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We are thankful to Jinnah for giving us an independent Pakistan

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Well, at least you and I have normal lives to go about. One wonders what these folks have considering the time they spend on PDF.

Both of you share about 50,000 posts, that's a considerable amount of time on PDF.
 
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51, my apologies

So how exactly connected is the Indian society? We have a communal issue flaring up in the UP as we speak.. all it took was some numbskulls led by their local Maulvi to have Hindus and Muslims and everyone else cursing the heck out of each other all over the Indian nation. And that after the fact that the Indian leadership has generally been from the best cream of the crop, its minds being represented from all echelons of society; its still having strife at the slightest of whims?

By contrast, Pakistan has been led by the worst in its society after Jinnah. And hell has no luck on either front...lost three wars and with the sort of divides it has.. still manages to keep going. Considering you are all from the same shitpool of a gene bank as many Pakistanis.. what guile do you have to critique the most unfortunate of nation for still going when you in all your fortune have your society shivering at the slightest of pricks?
 
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Both of you share about 50,000 posts, that's a considerable amount of time on PDF.

Nope, That is a considerable amount of time spread over a long period. That is time given at the very least of the day.
Half of the folks here joined two years ago and are already the so called "senior" or "elite".
 
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We are at war you are not, yet you had more bomb blasts than Pakistan last year.

I don't know about that and cannot admit to it. Perhaps so. The question you must ask yourself, is which nation is more fragmented and which of the two are in a state of chaotic civil war ? In hindsight, if Pakistan and Bangladesh were not carved away from India, you surely cannot deny that India would possibly have balkanised into numerous other states comprising Muslim states, Sikh states, Hindi speaking states, a Christian state , Tamil speaking state etc. This fragmentation would obviously have been spearheaded by Muslim demands for independence once the idea of a secular nature of India was discarded. A catalyst which Mr Jinnah removed from India's side. Hence our respect for the man and our appreciation to him for ensuring the growth of current day secular India. It may have its problems and perhaps in a 100 years time it may not even exist as a united nation. At least he gave those who wanted to embrace secularism and true democracy a chance to do so whilst giving those who sought an Islamic identity in then India a chance to go ahead and do so. The fact remains that the secular democratic India leads in rankings currently despite the various obstacles placed in its path
 
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We are at war you are not, yet you had more bomb blasts than Pakistan last year.
mazerat ke saath araz karronga mohtram admin sirji

the war was started by pakistan itself but thats another topic

as for thanking jinnah yes he did a great service to india and humanity by helping in divission of india too bad that owr soft leaders then count do it 100%

but then again pakistanies today are paying for there sins against humanity of ethnik cleansing & uprooting of more than 7 million hindus and sikhs from there ancesstrol lands and nation

then it was hindus and sikhs to do tashaddut on now since they are almost extinct in pakistan christians, shias , ahmedies are going thru it so are so called "sensible and modrate muslims"

pakistanies are like those children whose parents died when they were infants but there coustady was given to there cruel and greedy relatives


so pakistanies should be happy & concerened with pakistani affairs and letothers live in peace to ... thanks
 
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So how exactly connected is the Indian society? We have a communal issue flaring up in the UP as we speak.. all it took was some numbskulls led by their local Maulvi to have Hindus and Muslims and everyone else cursing the heck out of each other all over the Indian nation. And that after the fact that the Indian leadership has generally been from the best cream of the crop, its minds being represented from all echelons of society; its still having strife at the slightest of whims?

By contrast, Pakistan has been led by the worst in its society after Jinnah. And hell has no luck on either front...lost three wars and with the sort of divides it has.. still manages to keep going. Considering you are all from the same shitpool of a gene bank as many Pakistanis.. what guile do you have to critique the most unfortunate of nation for still going when you in all your fortune have your society shivering at the slightest of pricks?

In every democracy you are bound to have strife. That is the nature of a democracy. In China eg, if somebody attempted to stir up communal strife, they would languish in a cell for a few weeks before being shot by a firing squad. A few Maulvi type Muslim/ Sikh/Hindu or Christian doesn't make up Indian society comprising 1,2 billion. Strife has to exist in our society comprising various beliefs whether of a religious, political or other nature. The question to be asked is how we address the strife and whether we have been successful in doing so. The answer is glaringly obvious from the fact that India exists, India progresses and India remains a respected democracy.

Yes, the culture and the identity is indeed the same. Pakistan was created for a specific political goal. That goal differed hugely from India's. The Pakistani objective showed its first major failure with the division of East from West Pakistan. Nobody is guiling you. It is simply an opinion of the average Indian that if partition had not occurred, the problems which you currently face would have been our problems. Hence we remain grateful to your founder for removing that obstacle from our path.
 
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Nope, That is a considerable amount of time spread over a long period. That is time given at the very least of the day.
Half of the folks here joined two years ago and are already the so called "senior" or "elite".

I joined around the same time as you and have 1/4 the number of posts which you have. Guess I do have a life eh :P
 
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