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War on Islamic Revival

Rehmat, i am not being funny but what Islamic revivial? You refer to Islam as a political system? Islam is a religion and that is something deeply personal, countries who have prospered have found to keep religion out of politics and vice versa. I am sure we can mare a progressive nation out of Pakistan by keeping these cave dwelling ******** who treat women as mere chattels out of the seats of power and responsibility.

I don't feel groups such as these represent Islam, at least not the Islam me and my loved ones follow.
 
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welcome to the jungle S-2 define the violent groups:) ya just trapped urself u guys haven't define terrorism how are ya going to define violent groups oh i know west is going to define and tell who is violent groups. Nice try but than again a failed try.:enjoy:
 
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Rehmat, i am not being funny but what Islamic revivial? You refer to Islam as a political system? Islam is a religion and that is something deeply personal....
In fact you seem to me a joker and bigot.

Islam is not a religion like Judaism, Christianity and Hinduism - which divide man's life into church and white House. Islam is the FAITH (Way of Life) - which covers man's entire life - from craddle to grave - which in case you never learned - includes POLITICS too.
 
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In fact you seem to me a joker and bigot.

Islam is not a religion like Judaism, Christianity and Hinduism - which divide man's life into church and white House. Islam is the FAITH (Way of Life) - which covers man's entire life - from craddle to grave - which in case you never learned - includes POLITICS too.

Rehmat - If you cannot converse without resorting to personal attacks, you will not last long here.

Your attitude is precisely the problem with some Muslims today - if someone disagrees with them, they resort to insults and declaring them 'non-Muslims', and you have done both here.

This is intellectually dishonest and merely a way to avoid the actual argument and attempt to make your own case. Please follow the rules of the forum and keep the discourse civil and non-personal.
 
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Rehmat - If you cannot converse without resorting to personal attacks, you will not last long here...
I have heard that Israeli Hasbara rant many time - when the some thug ran out of facts to counter my post.

Your attitude is precisely the problem with some Muslims today - if someone disagrees with them, they resort to insults and declaring them 'non-Muslims', and you have done both here.
You mean it were some Muslims who called Jimmy Carter "racist" and "anti-Semite" for writing some truth about Zionist entity - which he benefited the most during his presidency??
 
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Terrible transformations ahead?
Rafia Zakaria



When the men in long black robes descended on Iran several decades ago, the world was stunned. Few knew what to expect, the dénouement of the revolution was swift: within a short span of time, the cosmopolitan Persia envisioned by the Shah had been transformed into the grim Islamic Republic. Women slid under black chadors, television showed only religious programmes and morality became the province of law enforcement over individual conscience.

Ensconced as we are in particular historical eras, it is trying and perhaps impossible to go beyond our faith in normalcy and evaluate the incremental changes taking place around us. As many historical records and memoirs now show, the days leading up to the Iranian Revolution were marked by a similar obstinacy as people continued to believe that after the demonstrations had ceased and the Shah had left, life would return to a familiar normal.

There would be dance parties, women would go to work, drinks would be poured and poetry and art exhibited. Indeed, at our smug end of history, it is possible to see how misplaced this belief in the constancy of the present was at the time. There was of course no return after 1979, the course of politics had changed and Iran was altered forever. The mullahs assumed to be archaic, medieval and generally incapable of governance not only took over the state but transformed it into something nearly unrecognisable from its liberal constitutional predecessor.

There are many differences between Iran in the 1970s and the condition of Pakistan in this first decade of the new millennium. The Islamist movement that roars at our footsteps has many marked differences from the one that wracked Iran decades ago. Indeed, the Taliban, with their shaggy beards and their cave-based militarism, are not the erudite mullahs of Qom, and Mullah Omar bears not even a scant resemblance to the Ayatollah.

But marking as we are several years of an insurgency that only grows in fervour and a political and legal system that is all but collapsed, it is perhaps pertinent to question whether we are indeed as duped in believing in the unchanging constancy of the present as the Iranians were at the precipice of the 1979 Revolution.

One argument that substantiates the above is our preoccupation with genealogy, which insists that the Taliban, being a creation of the Cold War, have nothing substantive to offer in terms of an attractive moral ideology. While sociological, economic and geopolitical explanations of the rise of the Taliban are important, the ascription of these factors as the sole basis for the ascendancy of the group may well be misguided.

