We will make a case for 10000km missile with Gov

[ni8mare]

Case of Misplaced Priorities.
> Replace all Prithvi I and II with Solid Fueled Prahaar
>K4 SLBM MIRV warhead, RV5 and 6 with Solid fuel thrust correction cartridges.
>20mm Medak automated fire control gun stations for forward posts.
>Guided Rockets and Anti tank munitions for Pinaka Mrbl
>20mm grenade munitions hand held launchers and ubgl
>Brahmos mini and Nirbhay ALCM, and a 6x6 launchers.
>Indigenous Super sonic antishipping missile
>40 Gigajoules Thermobaric Conventional munitions.

Where is long range sam?

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Well for sure it is not intended for Pakistan so as a Pakistani i do not care. However by your argument, are you implying saying that a 10000Km land based ballistic missile is a prerequisite for a SLBM? considering that the country already have 5, 6 thousand km range missiles?


sorry what do you mean to say?
i was pointing that India's development of longer range SLBM and investing in that technology makes sense rather than 10000 Km land based systems that will practically of of no to very little use. there was an argument that for SLBM they required to develop a land based system first and to that i pointed that you already have the land based system, sorry couldn't get the point you are trying to make.

I think there's gonna be a big learning curve. Agni 5 is quite compact, but if you try to put more propellants to make a longer range missile, it'll quickly become heavy and difficult to manage. I think the ideal would be a missile a bit larger than Agni 5 with a 10 K range, that way it'll be very mobile and capable of fast deployment (Like the Agni 5 which was shot off a rail launcher in it's very first try). This would mean different propellants. I don't know if we are using hypergolic fuels already, but somehow feels that we may use that intensely for the new missile. In which case safety will be an extremely important aspect (if we're not already using them I mean). @anant_s do you know anything about the fuel mix we're using? Someone told me that in PSLV we're using toxic aerosols that will kill you if you're anywhere near the thing around launch time. But not sure if we're using stuff like hypergolics etc.

 

[surya kiran]

India can do this with ease. Although it is overkill, considering both its rivals have a shared border. But then I believe India's ambitions go beyond this region and India wants to ensure its survival at any cost, which includes the ability to hit any nation that may threaten it. I actually commend them for that.

You never know who is going to threaten you tomorrow. The objective is to not hit our enemy. But to scare them enough to not attack. If Ukraine, possessed those nukes, today the situation would have been different.

@Arsalan point I was making was our current missile systems cannot target areas beyond 6000 kms with maximum payload. Your point of saying we should move to SLBM is well taken, except that, the concept of the triad requires land based too. The subs are based on stealth. The land based have different strengths. Also, I am not sure we have the guidance systems for launch from a sub to the ranges we are talking about. You can also check out a system developed by the Soviets earlier. The launch is to orbit and then separation of the warhead happens in orbit. In this scenario, the concept of interdicting the warhead becomes even more difficult to achieve. We are decades behind the Soviets and Americans, irrespective of what we think.

I think there's gonna be a big learning curve. Agni 5 is quite compact, but if you try to put more propellants to make a longer range missile, it'll quickly become heavy and difficult to manage. I think the ideal would be a missile a bit larger than Agni 5 with a 10 K range, that way it'll be very mobile and capable of fast deployment (Like the Agni 5 which was shot off a rail launcher in it's very first try). This would mean different propellants. I don't know if we are using hypergolic fuels already, but somehow feels that we may use that intensely for the new missile. In which case safety will be an extremely important aspect (if we're not already using them I mean). @anant_s do you know anything about the fuel mix we're using? Someone told me that in PSLV we're using toxic aerosols that will kill you if you're anywhere near the thing around launch time. But not sure if we're using stuff like hypergolics etc.

PSLV has liquid stages. Hypergolic as per my knowledge, which is limited are liquid fueled based. Agni V is three stage solid propellant. If we have used know-how from PSLV then it will be HTPB based. This is just a guess. The reason for solid fuel is not toxicity. Solid fueled rockets are more difficult to detect. Liquid fueled can be detected by spy satellites when they are being fueled.