Wehrmacht vs Red army :Best WW2 eastern front animated.

[Desert Fox]

@Desert Fox You can realy believe that Fascism and Nazism is something good and is the only way to save the West. I do not care about West and the way it could be saved.
These bastards were enemies of my grandfathers. They came to my land and kill 15 millions civilians. They are like rabid animals or some sort of demons for me.
I do not like liberals as well.

Because they are good. They are realistic. And one doesn't have to love reality to accept it. That is a fact.

Communism is utopian, so is Liberalism.

Liberalism invades and destroys in the name of Democracy and Communism does the same in the name of anti-imperialism.


Here's the thing, your country was built on imperialism. Your Russia didn't just fall out of the sky from heaven. You took Muslim lands in central Asia and Caucasus.

You feel bad because Nazis and Fascist wanted to do the same to you? Cry me a river.

Fascist admit that imperialism is a part of life. Therefore Fascism is a more practical and realistic worldview.

 

[vostok]

Because they are good. They are realistic. And one doesn't have to love reality to accept it. That is a fact.

Communism is utopian, so is Liberalism.

Liberalism invades and destroys in the name of Democracy and Communism does the same in the name of anti-imperialism.


Here's the thing, your country was built on imperialism. Your Russia didn't just fall out of the sky from heaven. You took Muslim lands in central Asia and Caucasus.

You feel bad because Nazis and Fascist wanted to do the same to you? Cry me a river.

Fascist admit that imperialism is a part of life. Therefore Fascism is a more practical and realistic worldview.

Why should I cry? We won, not they.
Germans and Austrians were normal warriors during WW1 - they did not kill civilians at industrial scale. Fascists and Nazists were different case - they were soulless animals.

 

[Desert Fox]

They came to my land and kill 15 millions civilians.

If that's the case then why did Stalin, the "religious Christian", cooperate with Hitler, the "devil"?

Everyone knew since 1925 that Hitler wanted to invade Russia and take Russian land, he wrote this in Mein Kampf which was sold millions of copies before August, 1939 when Stalin signed pact with Hitler?

And he gave him resources to build his weapons and industries?

You have your Stalin to blame for the 15 million (or was it 25 million?) Russians.

 

[vostok]

If that's the case then why did Stalin, the "religious Christian", cooperate with Hitler, the "devil"?

Everyone knew since 1925 that Hitler wanted to invade Russia and take Russian land, he wrote this in Mein Kampf which was sold millions of copies before August, 1939 when Stalin signed pact with Hitler?

And he gave him resources to build his weapons and industries?

You have your Stalin to blame for the 15 million (or was it 25 million?) Russians.

640000 - all death sentencies 1923-1953 counting 1941-1945 martial law, not 15 mln or 15 bln.
Stalin made Russia great as it never was. All countries made pacts with Hitler - Poland, Britain, France and so on.
Stalin was the only one who realy want fight Hitler and proposed help to Chekhoslovakia. France and Britain refused. They believed Germans and Russian will kill each other.

 

[Desert Fox]

Why should I cry? We won, not they.

So then you agree that imperialism is normal? Because your Russia was built on imperialism.

If you are so against imperialism then relinquish all of the lands your ancestors stole from others.

Germans and Austrians were normal warriors during WW1 - they did not kill civilians at industrial scale.

Fascists and Nazists were different case - they were soulless animals.

And the Soviet Union was not slaughtering people on industrial scale?

Your Soviet Union killed more Slavs than Hiter. Strange isn't it?

Stalin kills more of his own people in peace time than Hitler does in war time?

Just like Mao kills millions of Chinese during peace time in cultural revolution and great leap forward.

 

[vostok]

So then you agree that imperialism is normal? Because your Russia was built on imperialism.

If you are so against imperialism then relinquish all of the lands your ancestors stole from others.




And the Soviet Union was not slaughtering people on industrial scale?

Your Soviet Union killed more Slavs than Hiter. Strange isn't it?

Stalin kills more of his own people in peace time than Hitler does in war time?

Just like Mao kills millions of Chinese during peace time in cultural revolution and great leap forward.

Well, when USSR occupied Eastern Europe we killed several hundreds or thousands people in 1945-1994. Not 15 millions in 2-3 years.
Imperialism is one thing - full destroying of locals is another. That is why you have republics in Central Asia with local population. Not some Russian states with reservations for remnants of locals.
Again I will tell you - 640000 in 1923-1953 is the number from archives. Millions or billions - is fantasy.

 

[Basel]

Well, of course. The Germans thought the winter in Russia is warm and tropical. But it turned out to be cold and frosty. Very strange.
Both my grandfathers fought in the War. I am very glad they have kicked arrogant German's ases.

