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Washington’s Ridiculous Obsession With The Haqqanis

If one is to talk about obsession , then i could raise several cases where a lot of Pakistani members here think if America withdraws or Israel ceases to exist , the problems in the Muslim world would end .

everything is relative . may i suggest we take this article for what it is and not get embroiled in a needless debate.

My friend
Wake up and smell the coffee. No one in the Islamic world has any misconceptions about existance of israel as a country in the Middle East. This has not been the issue for a long trime. The isssue is the sovereign right of a people who were born in a land that they have lived in for generations to have 21% of the land( which Israel has agreed to) and form a country to be able to live under their own leadership and in peace. Is this so difficult to ask and to grant specially since it has already been agreed by all the parties concerned. You have a serious misconception about what pakistanis or the Arab world thinks which is unfounded and therefore i have corrected you.
Araz
 
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My friend
Wake up and smell the coffee. No one in the Islamic world has any misconceptions about existance of israel as a country in the Middle East. This has not been the issue for a long trime. The isssue is the sovereign right of a people who were born in a land that they have lived in for generations to have 21% of the land( which Israel has agreed to) and form a country to be able to live under their own leadership and in peace. Is this so difficult to ask and to grant specially since it has already been agreed by all the parties concerned. You have a serious misconception about what pakistanis or the Arab world thinks which is unfounded and therefore i have corrected you.
Araz

Why are you going OFF TOPIC?

This thread has NOTHING to do with Israel.
 
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Well, ALL those examples were successful in serving US national interests, weren't they? :)

This is the MORAL difference between China , and USA

China has national interest but it does not follows an immoral path that US follows

a) China prefers trade vs opening secret CIA networks
b) China gives and creates economies of its partners
c) China does not builds basis it builds refineries and industries similar to how russia works
d) China does not give only to some states it even gives to African states
e) China does not throws cluster bombs and then say it did not sign the treaty
f) China also does not supports terrorism like USA does in Libya , Afghanistan , Iraq
g) Also China does not attacks civilian airplanes like ones from Iran and call it accident
h) China does not kills people if they did not commit a crime

China is a whole different Moral level then USA


Also in sports Chinese Athletes have shown they are far superior athletes then Americans because they are hardworking and they have goals and ambitions - American athletes are known to take Steriods to push their national agenda

USA policies have caused it to suffer now , for past year they followed a immoral path of living life while denying others the chance to live with dignity. USA motto has been if slaves build you NIKE shoes in thailand its ok , as long as Americans wear the shoe and pay 100 $ for it

That cancer - (GREED) has flown and spread into its own veins , in form of corporate mortgage crisis , and overpriced consulting , and corrupt companies

That NATIONAL interest has resulted in vast majority of people not liking USA very much in private , but in public they seem to remain mute but just as how Roman Empire was eventually crushed by peasants - its own fate is similar to be destroyed by the weakest denomination

For USA, its own people will eventually be the ones that will put a halt to its greed
 
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Imran Khan said it best recently. There are literally over 50,000 Taliban fighters in Afghanistan - some put it close to 100,000 and somehow the US is trying to peddle the BS that they are losing because of these 3000 people sitting in Miranshah?
 
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Look around the world, and you will see the degree of US influence at work just about everywhere and very successfully too. "Respect" is a useless concept in international geopolitics, just like "loyalty" and "sincerity".

Agreed
But will the US care to escalate the War in Afghanistan into Pakistan, Provided the Haqqanis themselves confess that they have no assets inside Pakistan, they operate with much better impunity in vast patches of uncontrollable and wild terrain of Afghanistan.
The Damned Mission in Afghanistan ended with the drowning of a fake OBL and alot of it got buried with the sadistic demise of Elite force which executed that mission.
The Obama Admin who came to power with aim to sum up the Afghan War seems to be drifting away from it.Owing to the growing frustration of Nato Allies with the current status of Afghan War what would be the priorities of US ?
Weather they would sum up the Mission which has already damaged the repute of US and consumed alot of resources or Is the Obama Admin looking to further Escalate the War into Pakistani Territory to further American Imperialism in the Reagion.
 
