Was Osama Bin Laden Allowed To Escape To Pakistan To Entrap Pakistan Later

[Hussain Farooqui]

Osama is dead. The Taliban hiding in Pakistan and still have not reclaim Afghanistan to rule it. Iraq is not ruled by Saddam. Saddam lost Kuwait in Gulf War. Serbia lost Kosovo during 78 days of bombing. Noriega lost Panama. And ISIS is being pushed back with U.S. led airstrikes. Retaking Ramadi. Mosul is next.

Anyway, what are the accomplishments of America in the cases of Iraq and Afghanistan?

 

[MastanKhan]

Now the point as to why US struck. May be Obama knew it before, he just waited to conduct the strike close to the elections.

One imp thing to mention is that in 1998 according to General Ziauddin ex-ISI chief that they were close to catching Osama but the govt changed. He also mentioned that US was told several times that Osama can be eliminated but the general says the US seemed not to 'keen'.

Hi,

Off course it was about the election---Obama could have been out the door.

As for the prior chance---in the thread starter post---plz check out the third link that I have provided.

 

[Hussain Farooqui]

After the removal of Mullah Omer, Saddam Hussain and Qadafi, the situations in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya went to worse from bad.

 

[MastanKhan]

Anyway, what are the accomplishments of America in the cases of Iraq and Afghanistan?

Hi,,

There are no accomplishments----. A very high suicide rate amongst the returning soldiers---a very high number of disabled soldiers----and the shame of failure in the battle field---that is the accomplishment of the U S militay in afghanistan.

 

[my2cents]

Do i need to remind you that a vast majority of Americans believed that WMD's are in Iraq and what exactly happened to that claim then?

It is possible they drummed it up to make a case for war to remove Saddam Hussain. But he did use nerve gas on Kurds and there was potential he would do the same if he was not stopped. Saudi Arabia supported the cause and also other western nations supported the war. So just don't blame Americans.

 

[LeGenD]

Tell me again how many countries have the US invaded in the last 15 years?, How many bases do they have all over the world today? Weren't they performing drone strikes over Pakistani Airspace almost on a daily basis?

No country would ever attempt to invade another country (Iraq) on a basis of a lie (Weapons of mass destruction) except America so don't give me that BS of them not attempting in conducting a mission as "bold" as Operation Neptune Spear.

This man according to the official story was responsible for 911 and the resulting war on terror that led to countless Muslims to suffer and die all over the world today so I have the fucking right to know if they actually caught him or not or was there any truth behind all of this, not heresy or testimony.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153441832167663

Right...

The family of OBL confirmed OBL's identity and death after having seen his body. The inter-relationships of the family were confirmed through DNA testing of their blood and matching it with OBL's blood found on the floor of his bedroom. Of course DNA testing alone cannot determine whether the person concerned was dead or alive.

The US President confirmed the killing of OBL on May 2 and Al-Qaeda also confirmed OBL's death on May 6.The lack of any development since May 2 that might suggest OBL might be alive also needs to be taken into account. Moreover, the amount of OBL's blood that splattered his room and discovery of brain matter which was also DNA tested more or less conclusively established the impossibility of his survival.

Source: Abbottabad Commission Report (Page 271)

Good enough?

 

[VCheng]

Good enough?

Nope. The reports is obviously wrong.

 

[RabzonKhan]

Right...

The family of OBL confirmed OBL's identity and death after having seen his body. The inter-relationships of the family were confirmed through DNA testing of their blood and matching it with OBL's blood found on the floor of his bedroom. Of course DNA testing alone cannot determine whether the person concerned was dead or alive.

The US President confirmed the killing of OBL on May 2 and Al-Qaeda also confirmed OBL's death on May 6.The lack of any development since May 2 that might suggest OBL might be alive also needs to be taken into account. Moreover, the amount of OBL's blood that splattered his room and discovery of brain matter which was also DNA tested more or less conclusively established the impossibility of his survival.

Source: Abbottabad Commission Report (Page 271)

Good enough?

Some people my friend live in denial, they always ask where are Osama bin Laden’s dead bodies pictures, now imagine if United State had shown his bloody graphic pictures, how many of these people would had believed that it was really Osama bin Laden and that he was killed in Abbottabad.

Now, the same people totally ignore the pictures of Osama’s son, his two bodyguards/couriers and the wife of one of the bodyguard/courier, who all were killed by the Americans and their dead bodies were left in the Osama’s compound.

 

[Tiger Genie]

A few days ago---Hilary Clinton's email information released stated that Gen Tommy Frank and Rumsfeld allowed the escape of Osama Bin Laden fro Kandhar and Tora Bora-----

The loitering armed drone over kandhar had the house on the camera screen where Osama Bin Laden--Mullah Omar and their cohorts were present and the all the concerned generals and staff in the U S military were watching the scenario. The drone loitered around for somewhere around an hour over the house---but no order was given to pull the trigger to launch the missiles to kill the terrorists and the murderer of 3000 american men and women.

The entourage ultimately came out of the house---got in their trucks and took off and the drone was called back as it was running out of fuel.

Fast forward it to a few days later. Osama Bin Laden is trapped at Tora Bora by a contingent of the u s rangers who are desperately begging for reinforcements and aerial strikes---though none materialize and Osam Bin Laden and his team climbing thru the Tora Bora passes disappears into the high mountains.