It is indeed true that the rise of the Taliban is symptomatic of a cornucopia of failures: of the state to provide security; of legal institutions; and of civilian political institutions to exercise control over the intelligence apparatus of the country.


However, there is also something substantive in the moral ideology offered by the group. While admittedly repugnant to the country’s liberal elite, the stark clarity of an unassailable moral code that very literally allows no dissent, the elimination of all criminality by threat of the most draconian punishment, the elimination of temptation of any form and most notably of all the deliberately designed and very visible anti-modernism, all present a platform designed quite specifically to respond to key confusions within the Pakistani psyche.

In doing so, they represent a substantive post-modern reconstruction of a pre-colonial era, with an invented brand of sharia that is pristine in its simplicity and accessible to even the most barely educated mullah, and an anti-intellectual vitriol that is violently anti-Western. They have made an effective pitch at presenting what an authentic Pakistan rid of corruption, elitism and Western pandering would look like and in their success lies the tragedy confronting the Pakistani nation.

And then there are the seemingly endless political opportunities provided by the weakening of the Pakistani state apparatus in Islamabad. Plagued as it is by illegitimacy, and harassed and cornered by political actors loath to giving up any opportunity to subvert state power, the Pakistani state has lost ground not simply to the Taliban
but also to the political forces operating within the democratic mainstream.

The most recent cataclysm, exposing once again the illegitimacies of the NRO that begot the current government and the inability of sustaining its fledgling power against political enemies wanting their own turn at extorting resources from the state, presents precisely the kind of breakdown of constitutionalism that makes the macabre “otherness” of the Taliban look like a departure from the corruption and general moral depravity of Islamabad.

No one is untouched and no one is clean. All political contenders from the president to the deposed judges to the opposition leaders all have their own histories of inside deals, corruption and surreptitious self-serving agreements with military generals or Saudi princes.

In the midst of such moral degeneracy, ordinary people on the streets of Quetta and Lahore are left to wonder whether a packed court that curries favour with particular governments is really better than a stadium where barely educated mullahs hack off hands and hand out whippings to alleged criminals.

So while bands may play in Karachi and Lahore and weddings may continue and resilient school children may continue to study for exams, the devolution of the state and the march of anarchy in Pakistan continue. There was a time when the army was the only usurping force waiting in the murky shadows to capture the reigns of power.

With the arrival of the Taliban, the increasing extension of their territorial power from the tribal areas to Swat and even the villages around Peshawar suggests the beginning of a new game that promises to be far bloodier and a far greater challenge than the civil-military jousts of old.

Perhaps a decade hence, Pakistanis too may look back at these days and wonder how and when we could have been able to predict the terrible and tremendous transformation ahead
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Rafia Zakaria is an attorney living in the United States where she teaches courses on Constitutional Law and Political Philosophy. She can be contacted at rafia.zakaria@gmail.com
 
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Total unadulterated lies from start to finish. What a monumental waste of time to read your asinine stuff. As for me, never again!
I bet Abe Foxman, national director of Jewish Lobby (ADL) would be very unhappy to learn your decision.

However, my experience on internet have shown that Israeli Hasbara employees are never true to their promises.
 
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In fact you seem to me a joker and bigot.

Islam is not a religion like Judaism, Christianity and Hinduism - which divide man's life into church and white House. Islam is the FAITH (Way of Life) - which covers man's entire life - from craddle to grave - which in case you never learned - includes POLITICS too.

Bigot (Interesting choice of words)... Just to enlightne you, A bigot is one who is "a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own or intolerant of people of different ethnicity, race, or class"

Nothing from my previous post that vexed you so, would indicate my inclanation towards bigotry, rather i was merely expressing my opnion in just the same manner as you did yours.

It is interesting to note that you feel your understanding of Islam is somehow superior to mine, i am not going to get into a mudslinging match with you on this one, needless to say i know where i stand on this viewpoint.

Good Day.
 
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Bigot (Interesting choice of words)... Just to enlightne you, A bigot is one who is "a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own or intolerant of people of different ethnicity, race, or class"

Nothing from my previous post that vexed you so, would indicate my inclanation towards bigotry, rather i was merely expressing my opnion in just the same manner as you did yours.

It is interesting to note that you feel your understanding of Islam is somehow superior to mine, i am not going to get into a mudslinging match with you on this one, needless to say i know where i stand on this viewpoint.

