghajar the first king of dynasty . but then they at the time of the second king Fath-Ali-shah Iran army defeated Russia at the first but when that moron refused to send money and provision for the Abbas-Mirza army Iran lost the war and it resulted to golestan treaty .
Maybe Qajars were just ruling during the wrong era. The 1800s saw the globe being dominated by European powers. In Iran and Turkey's case, they lost large territories to an expanding and unstoppable Russian superpower. In other parts of Asia things were even worse, Whole of India was taken over by the British.
 
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probably they were not the weakest but for sure they were the dumbest ever ruled iran.
 
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I seem to want to agree with Jaggu. The Qajars were simply ruling at a time when the West was dominating the whole world and Qajar failure to drive the Russians back in the Caucauses is simply because the Islamic world was still stuck a couple of centuries behind the West in terms of technological and cultural advancements.
 
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I dont know why you want to go back in time and compare Iranian and Turkic sunni dynasties to todays Shia Islamic republic. The turks started to fight against persians, not other way around. As i said I agree with you sunnism is a violent religion (starting from rashidun caliphates, followed by umayads and abbasids) and we witness it in different movements and different countries, like a virus it affected Iranics and Turkics in the 1000 years ago. Borders and nations don't discriminate when it comes to actions of sunni muslims. And it's positive that that ISIS wants to revive sunnism instead. It's like watching a theatre/show of history of sunnism.

However when talking about the recent history of Iran (past 300-400 years) and how they influenced todays ruling system of Iran, we see clearly that the safavids and qajars played a big role in empowerment of shia clerics, while the zand dynasty reduced them to ordinary citizens. In this every historian agrees, so who are you to disagree with this? And this is the topic here, about qajars weakening Iran, so don't go off-topic.

How is islamic republic pro-Iranian if we see that turks like Khalkhali wanted to destroy persepolis and executed thousands of prisoners and that turks like khamenei oppress Iranian people. Even khomeini was a recent imported mullah from india, just like how safavids and qajar imported mullahs to Iran to empower shia religion. His family name was khomeini hendizadeh.

Islamic republic clearly has a anti-Iranian ideology rooted in communism and MB ikhwan islamism. They also have no problems with pan-turkism and baathism as long as it doesnt affect the position of islamic republic. But harmless attacks on Iranian history and culture by these elements are tolerated by islamic republic.

The recent anti-Persian-sentiment by pan-Turkish are organized smoothly in Tractor FC–owned and managed by Revolutionary Guards– games. Mr. Nasser Pourpirar has openly questioned Iranian Identity, but his website is not filtered in Iran and even he publishes/sales his books in Tehran (Daneshga Tehran).
Basically most of these people (anti-Iranian identity) have common backgroundall of them have tendency to ultra-Islamic mixed with Marxism. People like Pourpirar Dr. Chamran and Zehtabi after successful dissolving of Iranian-Azerbaijan-Rep in 1946, and years later left Iran to Iraq, Libya, Syria and Egypt (1958-1970), there under Baathist regimes, they learned Arabic and Pan-Arabic ideology. After 1979 revolution because they were just cable of “translating Qhoran” only they easily infiltrated into new-Iranian-government and basically they shaped/influence heavily Iranian Foreign policy– as ultimate anti American, anti-Israeli & anti western in the region.

Read more here:
The Extreme Religious Right and the Muslim Brotherhood | Kaveh Farrokh

Opportunistic Elements with the Iranian Establishment | Kaveh Farrokh
The Iranian Left and Tudeh Communist Party | Kaveh Farrokh


Khomeneis ancestors were Persians from Nishapur. They only migrated to the Kingdom of Awadh in Uttar Pradesh but that doesn't make him Indian

Persians played a great role in the establishment of the Mullah regime and even in the Qajar era Persian clerics like Mirza Mohammed Hassan Shirazi led a protest against the tobacco consum in Iran which was legalized b the Qajar Naser Al Din Shah

