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Washington's Loss, Moscow's Gain? Russia 'Cozying Up' With Pakistan

Instead of being so materialistic and "lakeer k fakeer" follow some wise approach.
Same mentality in government and military of using "baisakhi" provides by uncle Sam have ruined this country......
Try to trust yourself instead of bagging from so called masters.......

Otherwise this "Do more do more" crap for the sake of dollars will continue........


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Should I post some details of American weaponry operated by Our enemy ???
Our "enemy" neighbour is about to have most advance weapon stations from our "beloved boss"

I'm not the one complaining about the F16 deal and ignoring what else Pakistan has received.

Rather then lament over the US, do something about your government and political system.

What your neighbour has from the US is irrelevant in this context.

Still, the IN does not operate used USN ships, but for 1 exception (USS Trenton LPD, with a few Sea King). Acquisition of P8 is very recent. The only US weapon that Indias army has a lot of is M40 recoilless rifle. Some 150 M777 howitzers on order. Stinger order expected. And that's is for the army. As for air assets, there are only recent acquisitions of C17 and C130. A few Gulfstreams and 737. That is it. So, your assertion isn't even accurate or comparable.
 
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Still, the IN does not operate used USN ships, but for 1 exception (USS Trenton LPD, with a few Sea King). Acquisition of P8 is very recent. The only US weapon that Indias army has a lot of is M40 recoilless rifle. Some 150 M777 howitzers on order. Stinger order expected. And that's is for the army. As for air assets, there are only recent acquisitions of C17 and C130. A few Gulfstreams and 737. That is it

THATS IT....................???
C17,C130,M777,Sea Kings...................... all are directed to us..............
MMRCA deal included two American aircrafts............... FA18E Super Hornet and F16I Blk60 aircraft............ the ones PAF can only dream off

You forgot some thing which are coming soon.

AH64D Apache.............................
CH47D Chinook...........................

And F414 Enhanced Engine to support Tejas program...............................
Co operation in building Future aircraft carriers (nuclear powered) for IN..

What more you want...............???
 
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AQ has now 6 platforms.. Instead of 1.
Taliban still control Afghanistan.
Afghanistan still has no "democracy & freedom".
Hundreds of thousands of civilians have died and are dying.

Again..what does this have to do with what I said?
Read what i wrote again...US need not step foot into a country to "defeat" it...given the options it has available to beat a country with..
To make it simpler...How many could have died vs. How many actually died..


Lmao.. Taliban still control Afghanistan.
They aren't even considered terrorists by USA..(now).
US is advocating peace talks with so called "defeated" terrorists.

Did the Taliban rule Afg before the WOT? YES
Does the Taliban rule Afg now? NO

Your are mistaking presence of Taliban for rule of Taliban circa pre 9/11

And advocating peace talks is part of diplomacy...nothing wrong with it, nor does it indicate defeat in any way shape or form..
Not like the US is trying to negotiate with the Taliban govt. in Kabul. Its trying to bring stability through diplomacy..
At no point will ANY control in Afghanistan be given to the Taliban..they may be brought into the fold of politics, and thats what the "peace talks" are about..If they continue to aspire to take down Kabul, they will be beaten.

It Would be like Pakistan having talks with the TTP...does that indicate Pakistan has lost?



AQ is more dangerous than ever.

What was the last attack that was pinned to the AQ networks?

ISIS has emerged in Afghanistan.

ISIS is a new phenomenon and a threat only in recent years..
was ISIS even in the equation when WOT began?

ISIS also claims to have emerged in Pakistan...Has Pakistan lost Zarb-e-azb?

According to US & NATO reports.. 95% of ANA is useless ... Corrupt ... Indisciplined/criminals in uniform.
Has no chance..:lol:

They exist and they continue to get better...thats all that matters..
Until ANA is defeated and Kabul falls to the Taliban, my point stands..their capability not withstanding..



Nobody was going ape shyt.. Instead of acting like a c..t .. You should have read Paks statement on the issue.. Asking the Americans not to withdraw..
Which they didn't and hence Kabul has been regularly bombed but not fallen.

Yeah sure...Your countrymen on this very forum seemed to display a different sentiment.
We can always dig up those posts if need be...

Didn't you soil your pants during Kunduz? Do you want Kabul next? Ask the Afghans the number of troops they lost in the previous fighting season and are still losing.

If we are going to judge based on how security agencies have failed to prevent terrorist attacks or the number of soldiers that have been lost to War on terrorism, then we should consider Pakistan to be fallen already no?

I mean you're judging the ANA and the Kabul govt. that's just learning to stand on their feet (merely a decade),when your own 60+ year old country with a strong military is getting torn a new asshole into by the TTP? Hasn't Pakistan lost close to 10K soldiers in the war and continues to lose civilians and soldiers? How are you better off than Afg/ANA then?

Most recently, the attacks on Kabul have been repelled quite efficiently...goes to show that the ANA is moving in the right direction, albeit slowly.



Should ask Snowden.

