We Are All Harappans

[padamchen]

Hindustani is a Culture from UP and Bihar, Hindi-Urdu are result of that culture and people.

we are South Asian people,Tribal Ethnicity or Tribal confederacy with well-defined customs,Language, traditions, scripts, way of life etc. only those who have similar kind of Tribal Structure can understand what i am saying like Rajputs, Pashtuns, Kurds etc. i have a Pashtun friend from Pakistan whom i met on Indo-European language group and he defined this to a European better than me.



yep, just like Australoid,Negros, Neolithics and Europeans. unlike some people we accept our Heritage.




eh, only two Turko-Mongol kings imposed Jaziya upon Brahmins one is Aurangzeb and another one's name i forgot. basically 60/80 years out of 1500.

other hand these conquorors like Qasim were very kind towards us, sure Brahmin Dahir dynesty was gone but still he personally announced that 3% of total revenue of Sindh and Multan will be Granted to us Brahmins.



i dont know any of these man.



i guess.




nope. both my Father and my uncle(Bde-abbu?) are pure Brahmins, over 6.3" tall, Pale Pink skin, Razor thin lips and Small Pointy nose. but both of them look 100% Indian. why ? because we are rigvedic Aryans not Iranic Aryans.

"pure" Brahmins would look similar to Blond Haired, Blue/Green eyed ectinet Nord Central Asians. as per some oldest hymns of our books.(unfortunately i forgot their names)



basically you are a Kushan right ?




it was never ours to begin with, it was always majority "natives" who started this movement. if we Brahmins started something like this we could complete our Goal in just 5 to 10 years.

Modi is OBC, Amit shah is jain baniya, Baba Ramdev is an Ahir.

they are taking whole country on ride.

Are you saying Hedgewar, Golvalkar, Upadhyay and co were not Brahmins?

Please ....

Cheers, Doc

 

[Great Brahmin]

Most Brahmins would be genetically more similar to Pakistanis, with a small minority of more "pure" ones being more genetically similar to Afghans. Only a very tiny minority would have more in common with Europeans than anyone else, but I don't find it impossible to believe you could be one of them.

hell, avg Brahmin sample as i said before is closest to euros with just 0.10 Distance. now should i start calling my self European or White ? we were Pure ones thousands of years ago with Blue/green eyes and blond hair now we are not. those were purest ones.

founder of my Brahmin clan is described as 6 feet tall, Long faced, strong jawed, green eyed Warrior with cut on scar on his face abstracting from nose to ear, thats pure Brahmin to me.

No, basically I'm a Pakistani, and like all other Pakistanis, my ancestry is all over the place. I personally choose to identify as Muslim first anyway, so this stuff doesn't really bother me too much.

good for you, for us Bloodline(Brahmanism) comes first and foremost, everything else is secondary.[/QUOTE]

No, pretty much all the ones that imposed Jizya imposed it upon you guys as well.

it was taughlaq

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...AEILTAB#v=onepage&q=jizya on Brahmins&f=false

Yes, Qasim was nice to you guys as were many others since they wanted to integrate you into the Islamic empire's, and it pretty much worked

most likely it was due to our ethnicity.

(a lot of Muslims are descended from Brahmin converts).

lol more like 0.0000001% in the sea of Dalit converts.

some famous converts were all sultans of 4 Deccan sultanates and first nawab of Bwngal,Bihar and orissa murshid quali khan who founded murshidabad.

most are larpers today.

Are you saying Hedgewar, Golvalkar, Upadhyay and co were not Brahmins?

Please ....

Cheers, Doc

3 in the sea of millions...

remember massacre of 1948 ? there is a sward dangling on our Heads just like yours, sikhs and some other minority.

after all Moolnivasi blood is thicker than water.

