Washington’s Ridiculous Obsession With The Haqqanis

[araz]

Why are you going OFF TOPIC?

This thread has NOTHING to do with Israel.

Look at the post that i responded to. I generally tend to avoid going off topic but the post needed a response!!
Araz

 

[VCheng]

Look at the post that i responded to. I generally tend to avoid going off topic but the post needed a response!!
Araz

I did, but to be honest, I expected the Vice-Chair of the respected Think Tank to be more sagacious. I did not mean any disrespect Sir.

 

[araz]

I agree with you that the concept of shame does not apply in pursuing national interest, which Pakistan is doing, as is its right.

However, the game will end when one side or the other achieves its goals. That has not happened as of yet, but when it does, a preponderance of evidence suggests that it will not be Pakistan.

While I remain extremely worried about the situation, primarily because the cards have been stacked against us by our own leaders short sighted policies, and hence we have either gone whiter than white or blacker than black in the course of 2-3 decades, there have been a few cogent and important points raised in the debate.
A) No one in pakistan has had the gumption to stand up and give a coherent reply to all the allegations that are being made against us. It is a testament to the mediocrity of our leadership that even if they did, no one would pay them any notice in any case. Cliches at this point are no good and a proper point to point answer of the accusation must be given to the satisfaction of your adversary.
B) USA is clearly struggling in its exit strategy and wants to assign blame on someone ie Pakistan. This is the US interest. However, no one has highlighted the pakistani interest, which is to ensure that the transition of power in Afghanistan is on terms which are favourable to Pakistan as the headache of carrying the burden after US withdrawal will be ours.
C) pakistan is hamstrung because its polity is simply refusing to make the tough decisions it needs to in the financial sector to improve its internal revenue generation and restore peace so that industry can flourish. We have issues of severe energy shortage which have plagued us for yrs and nothing has been done about it, and each year our situation becomes more and more dire. Due to the energy shortfall, even if we wanted to grow industrially, we could not. This plus the poor law and order situation has led to flight of capital which has further weakened our stance. the easy way out is to go out begging at whatever cost to keep the boat from sinking just long enough for them to make a tidy exit( preferably with their pockets full). So we have no shame in selling out on national interests in exchange for momentary sustenance.
D) US as a power is bleeding. But it still has a way to go. Confronting Pakistan with its supply lines going through it would tentamount to suicide and mayhem galore on both sides. Even if US aid is withdrawn, Pakistan would suffer but would not collapse. But USA with its supply lines disrupted would be in a precarious situation. Destroying pakistan could possibly lead to a response from China and then we are looking at a regional disaster. So even though US is putting presssure on Pakistan, the likelihood is that this is all political maneouvering and further aggravation may lead to Pakistan escaping out of US influence which may not be to US 's advantage.
E) The other thing to note is that even though pakistan would find US boots on its soil intolerable, drone strikes have been tolerated for some time, so who is to say that the same strategy may not continue? Pakistan would keep on protesting and the US would slip in the odd drone to its designated target. However anything bigger would lead to a confrontation which would be problematic for both. Although disgraceful, it has to be admitted thatthe status Quo on droneattacks has continued for yrs.
At the end of the day it is probably advisable for both parties to sit down and resolve their differences, accept each others sovereign interests and work out a framework acceptable to both which is politically and financially suitable for both to implement.
Araz

 

[VCheng]

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At the end of the day it is probably advisable for both parties to sit down and resolve their differences, accept each others sovereign interests and work out a framework acceptable to both which is politically and financially suitable for both to implement.
Araz

Thank you for that very well written post. I agree with your concluding sentence wholeheartedly.


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Edit: added news story:

There is hope yet!

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from: http://www.dawn.com/2011/09/23/communication-lines-remain-open-with-pakistan-says-us-military.html

WASHINGTON: The Pentagon said on Friday communication lines with Pakistan’s military remain open despite acrimony over US accusations that Islamabad is behind violent extremists targeting American troops.

Despite serious disagreement, the US military had no intention of cutting off dialogue with Pakistan, press secretary George Little told reporters.

“The lines of communication with our Pakistani counterparts remain open,”Little said. “This is a relationship that’s complicated but essential.”