Churchill played cleverly, if USSR and Germany would not have fought then it may have been bit different situation now.

 

[Desert Fox]

All countries made pacts with Hitler - Poland, Britain, France and so on.

So then don't complain when you get burned by fire after playing with it.

Again I will tell you - 640000 in 1923-1953 is the number from archives. Millions or billions - is fantasy.

That's false. Your own Soviet sources claim that 21 million were slaughtered by Soviet government up till 1941 June 22.

 

[Yankee-stani]

I would say the best leader in WW2 was Benito Mussolini of Italy and Ante Pavelic of Croatia, Hitler was too much of a hot head when it came to geopolitics, both Pavelic and Mussolini wanted to wait it out for the right time,also Hitler made some pretty s..ity deals with the J..ws also like dealing with Lehi who would later become the Irgun once the State of Israel was established as for the Holahoax I think a vast majority in both the West and East are getting tired of the narrative in 1945 everyone felt bad for the J,,ws by 1948 we saw how they uprooted the Arabs from Palestine and ever since their brutal oppresion and the creation of decadent western political order and their funding of Islamic Fundies in the 1960s and 1970s

The Axis for a cred did get along with the Muslims I mean Ante Pavlic in Croatia is well known for leading the SS Handchar comprised of Bosniaks at the time and Mussolini support of Albania as well

 

[Desert Fox]

Not 15 millions in 2-3 years.
Imperialism is one thing

That was a war in which your Soviet government did not respect rules of law and did not acknowledge the Geneva Convention.

Your Stalin utilized dirty tactics and forced women and children for human waves to charge German machine guns and tanks.

It was Soviet strategy that resulted in 15 million deaths in WW2 and Stalins pact with Hitler.

Your stalin knew Hitler wanted Russian land, but he still went to bed with him. You should blame stalin for putting Hitler in the position to attack and then for using reckless tactics like human waves to halt the Germans.

 

[Yankee-stani]

That was a war in which your Soviet government did not respect rules of law and did not acknowledge the Geneva Convention.

Your Stalin utilized dirty tactics and forced women and children for human waves to charge German machine guns and tanks.

It was Soviet strategy that resulted in 15 million deaths in WW2 and Stalins pact with Hitler.

Your stalin knew Hitler wanted Russian land, but he still went to bed with him. You should blame stalin for putting Hitler in the position to attack and then for using reckless tactics like human waves to halt the Germans.

Dont Forget Stalin also deported Natives and his own people the Georgians as well

 

[Desert Fox]

full destroying of locals is another. That is why you have republics in Central Asia with local population. Not some Russian states with reservations for remnants of locals.

So Stalin did not deport millions of troublesome population groups to Siberia like he did with Chechens, Tartars and Crimean Germans and replace them with Russian population?

I would say the best leader in WW2 was Benito Mussolini of Italy and Ante Pavelic of Croatia, Hitler was too much of a hot head when it came to geopolitics, both Pavelic and Mussolini wanted to wait it out for the right time,also Hitler made some pretty s..ity deals with the J..ws also like dealing with Lehi who would later become the Irgun once the State of Israel was established as for the Holahoax I think a vast majority in both the West and East are getting tired of the narrative in 1945 everyone felt bad for the J,,ws by 1948 we saw how they uprooted the Arabs from Palestine and ever since their brutal oppresion and the creation of decadent western political order and their funding of Islamic Fundies in the 1960s and 1970s

The Axis for a cred did get along with the Muslims I mean Ante Pavlic in Croatia is well known for leading the SS Handchar comprised of Bosniaks at the time and Mussolini support of Albania as well

Hitler was more cool headed than Mussolini. Mussolini took Italy into wars it was not ready for.

Mussolini was a great theorist, not a General. At least he should have waited for Italy to be adequately prepared before getting involved in wars against militarily and industrially superior nations like Britain and America.

Hitler was more pragmatic and a better leader overall.

Regarding his dealings with certain Zionist elements, it is detestable from Muslim perspective but from German perspective they wanted Jews to leave Germany by any way necessary and they found common cause with Zjonists.

 

[Yankee-stani]

So Stalin did not deport millions of troublesome population groups to Siberia like he did with Chechens, Tartars and Crimean Germans and replace them with Russian population?


Hitler was more cool headed than Mussolini. Mussolini took Italy into wars it was not ready for.

Mussolini was a great theorist, not a General. At least he should have waited for Italy to be adequately prepared before getting involved in wars against militarily and industrially superior nations like Britain and America.

Hitler was more pragmatic and a better leader overall.

Regarding his dealings with certain Zionist elements, it is detestable from Muslim perspective but from German perspective they wanted Jews to leave Germany by any way necessary and they found common cause with Zjonists.