Good Day.
I could not said about you better than what you wrote.

Shalom :D
 
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I could not said about you better than what you wrote.

Shalom :D

Keep deluding yourself, this is where reason and logic overcomes emotion. It today's world the might of the sword or your case"ridicule" is lost on someone who understands the wider scheme of things.

It is very interesting to see how quickly one is judged to me a non muslim by so called devotees like yourself. Let Allah (SWT) be the judge of how is lost and who is on the right path...

On reason, The Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) said:

“God hath not created anything better than Reason, or anything more perfect, or more beautiful than Reason; the benefits which God giveth are on its account; and understanding is by it, and God's wrath is caused by disregard of it.”

On Religion the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) said:- “I am no more than man; when I order you anything respecting religion, receive it; and when I order you anything about the affairs of the world, then I am nothing more than man.”

An on Jihad the Prophet said:- “The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyr.”

Please dont judge me based on your pre-concieved notions of what you feel is a good or bad muslim, my belief is between me and god (a contract NO MAN can judge)!
 
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Keep deluding yourself, this is where reason and logic overcomes emotion. It today's world the might of the sword or your case"ridicule" is lost on someone who understands the wider scheme of things.

It is very interesting to see how quickly one is judged to me a non muslim by so called devotees like yourself. Let Allah (SWT) be the judge of how is lost and who is on the right path...

On reason, The Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) said:

“God hath not created anything better than Reason, or anything more perfect, or more beautiful than Reason; the benefits which God giveth are on its account; and understanding is by it, and God's wrath is caused by disregard of it.”

On Religion the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) said:- “I am no more than man; when I order you anything respecting religion, receive it; and when I order you anything about the affairs of the world, then I am nothing more than man.”

An on Jihad the Prophet said:- “The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyr.”

Please dont judge me based on your pre-concieved notions of what you feel is a good or bad muslim, my belief is between me and god (a contract NO MAN can judge)!
Another good rant coming from someone who so ashamed of his own religion.

Shalom
 
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It's persons who hold attitudes such you do and who express ideas such as you do that a majorities of Abrahim faith, are ashamed of.

And yes, you are ashamed of us. It's an honor.:wave::wave:
 
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Another good rant coming from someone who so ashamed of his own religion.

Shalom
It is very upsetting to see that you consider the quotes of our beloved Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) mere rants...

Needless to say the Prophet also said - “Every Muslim who calls a Muslim infidel will have the epithet returned to him.”
 
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It is very upsetting to see that you consider the quotes of our beloved Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) mere rants...
I know Jewish Talmud only curses prophet Jesus (as) - but I don't remember anywhere in that book - showing love towards the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Needless to say the Prophet also said - “Every Muslim who calls a Muslim infidel will have the epithet returned to him.”
He also advised the Believers to watch for the Judeo-Christian hidding behind Muslim IDs.

Shalom.
 
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I know Jewish Talmud only curses prophet Jesus (as) - but I don't remember anywhere in that book - showing love towards the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).


He also advised the Believers to watch for the Judeo-Christian hidding behind Muslim IDs.

Shalom.

Are you on some sort of medication? Why do you jump to the conclusion that i am a "Jew"? Ja key Doctor se apna checkup karao!

Ap jaisey Musalman key waja say hamara pyara mazab, ik Mazak ban chooka hai! Agar ap ko paatha hoota key in Insan ke haisiat kya ha, to ap is taran ke baat na kartay!

Kya sirif ap Musalman kalayana ka haq paathey hain? Kis ne diya hai ap ko ye Haq? Allah ka shokar hai ke muje kise ko neechey deekhaney ke zaroorat nahi magar ap ke bais pagalpan key had hai!

Agar mey insaniat or izat-o-eitram ke baath karta hooon, to mujhe ap yahoodi kalato ho! Khuda ka khof karo, kal ko os ko jawab daina hai. Insaniat os he ke zaat hai, agar insan ko ra-e-islam pe lana hai, to izzat or pyar se peesh ana ap ge gharoor go ko choot ney pooncha sakta.

Ap ka ya haq, so ap jab chaey musilman ko kafir karar de datey ho... Soocho... Is he harkat ke waja say ajj musilman mazak ban chookey hain!

Maney to tumeray pagal-pan ko maaf kar dia, dua karoon ga, key Allah be tumeh maaf kar dain!

Khudahafiz!
 
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