Was J-20 deal done in 2011. Secret intelligence report by Stratfor

[BHarwana]

Back to topic was there a J-20 deal as these thing are not disclosed.

 

[NakedLunch]

Back to topic was there a J-20 deal as these thing are not disclosed.

China will give Pakistan whatever we want. At the State to State level we talk like family.

 

[BHarwana]

the only reason behind this that justified is that Pakistan never went for a TFX offer by Turkey that means Pakistan was already in a deal.

 

[NakedLunch]

the only reason behind this that justified is that Pakistan never went for a TFX offer by Turkey that means Pakistan was already in a deal.

We will always wish our Turkish brothers well. They are a Nation we can trust and have always trusted. They are not friends, they are family. However, we need a 5th Gen fighter as soon as India starts taking delivery of their Rafaels. That is where either the J-31 or J-20 come in. Pakistan should go for one of those two. I guarantee you, China will not refuse us whatever we want.

 

[BHarwana]

We will always wish our Turkish brothers well. They are a Nation we can trust and have always trusted. They are not friends, they are family. However, we need a 5th Gen fighter as soon as India starts taking delivery of their Rafaels. That is where either the J-31 or J-20 come in. Pakistan should go for one of those two. I guarantee you, China will not refuse us whatever we want.

The thing is that a stealth fighter will always remain clouded. That is why they are called stealth. It is not in the power of a blogger to disclose such things but who knows Pakistan and China could already be flying these birds. Chinese and Pakistani military industrial complex are state funded unlike USA and USSR. India depends on purchase but Pakistan and China are more into join development.

 

[NakedLunch]

The thing is that a stealth fighter will always remain clouded. That is why they are called stealth. It is not in the power of a blogger to disclose such things but who knows Pakistan and China could already be flying these birds. Chinese and Pakistani military industrial complex are state funded unlike USA and USSR. India depends on purchase but Pakistan and China are more into join development.

Let me tell you this, brother. China values and trusts us. Remember, we are their 'Israel'. We can thank our Bengali Prime Minister M.A Bogra for this. He laid the foundation for Pakistan-China relationship. The Bangladeshis really need to see this side of our history too. They really were duped by India-backed Mukti Bahini.

 

[ali_raza]

might be a rumor to scare off americans after abottabad

 

[BHarwana]

Let me tell you this, brother. China values and trusts us. Remember, we are their 'Israel'. We can thank our Bengali Prime Minister M.A Bogra for this. He laid the foundation for Pakistan-China relationship. The Bangladeshis really need to see this side of our history too. They really were duped by India-backed Mukti Bahini.

Bengal will be soon out of Indian influence the political picture is changing fast there.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I was going through Wikileaks data and came across a USA stratfor company intelligence report about Pakistan's Jf-17 and possible J-20 deal. Thought I should make a thread and get the views of the community.



On Monday February 27th, 2012, WikiLeaks began publishing The Global Intelligence Files, over five million e-mails from the Texas headquartered "global intelligence" company Stratfor

Fwd: [EastAsia] CHINA/PAKISTAN/MIL - More on JF-17 Thunder and Other
Military Assistance


An update:

China is in talks with Pak about the J-20 as well.

There is also mention of China launching a satellite for Pak in August
2011. I believe this was already in the works, but just being reaffirmed
here.

Even if these are already in the works, there is clearly an attempt to
stress these military deals in the media.

-------- Original Message --------

Subject: [EastAsia] CHINA/PAKISTAN/MIL - More on JF-17 Thunder and Other
Military Assistance
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 08:14:55 -0500
From: Melissa Taylor <melissa.taylor@stratfor.com>
Reply-To: East Asia AOR <eastasia@stratfor.com>
To: East Asia AOR <eastasia@stratfor.com>, OS@stratfor.com

Contradictory dates of delivery, but the June 2012 date is clearly the
more realistic.
China to provide Pakistan 50 Thunder jets, talks for stealth on
May 19, 2011
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/c...n-50-thunder-jets-talks-for-stealth-on-106991

Beijing: China has agreed to immediately provide Pakistan 50 new JF-17
Thunder multi-role jets under a co-production agreement even as talks are
on for more fighter aircraft including those with stealth technology.

