We Are All Harappans

[Shahzaz ud din]

Well 'Appa' means father in Kannada so Har-appa sounding Dravidian to me is only natural and 'Aruvi' in Tamil translates to River or Stream. Sounds too similar to 'Ravi' to be Aryan Pakistani I think.

Why are Pakistanis trying to associate themselves with Black Dravidians?

You should be proud of your tribal Aryan ancestry.

Har-appa is 69 km from my hometown.Here we call father abba.So appa and abba do not look much different
Ravi is not alone it has its sister river called Tavi. If ravi is from Aruvi then what about the origin of TAVI.

 

[Hamza913]

we are kingmakers not Kings.

Sounds like a pretty sloppy excuse to me but whatever.

 

[Great Brahmin]

Haha, well you read back your comments. What I said is infact true. There was no Brahmin in rigveda. Then how can you claim you are a brahmin who subjugated the Harappans. Mleccha because, when Dharmasastra was introduced, the regions surrounding earlier rigvedic tribes were considered mleccha but then they expanded as they adopted or mixed with Rig vedic tribes. I can't trace my ancestors beyond 100 years. So, I don't brag what kind of brahmin I am.

lol @ there are no Brahmins in Rigveda, rahne de yaar. tumse na ho payega.

Sounds like a pretty sloppy excuse to me but whatever.

you wont understand.

 

[padamchen]

thats a separe matter between you and Hindustanis/Indians, nothing to do with us Brahmins.



again, irreverent to us. you can discuss this matter with other 1.8 billion South Asians as we have no blood in this rivalry.



true but majority simply fled. as jaziya wasn't forced upon us, we were free to live as we wanted. majority of Turko-Persian kings also invited large numbers of Brahmins to their courts and granted us many titles.



Gujjars look like this in India, do you look like these people ?

i dont know much about kshatriya status as only Rajput Tribes enjoyed that status for nearly 2000 years. only Rajput clan that carries Gujar title is Bad-Gujjars but i dont know.



we also share our blood with Austroloids, Negroids, Neolothics and Europeans, in fact closest people to Europeans in South Asia are Brahmins with just 0.10 Distance. but that means nothings, three Germanic nations fought 2 most brutal wars in last 100 years.

we are IndoAryans or (Rig)VedicAryans while Afghans are IranicAryans so we dont have any connection with them as far as i know.



tor clan from Tormana ? do your tribe claim origin from White Huns ?



you are a racist man, not cool.

you hurt me feelings, please take that back. :'(

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@padamchen and people say Brahmins caused Hindutwa movement... can you see how much love we get from our "people" ?

To be honest, to me as an outsider, the way I see it, what started out as a Brahmanical butthurt supremacist thing has now in 2018 India been highjacked by a huge swarm of lower caste butthurts with little going for them in their lives and a providential hit at catharsis (lynching, rape, arson, loot, rioting, etc.)

Modi's India.

NOT Hindu.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Hamza913]

thats a separe matter between you and Hindustanis/Indians, nothing to do with us Brahmins.



again, irreverent to us. you can discuss this matter with other 1.8 billion South Asians as we have no blood in this rivalry.



true but majority simply fled. as jaziya wasn't forced upon us, we were free to live as we wanted. majority of Turko-Persian kings also invited large numbers of Brahmins to their courts and granted us many titles.



Gujjars look like this in India, do you look like these people ?

i dont know much about kshatriya status as only Rajput Tribes enjoyed that status for nearly 2000 years. only Rajput clan that carries Gujar title is Bad-Gujjars but i dont know.



we also share our blood with Austroloids, Negroids, Neolothics and Europeans, in fact closest people to Europeans in South Asia are Brahmins with just 0.10 Distance. but that means nothings, three Germanic nations fought 2 most brutal wars in last 100 years.

we are IndoAryans or (Rig)VedicAryans while Afghans are IranicAryans so we dont have any connection with them as far as i know.



tor clan from Tormana ? do your tribe claim origin from White Huns ?

It most certainly does have something to do with you guys, since you are Hindustani. You do have blood in this conflict, you are genetically pretty similar to many other South Asians, especially the ones from Pakistan.

Jizya was imposed upon you guys, and you got treated the same as most other Hindus (i.e so long as you weren't religious, you would be spared and often even incorporated into the ruling elite).

Gujjars don't all look like that, we are a very diverse group with white, brown and black people among us. For example, my father is dark like Shahid Abbasi, and my mother is white and looks European. I myself am somewhere in between (like most Gujjars), think Riz Ahmed.

Most Gujjars did carry Kshatriya status AFAIK, but a sizeable minority belonged to castes that were viewed as much lower.

Genetically speaking, more "pure" Brahmins would be genetically pretty similar to Afghans.

Yes, that's the one. Our clan does seem to have come with the Huns who invaded the region. I know that the Tor clan is also a clan among the Rajputs.

The Khatana's came from Khotan (which is in the Tarim Basin) during the Yuezhi (AKA Kushan) invasions.