 

[padamchen]

hell, avg Brahmin sample as i said before is closest to euros with just 0.10 Distance. now should i start calling my self European or White ? we were Pure ones thousands of years ago with Blue/green eyes and blond hair now we are not. those were purest ones.

founder of my Brahmin clan is described as 6 feet tall, Long faced, strong jawed, green eyed Warrior with cut on scar on his face abstracting from nose to ear, thats pure Brahmin to me.



good for you, for us Bloodline(Brahmanism) comes first and foremost, everything else is secondary.



it was taughlaq

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Zpa8gyGW_twC&pg=PA284&dq=jizya+on+Brahmins&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjUgqnlutbcAhVJURoKHTKuCAkQ6AEILTAB#v=onepage&q=jizya on Brahmins&f=false



most likely it was due to our ethnicity.



lol more like 0.0000001% in the sea of Dalit converts.

some famous converts were all sultans of 4 Deccan sultanates and first nawab of Bwngal,Bihar and orissa murshid quali khan who founded murshidabad.

most are larpers today.



3 in the sea of millions...

remember massacre of 1948 ? there is a sward dangling on our Heads just like yours, sikhs and some other minority.

after all Moolnivasi blood is thicker than water.

By the look of things, I agree with you.

The class war is also likely to be a blood war.

Hindu Muslim is a hauvva. I've said it so often before that you could not have missed it.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Great Brahmin]

By the look of things, I agree with you.

The class war is also likely to be a blood war.

Hindu Muslim is a hauvva. I've said it so often before that you could not have missed it.

Cheers, Doc

who would win ? a small community of 2.5% and declining people of now over 85% strong moolnivasi who are hell bent on destroying everything due to their original animistic beliefs ?

today Dalit-Muslim bhai bhai in Maharashtra and BIMARU is just reflation of whats going to happen in near future.

Bamman, Paajis, Parsi-bawas etc all will Take huge hit by 2050. remember, caste based census of 2011 is kept private by GOI.

after our Departure they will destroy whatever is left of India or Indo-Aryan/Brahmanic civilizations with help of their Dravidian bros of south an will migrate in huge numbers to Pakistan like Muhajirs did. and being proud muslim @Taimur Khurram and @Indus Pakistan will gladly take over millions and millions in their land due to ummah and give their Daughters to these Migrants in future all all south Asians will look same.

you see i see India as East Africa. where tiny minority of 10% to 30% controlled everything and built everything, from Rigvedics to Iranics to Scythians, huns etc while majority lived outside civilized urban centers now just like Bangladesh(animist,Austroloids+munda dravidians) and South Africa when these tiny minority of 5% to 15% will either get killed, left powerless and those people who have never seen civilization will rose to power 85% to 90%(lalus rings any bells ?) and we will see a huge migration of these people to our neighbors in West like Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan.

this is why i dont understand why some Pakistanis or Afghanis hate us Brahmins, Rajputs, Parsis, Baniyas etc. we are the only people who are stopping this implosion from happening, if anything they should support us or their grand kids will look like munda-Dravida mix.


what do you think ?

 

[Peshwa]

Nobody around today has a culture similar to that of IVC's.

The earliest civilisation in the region that anyone from South Asia is similar to culturally would be the Vedic civilisation, but even then only Indo-Aryans and Iranic's would have anything in common with them.

So just to clarify, one does not have knowlegde of the culture of the IVC or Indus as you put it, yet the accusation of stealing and theft is being levied?
How can you steal something when no one knows what it is you’re stealing?
How can you claim something no one knows what it is you’re claiming?

Doesn’t make any sense...what are the Gangadeshis stealing?

 

[my2cents]

Umm... Literally, the retard racism even with the samples? A sample from all the way up in Haryana shows no C. Asian markings, even when today C. Asian markings shows up as low geographically as S. India even among most tribals even. Markers show M.E. farmers and S. Asian Hunter and gather mixed - an affinity to ASI, not ANI, which is the other major marker in S. Asia, which will come about later from this sample's death.

So when you go about retard statements like Ganga, Shudra, what have you, you do realize that's what some of the population is made up of, right? When you show your racist face to tribals, Ganga, or whatever nonsense - You do realize that's also in your make up too, right? ASI along with ANI marker are what makes S. Asians who they are, just in different frequencies.