In talks with Pakistan’s government, the United States has presented solid evidence of ISI’s links to the Haqqani militants, a US official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told AFP.

Mullen made his views clear to General Kayani last Saturday in a meeting in Spain, his spokesman, Captain John Kirby, told reporters.

Mullen has spoken before about links between the Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) and militants but his sharp comments on Thursday came after a surge in attacks on US troops and interests by the Haqqani network, Kirby said.

“It’s gotten worse. Their activities have become more brazen, more aggressive, more lethal and the information has become more available that these attacks have been supported or even encouraged by the ISI,” he said.

Mullen has not spoken to Kayani since Thursday’s congressional hearing, he added.

“We still want to pursue a working, productive partnership with the Pakistani military, and that in large measure depends on their willingness and their ability to disconnect themselves from extremist groups like the Haqqani network,” Kirby said.

 

[Donatello]

How to make someone a scape goat....learn from Uncle Sam.

 

[VCheng]

.....................learn from Uncle Sam.

You are correct in that there is still much to learn from Uncle Sam and his ways.

 

[Luftwaffe]

How to make someone a scape goat....learn from Uncle Sam.

Learn from uncle sam's puppy, who replies back to anything against Amrika.

 

[VCheng]

"Learn from any source you can, for you obviously have MUCH to learn!"

 

[Luftwaffe]

"Learn from any source you can, for you obviously have MUCH to learn!"

O boy See that I was precise about it.

 

[third eye]

Look at the strides technology has taken !!

I now am able to read a news article that is yet to be published !

Today is 24th Sept 11 and I am reading a news item dated 20 Dec 11 !!

Listen to US officials and you would think Afghanistan would turn into a paradise if the Haqqanis were gone. Not so.

EJAZ HAIDER | Tuesday | 20 December 2011 | EXPRESS TRIBUNE
www.PakNationalists.com

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—Ernst Stavro Sirajuddin Blofeld Haqqani is now running SPECTRE (SPecial Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion), renamed in Afghanistan as the Haqqani Network........


because they want there 6 military bases.and offered taliban recognition in exchange of base at khadhar.

but if Americans plans fail,we are responsible for it.?

 

[VCheng]

O boy See that I was precise about it.

Ah yes, your brilliance shines through very brightly indeed, lighting up the heavens with its divine glow. I am truly impressed!

 

[Luftwaffe]

Ah yes, your brilliance shines through very brightly indeed, lighting up the heavens with its divine glow. I am truly impressed!

Ah lo and behold the saga of senseless cheap shots continue..

 

[VCheng]

Ah lo and behold the saga of senseless cheap shots continue..

No, the many manifestations of your guttural standards of discussion are already evident: please go back and see what you have posted above first.

No matter how low you go, I have no need to call you a puppy or a dog, like you have said above.

 

[Luftwaffe]

No, the many manifestations of your guttural standards of discussion are already evident: please go back and see what you have posted above first.

No matter how low you go, I have no need to call you a puppy or a dog, like you have said above.

guttural standards apply to you look back at your history of you past posts, all the thread are filled with low standard posts/replies and fiddling with words to play cheap shots refer to your historic posts you did insult others stop it, to elevate your god amrika please be sane minded leave the obsession & stop replying back move on to keep the thread clean.

We do agree the short coming of Pakistan and US thus there is no need to make a fuss out of "Pakistan" being the baddest and evilest by neglecting the ills of Amrika.

 

[VCheng]

guttural standards apply to you look back at your history of you past posts, all the thread are filled with low standard posts/replies and fiddling with words to play cheap shots refer to your historic posts you did insult others stop it, to elevate your god amrika please be sane minded leave the obsession & stop replying back move on to keep the thread clean.

We do agree the short coming of Pakistan and US thus there is no need to make a fuss out of "Pakistan" being the baddest and evilest by neglecting the ills of Amrika.

My posts and their content speak for themselves, and I would stand by them confidently and absolutely. Please quote a post of mine that you find objectionable, keeping in view the context in which it was made.

I have not neglected any of the ills of America, but relatively speaking, it is Pakistan that is in danger of destroying itself, not the USA. Even you concede my posts are correct, in a a backhanded sort of way, but then again, that would be typical of your puerile level of argument.