Interestingly enough, Gujjars share the same occupation as the Yuezhis, i.e cattle herding, and the word used by Chinese historians for Gujjars was the same as the one used for the Yuezhis (Yuechee). Gujjars as a community also first appear after the attack of the Huns, and the Tomara clan's name is strikingly similar to that of the Alchon Hun king known as Toramana. I think this solidifies the theory that Gujjars are mostly a mix of Kushans + Huns that intermarried with local Indo-Aryans.

 

[Peshwa]

Again, nice try Shudra. My descendants are both IVC inhabitants and Aryan, which were later mixed with the IVC people’s. Therefore all Pakistanis have roots in both.

And most Pakistanis don’t think that. We know we aren’t related to Arabs, we have our own history of IVC.

We just HATE when these aboriginal Shudras from the South claim the culture of the Indus which is thousands of miles from where you Dasyus live.

IVC is one of the first great civilizations of the world.


Meanwhile you Dasyu Black monkeys have nothing to your name except street shitting, rat eating, and raping.

What is this “culture of the Indus”?
Can you be more specific about what similarities in culture exist between the modern day Pakistani and the people of the IVC? Any rituals, festivals, language that was only privy to the people of the IVC and now apparently to the region of Pakistan only that would help us understand what is being stolen or the validity of your “Harappan” identity?

 

[Hamza913]

Can you be more specific about what similarities in culture exist between the modern day Pakistani and the people of the IVC? ?

Nobody around today has a culture similar to that of IVC's.

The earliest civilisation in the region that anyone from South Asia is similar to culturally would be the Vedic civilisation, but even then only Indo-Aryans and Iranic's would have anything in common with them.

 

[SQ8]

We are harappans as much as domestic cats are related to sabertooth tigers.

 

[LASER1]

lol @ there are no Brahmins in Rigveda, rahne de yaar. tumse na ho payega.

haha, then show me the reference to Brahmin tribe in Rig Veda. Else buzz off.

 

[Great Brahmin]

It most certainly does have something to do with you guys, since you are Hindustani. You do have blood in this conflict,

Hindustani is a Culture from UP and Bihar, Hindi-Urdu are result of that culture and people.

we are South Asian people,Tribal Ethnicity or Tribal confederacy with well-defined customs,Language, traditions, scripts, way of life etc. only those who have similar kind of Tribal Structure can understand what i am saying like Rajputs, Pashtuns, Kurds etc. i have a Pashtun friend from Pakistan whom i met on Indo-European language group and he defined this to a European better than me.

you are genetically pretty similar to many other South Asians, especially the ones from Pakistan.

yep, just like Australoid,Negros, Neolithics and Europeans. unlike some people we accept our Heritage.

Jizya was imposed upon you guys, and you got treated the same as most other Hindus (i.e so long as you weren't religious, you would be spared and often even incorporated into the ruling elite).

eh, only two Turko-Mongol kings imposed Jaziya upon Brahmins one is Aurangzeb and another one's name i forgot. basically 60/80 years out of 1500.

other hand these conquorors like Qasim were very kind towards us, sure Brahmin Dahir dynesty was gone but still he personally announced that 3% of total revenue of Sindh and Multan will be Granted to us Brahmins.

Gujjars don't all look like that, we are a very diverse group with white, brown and black people among us. For example, my father is dark like Shahid Abbasi, and my mother is white and looks European. I myself am somewhere in between (like most Gujjars), think Riz Ahmed.

i dont know any of these man.

Most Gujjars did carry Kshatriya status AFAIK, but a sizeable minority belonged to castes that were viewed as much lower.

i guess.

Genetically speaking, more "pure" Brahmins would be genetically pretty similar to Afghans.

nope. both my Father and my uncle(Bde-abbu?) are pure Brahmins, over 6.3" tall, Pale Pink skin, Razor thin lips and Small Pointy nose. but both of them look 100% Indian. why ? because we are rigvedic Aryans not Iranic Aryans.

"pure" Brahmins would look similar to Blond Haired, Blue/Green eyed ectinet Nord Central Asians. as per some oldest hymns of our books.(unfortunately i forgot their names)

Yes, that's the one. Our clan does seem to have come with the Huns who invaded the region. I know that the Tor clan is also a clan among the Rajputs.

The Khatana's came from Khotan (which is in the Tarim Basin) during the Yuezhi (AKA Kushan) invasions.

Interestingly enough, Gujjars share the same occupation as the Yuezhis, i.e cattle herding, and the word used by Chinese historians for Gujjars was the same as the one used for the Yuezhis (Yuechee). Gujjars as a community also first appear after the attack of the Huns, and the Tomara clan's name is strikingly similar to that of the Alchon Hun king known as Toramana. I think this solidifies the theory that Gujjars are mostly a mix of Kushans + Huns that intermarried with local Indo-Aryans.

basically you are a Kushan right ?