He resonates my viewpoint...next..



coming from an Indian it's ironic..
The biggest beggar of the world .. Which sucks aid from all nations.. in the tune of hundreds of billions.. Yet acts like a snob... Provides its bases to US to spy on China.. Begs for mil and civilian aid during wars .. But still acts like ... pathetic people indeed.. No wonder Nixon had such positive views about your "country".

HAHA
...only Pakistan has the privilege of going from being the Bread bowl of south asia to the begging bowl of the world...I feel like your country has suffered enough beizzati from pretty much every country in the world...I wont rub it in any further. I feel your pain..and sympathize with your kind. I really do!

Enjoy the US handouts while they last...mind you the chinese are not as altruistic to their slaves as the US is...so beware!
 
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Again..what does this have to do with what I said?
Read what i wrote again...US need not step foot into a country to "defeat" it...given the options it has available to beat a country with..
To make it simpler...How many could have died vs. How many actually died..




Did the Taliban rule Afg before the WOT? YES
Does the Taliban rule Afg now? NO

Your are mistaking presence of Taliban for rule of Taliban circa pre 9/11

And advocating peace talks is part of diplomacy...nothing wrong with it, nor does it indicate defeat in any way shape or form..
Not like the US is trying to negotiate with the Taliban govt. in Kabul. Its trying to bring stability through diplomacy..
At no point will ANY control in Afghanistan be given to the Taliban..they may be brought into the fold of politics, and thats what the "peace talks" are about..If they continue to aspire to take down Kabul, they will be beaten.

It Would be like Pakistan having talks with the TTP...does that indicate Pakistan has lost?





What was the last attack that was pinned to the AQ networks?



ISIS is a new phenomenon and a threat only in recent years..
was ISIS even in the equation when WOT began?

ISIS also claims to have emerged in Pakistan...Has Pakistan lost Zarb-e-azb?



They exist and they continue to get better...thats all that matters..
Until ANA is defeated and Kabul falls to the Taliban, my point stands..their capability not withstanding..





Yeah sure...Your countrymen on this very forum seemed to display a different sentiment.
We can always dig up those posts if need be...



If we are going to judge based on how security agencies have failed to prevent terrorist attacks or the number of soldiers that have been lost to War on terrorism, then we should consider Pakistan to be fallen already no?

I mean you're judging the ANA and the Kabul govt. that's just learning to stand on their feet (merely a decade),when your own 60+ year old country with a strong military is getting torn a new asshole into by the TTP? Hasn't Pakistan lost close to 10K soldiers in the war and continues to lose civilians and soldiers? How are you better off than Afg/ANA then?

Most recently, the attacks on Kabul have been repelled quite efficiently...goes to show that the ANA is moving in the right direction, albeit slowly.





He resonates my viewpoint...next..





HAHA
...only Pakistan has the privilege of going from being the Bread bowl of south asia to the begging bowl of the world...I feel like your country has suffered enough beizzati from pretty much every country in the world...I wont rub it in any further. I feel your pain..and sympathize with your kind. I really do!

Enjoy the US handouts while they last...mind you the chinese are not as altruistic to their slaves as the US is...so beware!
Instead of doing such ''aain baain shaain'' on some defense forum.
Why don't you visit Afghnaistan or visit Tribal areas of Pakistan inorder to see the ''reality'' of your claims???
Get real buddy...................... retune BBC, Fox News in your TV and set them in last numbers..............
 
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THATS IT....................???
C17,C130,M777,Sea Kings...................... all are directed to us..............
MMRCA deal included two American aircrafts............... FA18E Super Hornet and F16I Blk60 aircraft............ the ones PAF can only dream off

You forgot some thing which are coming soon.

AH64D Apache.............................
CH47D Chinook...........................

And F414 Enhanced Engine to support Tejas program...............................
Co operation in building Future aircraft carriers (nuclear powered) for IN..

What more you want...............???
Clearly it is in the US' strategic interest to work with India, to counterbalance Russia and China. This has little if anything to do with Pakistan. If fact, Pakistan leaning towards China and possibly Russia, demands the US hedges its bets.

In the above listing, only the M777 is a weapon, and has been ordered.
Boeing received and order from India for 22 Apache and 15 Chinook Helicopters
These all to be delivered yet
The only other that would qualify is P8i, which has been delivered.

No FA18Es or F16Iblk60 have yet been ordered/sold.

The IAF currently operates 2 squadrons (No.104 Firebirds and No.125 Gladiators) of Mi-25/35s. Like the Apache, these would be directed against Pakistan, according to you. This does not stop Pakistan from dealing with Russia and acquiring Mi-35s, however, to be directed at India, no doubt. AH1s directed at?
http://www.dawn.com/news/1209539

And what of the past 66 years, of which we were talking?

The comparison with India is still meaningless in the context of the discussion, which focussed on US-Pak relations, notably the failed F-16 deal in relation to military aid by US to Pakistan. Billions received from the US more than offset the 660 million lost on that deal.

India has been buying Soviet/Russian mostly.

While not high in the US military aid list (Pakistan just misses being on the top 10 list, coming in at twelfth place with $12.9bn in military assistance from the US. India, however, is placed at 47 out of a list of 193 countries, receiving $897 million in military assistance), India has been the largest recipient of US economic aid over the past 66 years.