Instead of the stupid racism, you should realize how connected this huge land mass of the subcontinent is. Even the tribal of tribal are somehow connected to you.

We south asians are even connected to Eurasian hominid species Neanderthals who got extinct some 250,000 years ago. Everyone who is outside Africa has traces of Neanderthal DNA. It is assumed that our ancestors migrated from Africa some 700,000 thousand year ago by crossing the Eurasian mountains. They encountered Neanderthals and interbred with them. Their dna is also found among europeans, east asians and Chinese. So we are all connected in some way or other.

Indigenous sub-Saharan Africans have none, or very little Neanderthal DNA because their ancestors did not migrate through Eurasia.

 

[Hamza913]

what are the Gangadeshis stealing?

Anybody from Hindustan who is not from the boundaries of IVC cannot claim IVC. It's called Indus Valley Civilisation for a region, it centred around the Indus region which includes eastern Afghanistan, Pakistan and north-west Hindustan.

It's simple, unless you come from an area that was part of IVC, it's not yours.

My problem is less to do with IVC and more to do with the history of the region as a whole. You guys come in like vultures and claim every bit of history from Pakistan just because you kept the name India, which makes as much sense as the FYROM claiming Macedonian history.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Anybody from Hindustan who is not from the boundaries of IVC cannot claim IVC. It's called Indus Valley Civilisation for a region, it centred around the Indus region which includes eastern Afghanistan, Pakistan and north-west Hindustan.

It's simple, unless you come from an area that was part of IVC, it's not yours.

My problem is less to do with IVC and more to do with the history of the region as a whole. You guys come in like vultures and claim every bit of history from Pakistan just because you kept the name India, which makes as much sense as the FYROM claiming Macedonian history.

Well, no, because here is genetic proof that the locals have an affinity to ASI groups.

this is why i dont understand why some Pakistanis or Afghanis hate us Brahmins, Rajputs, Parsis, Baniyas etc. we are the only people who are stopping this implosion from happening, if anything they should support us or their grand kids will look like munda-Dravida mix.


what do you think ?

Shit, you better hope your crusade on the internet works from that happening, bud.

You guys go on posting your pictures on the internet genetic forums end up looking like any other Indian.

 

[Hamza913]

good for you, for us Bloodline(Brahmanism) comes first and foremost, everything else is secondary.


most likely it was due to our ethnicity.



lol more like 0.0000001% in the sea of Dalit converts.

Sounds quite backwards.

LMAO no it wasn't, he routinely slaughtered Brahmins who opposed him and took them as slaves. It was only the ones that co-operated that got spared, and those ones have nothing to do with you, most of them would have Muslim descendants today.

Hahaha, now I've heard it all. Each caste had a sizeable number of people convert to Islam and intermarry with people who migrated to the region during the Islamic era. There is no evidence for the crap you are saying, in fact, there is plenty against it. We have so many Muslim Rajputs today that are living proof against your claim.

Well, no, because here is genetic proof that the locals have an affinity to ASI groups.

By that logic, pretty much all history in South Asia belongs to everyone, from Afghanistan to Bangladesh, because we all have ASI admixture in us. I want you to process how that sounds, because it means:

Pakistanis can claim the Marathas

Hindustanis can claim the Durranis

Bangladeshis can claim the Sikh Empire

Do I really need to go on?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

By that logic, pretty much all history in South Asia belongs to everyone, from Afghanistan to Bangladesh, because we all have ASI admixture in us. I want you to process how that sounds, because it means:

Pakistanis can claim the Marathas

Hindustanis can claim the Durranis

Bangladeshis can claim the Sikh Empire

Do I really need to go on?

You're right, everyone is interconnected in away. But the sample shows markers pointing to ASI affinity, and a lack of ANI. So who are the natural closer relatives? People who have more ASI affinity, lesser ANI. This isnt to say Pakistanis cant claim this or that, not the point. But relation IS closer to people's outside of Pakistan as well, that's not irrelevant as you make it out to be.