When Hitler and NSDAP party came into power in 1933 he was pretty pragmatic but I think once 1937 came around he became too much of a hothead first in the Asia-Pacific front he ditched the Kuomomantang under General Chiang Kai Shek for the Japanese real stupid move and I really think Ribbentrop was very shitty advisor for Hitler on the European front Mussolini warned Hitler not to go further from Sudatenland and Czechoslovakia until like 1943 once both the economies and armed forces of Italy,Germany and Japan were in full sync that did not happen because Hitler invaded Poland too quickly and went full eastward in 1939 plus he let Japan too lose in Asia,causing the Yanks,the Anglos to be spooked and he should have warned the Japanese from attacking Hawaii in 1941 those mistakes put Hitler in bad spot cost him in the long run,as for dealing with the Zionists I agree for Muslims it was bad but from a German perspective at the time it was quick way to rid of the Jews

Lol, that's not Hitler. I know you wish it were.

If only your grandfathers could live to see the lovely world they fought to create, with its fagg parades, trannies and unlimited gay p0rn and materialistic hedonism. The great freedoms that the proletariat enjoys. I guess the Communist dream really has been fulfilled: no God, no religion, just live for this world and then die, just like a pig. Hell, even a pig knows its purpose in life, so I won't insult the pig here. But you get what I mean.

Introducing gay Communists :

I would say the Czech Republic is probably the most pozzed Ex Communist state out there yet I am suprised its still homogenous,USSR sucked but it wasnt full communist it was more like closet fascit state simliar to what the PRC is nowadays

Churchill played cleverly, if USSR and Germany would not have fought then it may have been bit different situation now.

Churchill was real douche if it wasnt for him the Yanks under FDR would have avoided a war with the Axis

 

[Nilgiri]

@vostok

I understand where you are coming from and support lot of what you saying...but Stalin killed/murdered lot of people totally unnecessarily...one must admit that.

Russians/USSR pretty much took Communism to its best practical level (raw bulk + strategic depth of the country helped a lot)....but its ultimately a failed ideology and had too many inherent flaws that is was slow to realise to. The best aspects that materialised are actually pseudo sort of nationalism (and you can find an example in today China which still claims to be communist)....but it always conflicted badly both with handling internal dissent/debate and also its reliance on the vague notion of the "people" rather than nation (and this caused it to become quite globalist and self defeating....I mean look at all the stuff USSR got involved in financing/supporting worldwide which it could have been spending internally which would have likely prevented its break-up in the end).

I mean you just need to look at Russia today....is Putin a communist or nationalist?

I agree that liberals are disease and infect almost any ideology to different degrees (especially when allowed time and space to fester and grow)....but pure Communism/socialism is especially susceptible to it....because one can distort the "people" interests quite readily when nationalism is abandoned.

 

[Yankee-stani]

@vostok


Russians/USSR pretty much took Communism to its best practical level (raw bulk + strategic depth of the country helped a lot)....but its ultimately a failed ideology and had too many inherent flaws that is was slow to realise to. The best aspects that materialised are actually pseudo sort of nationalism (and you can find an example in today China which still claims to be communist)....but it always conflicted badly both with handling internal dissent/debate and also its reliance on the vague notion of the "people" rather than nation (and this caused it to become quite globalist and self defeating....I mean look at all the stuff USSR got involved in financing/supporting worldwide which it could have been spending internally which would have likely prevented its break-up in the end).

I mean you just need to look at Russia today....is Putin a communist or nationalist?

I agree that liberals are disease and infect almost any ideology to different degrees (especially when allowed time and space to fester and grow)....but pure Communism/socialism is especially susceptible to it....because one can distort the "people" interests quite readily when nationalism is abandoned.

I am glad the USSR got the boot and its sad to see shrillers Afghans and Indians love the USSR it was never okay under Stalin cause he deported his own damn people the Georgians and the Caucausians from their homeland plus the early USSR was degenrate Lenin practically legalaized Homos and the SJW nonsense I give Stalin one cred he made the USSR more nationalist in general but still one right does not correct a wrong he was a douche I would say the only tolerable leader in the USSR was Brezhnev and Gorbachev but Brezhnev mistake was invading Afghanistan and Gorbachev mistake was trusting Reagan too much.Putin is more of a Civic Nationalist than a Euro-Nationalist like some Alt-Right folks claim he is he wants a Russia like USSR lite respected not a drug adicated whore image of the Yeltsin years of the 1990s.The only Communist state I could respect is the People's Republic of China they counter the USSR wrongs and in general were more pragmatic and I hope they prevent the Libshits from runing China anytime soon good thin Xi is more of a nationalist and is weeding out the neo libs from the CCP