Then we have the Persian Navvab Safavi (not his real name) who founded the Fadayan-e Islam group which assasinated many pro Shah politicians in Iran
 
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I think it's unfair to compare the weak era of a dynasty to the powerful era of a dynasty.Yes,the Achaemenid dynasty was powerful in some times,but in the end,they were destroyed by the Greeks.The Sassanids were conquered by Arabs,the Safavids were destroyed by Pashtuns,every dynasties have powerful times and weak era.The Qajars did not bad I think,at least,even in the end,they still kept the main part of Iran,Iran was still a semi-independent country,what the Qajars face were totally different with the anciet empires,the Russians and the British surely not some Arabs the Sasanids faced.And If we look at the history,most Asians were clonised by European powers that time(China,Japan,Thailand.Afghanistan,Iran and Turkey are the exceptions)
 
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Khomeneis ancestors were Persians from Nishapur. They only migrated to the Kingdom of Awadh in Uttar Pradesh but that doesn't make him Indian

Persians played a great role in the establishment of the Mullah regime and even in the Qajar era Persian clerics like Mirza Mohammed Hassan Shirazi led a protest against the tobacco consum in Iran which was legalized b the Qajar Naser Al Din Shah

Then we have the Persian Navvab Safavi (not his real name) who founded the Fadayan-e Islam group which assasinated many pro Shah politicians in Iran

Ofcourse persians also had a role in establishing islamic republic as well as the azeris since both were shia (kurds and baluch playeds no role because majority of them were sunni), however the shia clerics grew in power during safavids and qajars. Not during Reza shah who was fierce anti-cleric and also not during the great Zand Dynasty. You see these black turban terrorists like navab safavi, khomeini, khamenei? their ancestors were imported during safavids and qajars to spread shia islam.

Naming persian individuals from this and that place doesn't change anything because for each example I can mention many azeri individuals who played a role in establishing Islamic republic.
 
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I seem to want to agree with Jaggu. The Qajars were simply ruling at a time when the West was dominating the whole world and Qajar failure to drive the Russians back in the Caucauses is simply because the Islamic world was still stuck a couple of centuries behind the West in terms of technological and cultural advancements.

Islamic world (as a whole) is still a couple of centuries behind the West in terms of technological and cultural advancements. lol
 
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Islamic world (as a whole) is still a couple of centuries behind the West in terms of technological and cultural advancements. lol

Yep and our state is pretty simple for everybody to see. Colonialism may have ended but Neocolonialism still thrives
 
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rmi5 is weard

He hates the mullahs and pahlavis but he likes the qajars who were worst they were both theocracy and monarchy


As for the modernization they didn't adopt it because they like it or because they loved iran and Iranians they just did because they were forced by the iranian educated elite like what happened with the ottoman sultans next door
 
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rmi5 is weard

He hates the mullahs and pahlavis but he likes the qajars who were worst they were both theocracy and monarchy


As for the modernization they didn't adopt it because they like it or because they loved iran and Iranians they just did because they were forced by the iranian educated elite like what happened with the ottoman sultans next door
And so Jesus said to Lazarus stand and come forth.
 
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rmi5 is weard

He hates the mullahs and pahlavis but he likes the qajars who were worst they were both theocracy and monarchy


As for the modernization they didn't adopt it because they like it or because they loved iran and Iranians they just did because they were forced by the iranian educated elite like what happened with the ottoman sultans next door
He is a descendant of the Qajaris, thats why he is an idiot. Like father like son. :lol: The op insulted his great grandfather, so he is a bit emotional.
 
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He is a descendant of the Qajaris, thats why he is an idiot. Like father like son. :lol: The op insulted his great grandfather, so he is a bit emotional.
It doesn't change the fact that they were bad expect for Nader jahanbani and muhammad mossadegh

I read that the whore rajavi is qajar too
 
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