It's like Uzbeks not laying claim to the early Mughals, even though they're ruling in Indo-Pak region. Or Afghans not claiming Suri. Or the British in India. Vikings in Britian, etc. There's a clear affinity.

 

[Hamza913]

But relation IS closer to people's outside of Pakistan as well

No, because they started in and were centred around Pakistan.

Or Afghans not claiming Suri

Pashtuns is a better word.

You're right, everyone is interconnected in away.

Thank God you're sane enough to admit that, too many people on this forum don't understand that concept.

 

[padamchen]

who would win ? a small community of 2.5% and declining people of now over 85% strong moolnivasi who are hell bent on destroying everything due to their original animistic beliefs ?

today Dalit-Muslim bhai bhai in Maharashtra and BIMARU is just reflation of whats going to happen in near future.

Bamman, Paajis, Parsi-bawas etc all will Take huge hit by 2050. remember, caste based census of 2011 is kept private by GOI.

after our Departure they will destroy whatever is left of India or Indo-Aryan/Brahmanic civilizations with help of their Dravidian bros of south an will migrate in huge numbers to Pakistan like Muhajirs did. and being proud muslim @Taimur Khurram and @Indus Pakistan will gladly take over millions and millions in their land due to ummah and give their Daughters to these Migrants in future all all south Asians will look same.

you see i see India as East Africa. where tiny minority of 10% to 30% controlled everything and built everything, from Rigvedics to Iranics to Scythians, huns etc while majority lived outside civilized urban centers now just like Bangladesh(animist,Austroloids+munda dravidians) and South Africa when these tiny minority of 5% to 15% will either get killed, left powerless and those people who have never seen civilization will rose to power 85% to 90%(lalus rings any bells ?) and we will see a huge migration of these people to our neighbors in West like Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan.

this is why i dont understand why some Pakistanis or Afghanis hate us Brahmins, Rajputs, Parsis, Baniyas etc. we are the only people who are stopping this implosion from happening, if anything they should support us or their grand kids will look like munda-Dravida mix.


what do you think ?

I think you are romanticising the Indic Pakistanis a bit too much.

Woh ek hi thali ke chatte patte hain.

Ours stream there. Theirs stream here. It's the same base genepool drift either way.

The Parsis probably won't be around either way.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Water Car Engineer]

No, because they started in and were centred around Pakistan.

Sure, a lot of things went through, started, etc. from there when talking about the subcontinent, it's the gateway.

But you wanna go off, "blood", etc. what have you the genetic portion isnt going to be ignored. Otherwise everything is static to the region, which wasnt the case. The samples lack ANI, shows affinity to ASI groups. You're not going to brush that off. There is a connection from the people's there at the time to people's outside Pakistan as well, there's genetic proof to it. And it's not a weak connection, it's a strong one.

 

[Hamza913]

Sure, a lot of things went through, started, etc. from there when talking about the subcontinent, it's the gateway.

But you wanna go off, "blood", etc. what have you the genetic portion isnt going to be ignored. Otherwise everything is static to the region, which wasnt the case. The samples lack ANI, shows affinity to ASI groups. You're not going to brush that off. There is a connection from the people's there at the time to people's outside Pakistan as well, there's genetic proof to it. And it's not a weak connection, it's a strong one.

ASI groups lived everywhere, these ones would have been absorbed into the ancestry of the modern day inhabitants of the area that currently makes up IVC, with very minimal influence elsewhere.

So it doesn't make Dravidians the true heirs to IVC.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

ASI groups lived everywhere, these ones would have been absorbed into the ancestry of the modern day inhabitants of the area that currently makes up IVC, with very minimal influence elsewhere.

So it doesn't make Dravidians the true heirs to IVC.

ASI didnt live everywhere at the time, this was a specific mix that happened in the border region between two completely different groups ME farmers and S. Asian hunter gathers. Subcontinent wasnt populated to that extent, let alone civilized. ASI movement happened from the west to east, then south - no different to ANI. Yes, there is relation between those groups outside Pak and the people populating Indus vally civ.

This mixture of the two groups started from there.