Was Jinnah secular or not?

[PakFactor]

What Jinnah said in 11 August speech is very clear --- some confused souls tried to create controversies --- Jinnah himself responded to such people:

"I cannot understand the logic of those who have been deliberately and mischievously propagating that the Constitution of Pakistan will not be based on Islamic Sharia. Islamic principles today are as much applicable to life as they were 1300 years ago."

Mohammad Ali Jinnah, Speech to Karachi Bar Association, January 25th, 1948.
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Bring the speech/quote where he said that Pakistan will be a secular state or Pakistan will not be an Islamic state.

Who ever tries to discredit Wali Jinnah R.A. are burning inside due to his success and foresight and from saving Muslims from a slaughter. What he said has shown to be true, as for the rest they have no sauce.

 

[padamchen]

But he not stop her. He was powerful person. He easily can stop if he wanted.
So I think he not have problem about daughter married to other religion.
But to saving political face, he let her go to India and cut relation in public.

You're not getting me.

She was not living with him for him to have any control on her.

Ruttie was living alone in the UK. Dying.

 

[Prince Kassad]

He wanted a muslim majority state not an Islamic state. Two different things. A democratic muslim majority state. He hated theocracy.

A state where Muslims could follow their faith without being subject to discrimination or being treated as 2nd class citizens. That's about it.

 

[JonAsad]

He partitioned the subcontinent on the basis of religion.. was he secular?
He married a hindu, secular
Yet had problems with his daughter when she did the same religious
He made Pakistan Islamic Republic, religious
Yet he wanted equal rights for minorties, secular..

He fought for the Ashiq e Rasool, religious
Yet he wanted state to not interfere in ones religion.. secular

How can you he sure of what he was?
He was not blessed with extra life to steer the infant country into a specified direction..that would have most probably defined him ..

 

[padamchen]

He partitioned the subcontinent on the basis of religion.. was he secular?
He married a hindu, secular
Yet had problems with his daughter when she did the same religious
He made Pakistan Islamic Republic, religious
Yet he wanted equal rights for minorties, secular..

He fought for the Ashiq e Rasool, religious
Yet he wanted state to not interfere in ones religion.. secular

How can you he sure of what he was?
He was not blessed with extra life to steer the infant country into a specified direction..that would have most probably defined him ..

He married a Hindu?

 

[Imran Khan]

what bothering you guys now? it seem wound baba Jinnah give to you not fully heal yet he was seculer / liberal/agnostic /extremist /mullah /or whatever what he did for us was greatest job . we have today a country we can call home . hundreds of thousands of free men and women daily proudly wear uniforms to go jobs millions of Pakistanis have gov jobs from president to a peon just because we are free country . otherwise we will ne have jobs of qulli in india . . we make our own polices . we have own place in world community .we have something unite us . no one lunching us killing us for cow and imposing us people like yogi and modi . no communal killings and mass graves . every pilot doctor soldier police man pilot expert engenior student teacher almost every gov employ and businessmen is here enjoying free life just because of Jinnah . in india they will be 3rd grade citizens ,we are free nation and we are thankful of our father of nation . he was right modi like creatures will rule inida . now you guys should ask were mullah azad was right or wrong . jinnah is proven right already .

 

[JonAsad]

He married a Hindu?

honest mistake.. parsi..

 

[padamchen]

what bothering you guys now? it seem wound baba Jinnah give to you not fully heal yet he was seculer / liberal/agnostic /extremist /mullah /or whatever what he did for us was greatest job . we have today a country we can call home . hundreds of thousands of free men and women daily proudly wear uniforms to go jobs millions of Pakistanis have gov jobs from president to a peon just because we are free country . otherwise we will ne have jobs of qulli in india . we are free nation and we are thankful of our father of nation . he was right modi like creatures will rule inida . now you guys should ask were mullah azad was right or wrong . jinnah is proven right already .

Agree with you.

If you had been part of undivided India, even with a combined population of 0.6 billion (one of every three Muslims worldwide) you would eventually have still succumbed to Hindu numbers.