Still, only 1,5 times the amount of economic aid to Pakistan, while the latter country is significantly smaller, geographically and in terms of population and size of economy. So even with India being the largest recipient of economic aid, there hardly is reason for Pakistan to be complaining IMHO.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1194228
http://www.dawn.com/news/680201/pakistan-3rd-biggest-recipients-of-us-aid
 
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It's opinion bro. People are pro USA/Pakistan ties (myself), anti and neutral.

On another note I think some Pakistanis are crazily optimistic about Russian ties. Do remember this is the same country which leased nuclear submarines to India, enabling them to work on their sea based deterrent, which is now at an advanced stage.
@waz , Thank you my friend!

I disagree. America is indeed evil. We cannot have a relationship unless Pakistan is the slave and America the master. This is what has constantly been happening. Pakistani memory is sharp. We remember the Presler Amendment when we helped you defeat the Soviets, we remember Salala and we remember Davis.

We wish America falls and crumbles. It is our genuine wish and we do not trust you nor do you trust us. Then what is the point of this alliance? Even while we were allies you were double dealing-selling weaponry to arch-enemy India and even signing a nuke deal the exact type of which you denied us. WE have a lot of reservations over how America has behaved over the decades.

@Penguin , where the hell have you been!??! Buddy our misguided friend here is at it again if I remember correctly this is the same crap he was blabbering about on a previous thread.. Oh well..

@haviZsultan , as I have mentioned before "STOP LISTENING AND WATCHING AMERICA IS EVIL PROPAGANDA!!" It is screwing with your mind!!! You aren't listening!!! What is wrong with you!??!

Its not about what Russia will sell its about what the buyer will buy..we asked them for SU35..they did not agree..we go back to high tech F16..we asked them for the AL-31 Engines..they agreed..we bought..plain and simple economics..


Well dear Russian stick up to their allies better than Americans any day..does North Korea ring a bell? Does Syria rings a bell??

http://sputniknews.com/military/20151207/1031370037/russia-pakistan-navy-drills-arabian-sea.html

There is a big message behind that drill..when keywords like Pakistan and Arabian Sea are involved..Russian and Chinese naval assets docking at Gawadar changes entire power balance in the region...Not only the US fifth fleet docked in Bahrain finds its powers curbed..but the Arabs also have some backup charge in case the americans behave bad...
Sputnik!! Nice source Bozo!!! Oh sorry I mean @somebozo buddy! lol!

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US' strategic interest to work with India, to counterbalance Russia and China
Sooner or later it will kill us................... every weapon US is providing to India will finally end up in killing our own people................... MARK MY WORDS...................
 
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During my 54 years age i have never seen relation ship between USA and Pakistan against India, but USA and India are deep strategic partner against Pakistan.Now it is must for Pakistan to create deep relation ship with China and Russia.
 
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Sooner or later it will kill us................... every weapon US is providing to India will finally end up in killing our own people................... MARK MY WORDS...................
You do realize this applies to every Russian, French (and any other nation besides US that is also selling/delivering to Pakistan, to both India and Pakistan) weapon as well?

During my 54 years age i have never seen relation ship between USA and Pakistan against India, but USA and India are deep strategic partner against Pakistan.Now it is must for Pakistan to create deep relation ship with China and Russia.
What in your mind shows a strategic US-India partnership against Pakistan (as opposed to e.g. against China, which is a far more likely partnership)

@Penguin , where the hell have you been!??! Buddy our misguided friend here is at it again if I remember correctly this is the same crap he was blabbering about on a previous thread.. Oh well..
I suppose that given "We cannot have a relationship unless Pakistan is the slave and America the master.", he would like the relationship to be equal or even in reverse. Which is simply not realistic.And would not be the case either with e.g. Russia or China.
 
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You do realize this applies to e.g. every Russian, French (and any other nation besides US also selling to Pakistan) weapon as well?


What in your mind shows a strategic US-India partnership against Pakistan (as opposed to e.g. against China, which is a far more likely partnership)
The US bullet will not kill only Chines solders but also Pakistani solders too. for your knowledge.
 
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You do realize this applies to every Russian, French (and any other nation besides US that is also selling/delivering to Pakistan, to both India and Pakistan) weapon as well?
French and Russia situation is different.
We are discussing our old friend here.......
 
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@waz , Thank you my friend!



@Penguin , where the hell have you been!??! Buddy our misguided friend here is at it again if I remember correctly this is the same crap he was blabbering about on a previous thread.. Oh well..

@haviZsultan , as I have mentioned before "STOP LISTENING AND WATCHING AMERICA IS EVIL PROPAGANDA!!" It is screwing with your mind!!! You aren't listening!!! What is wrong with you!??!


Sputnik!! Nice source Bozo!!! Oh sorry I mean @somebozo buddy! lol!

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Its our choice what we believe. If America behaves like an evil country we will obviously call it evil. US created the Taliban in our regions just to defeat the Soviets. Don't expect us to respect said country.
 
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Its our choice what we believe. If America behaves like an evil country we will obviously call it evil. US created the Taliban in our regions just to defeat the Soviets. Don't expect us to respect said country.

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