China will immediately provide 50 JF-17 Thunder aircraft to Pakistan, an
unnamed official was quoted as saying by the Dawn daily.

"We will get these planes in weeks," he said, adding that a formal
agreement to that effect was likely to be signed today.
The official said Pakistan and China were already jointly producing the
JF-17 aircraft, but these 50 planes would be equipped with more
sophisticated avionics.

He said the war planes to be fully funded by China would help bolster
Pakistan's defence and add to tactical capability of its air force.
The News daily reported that it is likely that these planes will be
supplied by June next year.

It added that the two countries are also discussing the supply of Chinese
J-20 stealth jets and Xiaolong/FC-1 multi-purpose light fighter aircraft
to Pakistan.

They are discussing the mode of payment and the number of planes to be
provided to Pakistan, the report said. With the supply of the new
fighters, Pakistan Air Force will now have a total of 260 Chinese jets,
making them the mainstay of the force.

Meanwhile, in a sign of greater cooperation between the two countries,
China will also launch a satellite for Pakistan on August 14.

The satellite will supply "multifarious data" to Pakistan, the report
said.

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, who was on a visit to China, said both
sides had agreed to increase defence cooperation and China had assured
Pakistan of help in enhancing the capacity of its armed forces.

https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/...a-pakistan-mil-more-on-jf-17-thunder-and.html

Just in there wishful thinking and rumors, how can it be possible that China will deal its top secret technology to another country and also remember bro J-20 in its late development stages and start induction within PLAAF, one concern more if lets assume that China will sell it to Pakistan in future there will be a risk J-20's technology might fell in wrong hands (e.g US and INDIA) so this news is literally fake and wishful thinking

 

[BHarwana]

Just in there wishful thinking and rumors, how can it be possible that China will deal its top secret technology to another country and also remember bro J-20 in its late development stages and start induction within PLAAF, one concern more if lets assume that China will sell it to Pakistan in future there will be a risk J-20's technology might fell in wrong hands (e.g US and INDIA) so this news is literally fake and wishful thinking

Do you work in Chengdu? If not you can never know which stage J-20 is? China has no plans to sell J-20 and it will be only given to close allies how ever J-31 will be developed for international market. Bro no one know at what stage these tech are if this all was an open book then no one will have intelligence agencies.

 

[Ultima Thule]

it will be only given to close allies

No it is banned for export, not even for its close allies and first they will induct J-20 in numbers, then if they think for export

 

[BHarwana]

No it is banned for export, not even for its close allies and first they will induct J-20 in numbers, then if they think for export

There are around 900 email on the JF-17 and J-20 in the Wikileaks data If I find any thing interesting will post but J-20 is well developed platform and I think the development is more ahead than we all think.

You are Indian. It is obvious. Indian. You.

Don't derail the thread. Never feed someone.

 

[BHarwana]

Some analysts have said photographs of the J-20 suggest China may be making faster-than-expected progress in developing a rival to Lockheed Martin's radar-evading F-22 Raptor.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...h-fighter-rival-US-jets-show-communist-muscle

 

[Ultima Thule]

There are around 900 email on the JF-17 and J-20 in the Wikileaks data If I find any thing interesting will post but J-20 is well developed platform and I think the development is more ahead than we all think.

First customer is PLAAF if they want to buy 500 J-20 then it will take 3 to 5 year to complete orders from PLAAF then they will think to lift the ban if they think SO

 

[BHarwana]

First customer is PLAAF if they want to buy 500 J-20 then it will take 3 to 5 year to complete orders from PLAAF then they will think to lift the ban if they think SO

China always has room for Pakistan.