We need to talk about Indians and their "fakeness" in regards to Turkey, Islam, Japan and the West

[ThunderCat]

Actually they don’t - I don’t want to make this a Turkey bashing thread but the European dislike Turkish people with a passion - ask any Cypriot or Bulgarian.

Yes it's true, but there is a catch.

I was trolled by a Croatian on Quora almost a year ago who claimed to have lived in Istanbul. His hate mongering comments against Pakistanis and how Turkey is a great "secular" "gender-equal" country and being "culturally closer to Europe" alone made it clear to me who's been brainwashing him.

He's actually only one example of how foreigners who visit Western Turkey's coastal areas get brainwashed by these Kemalists against Pakistanis. These same Kemalists compare themselves to religious lower classes of other Muslim countries to show case their "secularism."

Talk about comparing apples and oranges. What if I were to compare the secular urban upper classes of Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad etc. to the rural religious classes of Turkey. Not fair, right?

But that Croatian troll is only one example. I've noticed this trend of foreigners going to Turkey and experiencing it's less religious areas and Kemalists taking advantage of it and convincing them that it represents Turkey as a whole, while the rest of the Muslim countries are like Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Mostly European and North American neo-liberals, including feminists (probably the stupidest of their kind) fall prey to these Kemalists and other kinds of pseudodo-secularists around the world.

While it's not to suggest Turks as a whole hate Pakistanis and are quite friendly to it, the Kemalists blame us and hold us in contempt under the false premise that they are "too secular" to relate to us because we are "too religious."

I mentioned in another thread, I knew one in person and he was one of the worst low-life liars i'd come across. And as I also mentioned, an ethnic Greek woman who's grandfather survived their atrocities, told me they cannot be argued with might be true, the problem is they are busy poisoning other people's minds against Pakistanis and trying to gain support amongst Europeans.

I was trolled again by a Greek woman on Quora, again without asking for her comment on how Pakistan can be advanced like Turkey when our women are uneducated and have no rights. Looking through her profile, she frequently traveled to Turkey's Western coasts.

Only after linking a video on honor killings in Turkey and explaining to her that she hasn't seen the greater aspect of Turkey, she later then began delete her comments aka "eating her own words."

The Croatian also backed out of the argument when i linked a video of Pakistani peacekeepers re-stabilizing Croatia. But he turned up again commenting to others about how Pakistanis think of Turks as their brothers because of Ertugul and the feeling is not mutual.

I messaged him in private and told him how "European brotherhood" is a fantasy and how Turks and Slavs alike are disliked by West Europeans.

Im not trying to claim Turks cannot be genuinely secular. I have named a few genuinely secular Turkish scholars myself on this forum. But the pseuodo-secular Kemalists are not friends of Pakistanis and need to be rooted out and exposed seeing how they not only lie, but incite others that they've brainwashed to lie on their behalf.

 

[Chat SAMOSA]

It is not clear why this thread was necessary at all, in the first place.

I found it quite instructive on Pakistani Pride, especially in the UK. Also had not heard of it being a race before.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I found it quite instructive on Pakistani Pride, especially in the UK. Also had not heard of it being a race before.

interesting reply. I should have thought British pride would be more relevant.

I still don't understand why this thread was necessary.

 

[PakistaniandProud]

Might want to pin this thread @waz before it gets washed away. Quite informative.

 

[ThunderCat]

A lot of people aren't aware, plus Indians outnumber us by a lot, they are littered online literally everywhere. I've seen tons of Pakistanis trying to tackle their disinformation but it's just select individuals, whereas India has organised campaigns which are much more effective.

Wikipedia is a great example of that. The Pakistanis there are done for there for the most part.

 

[RayKalm]

A good step in the right direction; Twitter, under Elon Musk, is said to be slowly outlawing Twitter accounts that peddle fake news such as the Indian-origin account, "The_Fauxy", described in the OP.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1590884973535711232

Example of a Tweet from that account:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498301067557175303

 

[nahtanbob]

that naturally comes when you make up 17% of the world population
- in fact its underperforming but I guess with the near mentally challenged IQ level of average Indians probably not...

Muslims are 25% of the world's population too

 

[PakistaniandProud]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592418051575533569

More fake news from Turkey calling out the "rented Indians" as Pakistanis. The people Qatar paid to celebrate other team members, they are labelling them as Pakistanis.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594482865341091843

 

[SabzShaheen]

Muslims are 25% of the world's population too

Missed the original lineage of posts but why make the distinction between Indians and Muslims Mr. Hwite American? Muslims are just as Indian right?

Simply, there is not a concerted global effort to keep Hindus divided as there is with the Muslim world, which I can provide you with reading on if required.

Compare achievements of Islamic Empires vs Hindus and you’ll why the latter has maintained its exonym

 

[PakistaniandProud]

@ThunderCat

https://twitter.com/x/status/1600567385462816779

Take a look at this tweet.

 

[ThunderCat]

@ThunderCat
Take a look at this tweet.

The typical insecure Turkish feminist who acts as if she's never been to her country. Living in her own bubble world.

The funny part is that I thought they were all Pakistani. She looks as Pakistani as your typical upper class Pakistani women even in Western clothes. The pic of the woman in the twitter post.

If you got a twitter account, send that twerp these videos. Ask her if she would prefer this for her fellow turkish woman:

Here's one from the United Nations:

 

[Asian.Century]

 

[ThunderCat]

The reason is simple. The ones that are more interested to be called as Turk Europeans, which are there atheists secular ones , don’t want that Islamic/Arabic stereotype on them. They pretend live as sophisticated human beings in there daily lives and most are not even Muslim. This Turkish people want to be called European because otherwise are only be called Asian, or Arabs camel riders. I’ve only pointed on this minority who I really believe are the trouble makers here not all of turkey maybe I’m wrong I don’t know.

There are some who are not atheist and still talk/write nonsense about Pakistanis. Mostly these "secularists." Not necessarily atheists. So it's not that simple.

 

[PakistaniandProud]

Looks like the situation has settled down by a lot, at least in regard to some groups.

 

[nahtanbob]

Missed the original lineage of posts but why make the distinction between Indians and Muslims Mr. Hwite American? Muslims are just as Indian right?

Simply, there is not a concerted global effort to keep Hindus divided as there is with the Muslim world, which I can provide you with reading on if required.

Compare achievements of Islamic Empires vs Hindus and you’ll why the latter has maintained its exonym

Most Hindus happen to live in India. As far as Muslims no one is stopping them from uniting

You Pakistanis are a joke. You blow away half your country and want to create a homeland with rest of world's Muslims.

You can talk all you want about Islam and brotherhood. Any Muslim country with money does not want poor Muslims. That is reality. I suppose brotherhood has its limits.