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American ideology is , go to weaker man , and chop his house down and make wood bring it home , and make Christmas tree and burn the wood , and warm your own home and keep your own families comfortable.


Chinese ideology is , they will sell you the wood at cheap rate your family stays warm and chinese family also makes money and stays warm

BIG DIFFERENCE
 
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Journalist Steve Coll has revealed, he (Haqqani) was cultivated as a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) asset. Charlie Wilson, a right-wing politician who helped funnel tens of millions of dollars to the Afghan jihadists, described Jalaluddin Haqqani as “goodness personified.”
So he now has become 'murderer personified'? The perception of Yanks sure change according to the situation! :P
 
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There is no such thing as MORALITY (or lack thereof) in international geopolitics. Please grow up.

Agreed, So Pakistan's supports of Haqqani Network fall in all that categories you expalined in all your above posts!!! We don't need to be ashamed....Game End!!!

My Dear, This is not new b4 Haqqanis there are Taliban's (Mullah Omar) b4 that Hikmatyar.....so on and basically its Pakistan's best national Intrestsand to pursue an Independent regional policy of porxies or whatever as everyone plays in its capcity since the dawn of humanity to safeguard their supreme national intrests...America is not a "choocha" he knows exactly who we supports in all those years all along and why!!...So what is new???

Dear!! The US of America is blinked In this long Cat and Mouse Game he's playing with Pakistan since 2001 bcz he can't has the stomach anymore to pursue that game any longer. Pakistan security establishment simply outmanuvered Pantegon in all its planning for the future of Afghanistan while minusing Pakistan's intrests the recent developments simply shattered all these shcemes for the timebeing!!!

US Congress Need Answers to the failures....and the poor Generals simply have none!!!

After reading and hearing Mike Mullen's remarks about Pakistan's and ISI...I just laugh...his behaviours and gestures are like just an ordinary Pakistani....as whenever bad things happened to him...he just Curse USA first!!!

The mighty American General doing the same thing to Pakistan now a days...What a pitty!!
 
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Agreed, So Pakistan's supports of Haqqani Network fall in all that categories you expalined in all your above posts!!! We don't need to be ashamed....Game End!!!

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I agree with you that the concept of shame does not apply in pursuing national interest, which Pakistan is doing, as is its right.

However, the game will end when one side or the other achieves its goals. That has not happened as of yet, but when it does, a preponderance of evidence suggests that it will not be Pakistan.
 
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a preponderance of evidence suggests that it will not be Pakistan.

LOL!! America blinked....!!! Mummmmmyyyy!!!!!! while Pakistan still stands to its ground!!! LOL!!!
 
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Agreed, So Pakistan's supports of Haqqani Network fall in all that categories you expalined in all your above posts!!! We don't need to be ashamed....Game End!!!

My Dear, This is not new b4 Haqqanis there are Taliban's (Mullah Omar) b4 that Hikmatyar.....so on and basically its Pakistan's best national Intrestsand to pursue an Independent regional policy of porxies or whatever as everyone plays in its capcity since the dawn of humanity to safeguard their supreme national intrests...America is not a "choocha" he knows exactly who we supports in all those years all along and why!!...So what is new???

Dear!! The US of America is blinked In this long Cat and Mouse Game he's playing with Pakistan since 2001 bcz he can't has the stomach anymore to pursue that game any longer. Pakistan security establishment simply outmanuvered Pantegon in all its planning for the future of Afghanistan while minusing Pakistan's intrests the recent developments simply shattered all these shcemes for the timebeing!!!

US Congress Need Answers to the failures....and the poor Generals simply have none!!!

After reading and hearing Mike Mullen's remarks about Pakistan's and ISI...I just laugh...his behaviours and gestures are like just an ordinary Pakistani....as whenever bad things happened to him...he just Curse USA first!!!

The mighty American General doing the same thing to Pakistan now a days...What a pitty!!

Well said, They find Pakistan over they declared guilty to answer in front of Intelligence & national security committees.
 
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