It was your last chance. A chance the British afforded you.

Without the bomb, which you would never have been allowed to develop in an undivided India, you would have been on the same route as Indian Muslims today.

Three options.

Flee.

Stand and fight and die.

Become the kind of mainstreamed Muslims we decided we could live with.

 

[shah_123]

honest mistake.. parsi..

After she converted to Islam.
He disowned his daughter because she married a parsi.

 

[Imran Khan]

Agree with you.

If you had been part of undivided India, even with a combined population of 0.6 billion (one of every three Muslims worldwide) you would eventually have still succumbed to Hindu numbers.

It was your last chance. A chance the British afforded you.

Without the bomb, which you would never have been allowed to develop in an undivided India, you would have been on the same route as Indian Muslims today.

Three options.

Flee.

Stand and fight and die.

Become the kind of mainstreamed Muslims we decided we could live with.

yes we know sir freedom is best thing happen to pakistan . if we marge in india we will dissapair in 1.3bn people no one even notice us . we are not even one crore for each state 80 lakh more people for every indian state

just we are 22 crorre and having so much power even a nuke button . pakistan is great gift of jinnah and CO .

i personally dont care what jinnah was personal life . and he choose right path of religious card otherwise how he can ask a country ? and he was successful on this look we have a country today because of his religious card . and he was right history of indian communal voilance hate and tule of people like modi yogi indra proved it again and again he was right .we make our own polices . we have own place in world community .we have something unite us . no one lunching us killing us for cow and imposing us people like yogi and modi . no communal killings and mass graves . every pilot doctor soldier police man pilot expert engenior student teacher almost every gov employ and businessmen is here enjoying free life just because of Jinnah . in india they will be 3rd grade citizens

 

[padamchen]

After she converted to Islam.
He disowned his daughter because she married a parsi.

It did not really matter, as well as being well after the fact.

She had not lived with him for years before she finally got married.

Please at least read about the life of your founder.

yes we know sir freedom is best thing happen to pakistan . if we marge in india we will dissapair in 1.3bn people no one even notice us . we are not even one crore for each state 80 lakh more people for every indian state

just we are 22 crorre and having so much power even a nuke button . pakistan is great gift of jinnah and CO .

i personally dont care what jinnah was personal life . and he choose right path of religious card otherwise how he can ask a country ? and he was successful on this look we have a country today because of his religious card . and he was right history of indian communal voilance hate and tule of people like modi yogi indra proved it again and again he was right .we make our own polices . we have own place in world community .we have something unite us . no one lunching us killing us for cow and imposing us people like yogi and modi . no communal killings and mass graves . every pilot doctor soldier police man pilot expert engenior student teacher almost every gov employ and businessmen is here enjoying free life just because of Jinnah . in india they will be 3rd grade citizens

We gave our Muslims decades to become like us.

It's tragic.

But I agree with you Imran.

 

[JonAsad]

Stand and fight and die.

Stand and fight ftw... historically hindus are weak creatures easily tammed by Muslims...

 

[padamchen]

Stand and fight ftw... historically hindus are weak creatures easily tammed by Muslims...

I've seen them both up close.

They are of the same blood stock.

Fight the same.

No difference.

Both love numbers. Telling you this as a Parsi alpha who's always found himself alone and outnumbered in a fight.

 

[JonAsad]

She had not lived with him for years before she finally got married.

Your parsi sources are understandably extremely biased.. She was busy in Schooling and Daddy Jinnah was busy becoming Attaturk.. If you get the reference...

 

[padamchen]

Your parsi sources are understandably extremely biased.. She was busy in Schooling and Daddy Jinnah was busy becoming Attaturk.. If you get the reference...

Give it any spin you want.

She grew up a Parsi.

Died a Parsi.

Indian Parsi.

Please realise Jinnah married way way up his social class.

This was one of Bombay's richest and most prominent Parsi nobility.

In rhe end Jinnah had only his sister.

While the Petits rallied around their girls.