To be honest, to me as an outsider, the way I see it, what started out as a Brahmanical butthurt supremacist thing has now in 2018 India been highjacked by a huge swarm of lower caste butthurts with little going for them in their lives and a providential hit at catharsis (lynching, rape, arson, loot, rioting, etc.)

Modi's India.

NOT Hindu.

Cheers, Doc

it was never ours to begin with, it was always majority "natives" who started this movement. if we Brahmins started something like this we could complete our Goal in just 5 to 10 years.

Modi is OBC, Amit shah is jain baniya, Baba Ramdev is an Ahir.

they are taking whole country on ride.

 

[maximuswarrior]

This is an entirely Indian narrative.

Completing misleading. These results are based on the remains found in modern day india. Mohenjendaro and Harrappa are primarily based in Pakistan. Until dna testing is done on the remains found in the Pakistan sector, which is the main one, NOTHING can be concluded. All the OP does is confirm that modern day indians are the descendants of ancient peoples that inhabited the region of modern day india. Nothing more.

Indians trying their best to be something they are not LOL

 

[Hamza913]

You can't claim descendants of IVC and aryans at the same time

Are you stupid or something? You do realise that literally everyone has mixed ancestry right? Especially people who come from places like Afghanistan and Pakistan that have been at the crossroads of multiple major empires/civilisations.

BTW most pakistais think they are descendant of Arab invader MD Qasim or Mughals etc

As proven so many times before (it's getting a little repetitive at this point), that's because Muslims in Pakistan and Hindustan are descended from migrants to the region during the Islamic conquests:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3163234

"The study showed that the Muslim Gujjars differ significantly from their counterpart, the Hindu Gujjars"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20067368

"we observed a certain degree of genetic contribution from Iran to both Muslim populations"

As for your comment about the Mughals:

Shahbaz Khan was a Punjabi and one of the Mughal Empire's greatest generals during Akbar's reign:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahbaz_Khan_Kamboh

Babur employed Punjabis and Pashtuns into his military:

http://firdosh101.blogspot.com/2009/05/history-of-gakhars.html

http://www.barmazid.com/2016/05/baburs-relations-with-pashtun-tribes.html

Shah Jahan - Came from Lahore

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Shah-Jahan

Akbar - Came from Sindh

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Akbar

Pakistanis also speak Urdu, eat Mughali cuisine and believe in Islam. All things which the Mughals did (the first two ones even come from the Mughals). Lahore was also a major city of the Mughal Empire, with more Mughal monuments than Delhi:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughlai_cuisine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_Empire

https://nation.com.pk/19-Jan-2014/mughal-architecture-in-lahore

For further reading on the topic of the Mughals:

https://archive.org/stream/ainiakbarivolum00mubgoog/ainiakbarivolum00mubgoog_djvu.txt

As for your comment about Muhammad Bin Qasim:

Muhammad Bin Qasim utilised Gujjar and Baluchi mercenaries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_bin_Qasim#The_campaign

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...ved=0ahUKEwjiztTwtdbcAhVFx4UKHWjvAYAQ6AEILDAB

nope. both my Father and my uncle(Bde-abbu?) are pure Brahmins, over 6.3" tall, Pale Pink skin, Razor thin lips and Small Pointy nose. but both of them look 100% Indian. why ? because we are rigvedic Aryans not Iranic Aryans.

"pure" Brahmins would look similar to Blond Haired, Blue/Green eyed ectinet Nord Central Asians. as per some oldest hymns of our books.(unfortunately i forgot their names)



basically you are a Kushan right ?

Most Brahmins would be genetically more similar to Pakistanis, with a small minority of more "pure" ones being more genetically similar to Afghans. Only a very tiny minority would have more in common with Europeans than anyone else, but I don't find it impossible to believe you could be one of them.

No, basically I'm a Pakistani, and like all other Pakistanis, my ancestry is all over the place. I personally choose to identify as Muslim first anyway, so this stuff doesn't really bother me too much.

 

[jamahir]

Sorry @Suriya, but this is a pointless thread you have created. Why should we look back instead of in the current, the immediate future and the near future??

 

[Hamza913]

eh, only two Turko-Mongol kings imposed Jaziya upon Brahmins one is Aurangzeb and another one's name i forgot. basically 60/80 years out of 1500.

other hand these conquorors like Qasim were very kind towards us, sure Brahmin Dahir dynesty was gone but still he personally announced that 3% of total revenue of Sindh and Multan will be Granted to us Brahmins.

No, pretty much all the ones that imposed Jizya imposed it upon you guys as well.

Yes, Qasim was nice to you guys as were many others since they wanted to integrate you into the Islamic empire's, and it pretty much worked (a lot of Muslims are descended from Brahmin converts).

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

This is an entirely Indian narrative.



Indians trying their best to be something they are not LOL

Precisely. The point being is that UNLESS there is irrefutable, genuine, reliable, honest and conclusive proof to support your claims THEN don't try to pass them off as facts. 99% of indians on PDF do exactly that.