On both these occasions Gen. Tommy Franks and Mr. Rumsfeld were watching the scenario on live camera and tv broadcast along with many other generals and high ranking politicians.

There might have been other sightings of Osama later by the australians---but no one authorized the team to pull the trigger.

So---the concern occurs that---did the U S let Osama escape intentionally both the times---did this escape have ulterior motives---was this escape planned to push pakistan down in the future---was this escape planned in such a manner to manipulate the situation against pakistan---was this escape planned that if on a future date Pakistan became too demanding and out of control---the Osama card could be played by the U S to neutralize the threat being posed by pakistan in the future. The reason being that having good relations with pakistan was not on the cards of the U S----what had happened was situational and it would not be prolonged after a certain time period.

So---a prop need to be set in place to be pulled down when the time became right to cut off pakistan at its knees. The american president stated in his speeches that Osama Bin Laden's capture was not a top priority---Osama had no stake left in the power projection of al qaeda---Osama had become a nobody---we do not care about Osama---as much as the U S govt was trying to down play the position of Osama amongst the terrorist community---so many RED FLAGS were going up at the same time.

A prudent observer would have started thinking about the deceit and deception being masked behind those statements---a question should have been asked " what the hell is happening over here "----what is happening with the U S----why is the U S making these statements----what is behind this game face---what is the U S trying to do---who is the U S trying to frame---but none came up with those conerns.

That prop became Osama Bin Laden himself---and the U S became the conduit in finding a place for him thru proxy---and there is a very good possibility that Osama had no clue who was behind setting him up or who suggested the place and the location for the house that he lived in---or who pushed and nudged the team to move in Abbotabad location close to the military academy.

The agency playbook states that if you want to hide in the woods---you become a tree---on the side of a mountain---become a rock----and in a city---become a part of one of the houses----and the best place where about and location of the house---close to a police station---military installations or place close or right next to security agencies----living right under their noses and act and mould in the community you are living in.

Osama followed all those rules and guidelines right to the dot.

Knowing the pakistanis----no pakistani would help do that---. They would sell their first born for the 25 million dollars reward.

So---when a phone trace was caught by the ISI and the U S was informed by pak militray about the courier---the U S was in a quandry---what to do---. The action had to be taken---possibly the time was not ripe for the action because there was no end to the game in afghanistan.

So---after the operation ended---even though the media blasted pakistan and every conspiracy theorist blamed pakistan for setting up Osama---the govt of united states kept quiet about the issue---not saying anything----makes you wonder!


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what you are failing to take into account is that the USA did not have anything against Pakistan at the time torabora et al. The Pakistani 'double game' was realized much much later as the British PM Tony Blair said.

In fact at that time if memory serves right, Pakistan was treated as the 'honorary' unofficial member of NATO! So your whole premise for this conspiracy theory doesn't work.

Now that it is well known about the double game, it is possible that your mind is playing tricks and the time dimension of exposure is overlooked. That combined with the motivation to not having to accept that the Pakistan military colluded in conspiring with OBL in Abbottabad or the subsequent action against him by US unilaterally.

 

[MastanKhan]

what you are failing to take into account is that the USA did not have anything against Pakistan at the time torabora et al. The Pakistani 'double game' was realized much much later as the British PM Tony Blair said.

In fact at that time if memory serves right, Pakistan was treated as the 'honorary' unofficial member of NATO! So your whole premise for this conspiracy theory doesn't work.

Now that it is well known about the double game, it is possible that your mind is playing tricks and the time dimension of exposure is overlooked. That combined with the motivation to not having to accept that the Pakistan military colluded in conspiring with OBL in Abbottabad or the subsequent action against him by US unilaterally.

Senor,

Do I give a fck about a subject that has been discussed to death---.

 

[Tiger Genie]

Senor,

Do I give a fck about a subject that has been discussed to death---.

Amigo, you obviously give more than one, since you started this thread !!!! Cheech & Chong funny

 

[MastanKhan]

Amigo, you obviously give more than one, since you started this thread !!!! Cheech & Chong funny

Hi,

But I can't start from point zero with every other poster----.

 

[Indian_Devil]

the article says that osama was allowed to evade the tora bora raid that too in 2001, but no body cleared how did he entered in Pakistan... further this also indicates that he was able to move freely inside Pakistan, and whether Pak government was aware of these visits is also a question, cause at least ISI was aware....

 

[Oldman1]

Anyway, what are the accomplishments of America in the cases of Iraq and Afghanistan?

New govt. in Iraq and Afghanistan. Saddam is not in power, nor is the Taliban. Don't be surprise if they try another Spring Offensive from Pakistan again.

 

[Bratva]

New govt. in Iraq and Afghanistan. Saddam is not in power, nor is the Taliban. Don't be surprise if they try another Spring Offensive from Pakistan again.

Why would they hide and launch offensive from Pakistan when they have nice cozy places inside Afghanistan which ironically USA abandoned so Taliban can occupy those and launch attacks from there.

U.S. retreat from Afghan valley marks recognition of blunder

US withdrawal from Korengal Valley a ‘Taliban propaganda coup’ | The Long War Journal

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/world/asia/15outpost.html?_r=0