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Wanted dead, not alive: France's approach to French jihadists

They have proven themselves guilty by joining ISIS. I mean, they didn't exactly join ISIS to sell girl scout cookies, did they? The French citizens who have ran away to join ISIS are all either active combatants or part of other networks that have or are planning to carry out terrorist attacks.

Which court of law are you going to bring in a guy who wears a suicide vest all the time to avoid capture?
I don't know about you but from what I've checked functioning courts don't usually speculate. They invest time and resources in screening out whats right and wrong. I will talk against this direction that Europe is taking as I have every right of being critical to it.
 
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I don't know about you but from what I've checked functioning courts don't usually speculate. They invest time and resources in screening out whats right and wrong. I will talk against this direction that Europe is taking as I have every right of being critical to it.

Of course I respect your right to your opinion. But I just wanted to clarify how difficult it is to bring people in to the courts during a war.

Targets are not chosen randomly. There has to be actionable intelligence behind the choosing of a target, as well as several conditions and steps that must be met. A target is chosen based on findings of an intelligence team who gathers data on an given individual. This data is gathered by various different means, it isn't just that people wake up one day and say we are going after A, B or C.

This intelligence is then passed on to an analyst/s in the form of a report who assess the threat radiating from the individual, the proximity of the individual to non combatants, and several different factors too cumbersome to list here. It is only after all these criteria are met, is the authorization given by someone higher up.

I know your point is about the legalisation of all this, but I just wanted to put these up because some of the evidence that is compiled in to these reports can certainly be put to the courts but that would defeat the purpose of having HUMINT, COMMS etc data gathering and put the sources at risk etc.

It is war at the end of the day, can you tell me which country sets up courts during a war to target enemy combatants? The methods used for targeting these guys is far more lenient than what these terrorists ever give their victims.
 
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The methods used for targeting these guys is far more lenient than what these terrorists ever give their victims.

That's why the terrorist entities get wiped off while countries move on. Shouldn't there be some sort of leniency to those who are defeated. What about those that genuinely regret taking such a wrong course?
 
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Best approach ever, These jihadists must be butchered like dogs.
 
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That's why the terrorist entities get wiped off while countries move on. Shouldn't there be some sort of leniency to those who are defeated. What about those that genuinely regret taking such a wrong course?

I agree with you that more should be done about those who are genuinely feeling remorse and want to surrender.

You have to understand though, rehabilitation of former terrorists is a sensitive issue and a political minefield as being seen too soft on those who targeted civilians is extremely unfeasible openly. And once they have committed a crime, there is no way back unless they surrender and go through the court process. The guys who are still over there, or have entered European countries as sleeper cells, actively plotting would hardly be counted as defeated though.
 
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isn't that amazing that most french jihadists are white european converts and french naggers and north africans are sleeping with their girls in France
 
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We should make sure all the westerners fighting in thrid world countries dont make back alive. A dead occupationist is a good westerners

As most of westerners dont know what burnol is plz ask some indian to give u some..
 
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French citizens are among the biggest contingent of overseas fighters who have joined IS, with around 1,000 nationals estimated by counter-terror officials to have travelled to Iraq and Syria. France doesn't want them back.

France's attitude to the killing of its citizens in Syria fighting for the Islamic State group has rarely been as frankly stated as it was in the lead up to the fall of Raqa.

"We are committed along with our allies to the destruction of Daesh (Islamic State) and we're doing everything to that end," Defence Minister Florence Parly told reporters at the weekend.

"What we want is to go to the end of this combat and of course if jihadists die in the fighting, then I'd say it's for the best," she added.

French citizens are among the biggest contingent of overseas fighters who have joined IS, with around 1,000 nationals estimated by counter-terror officials to have travelled to Iraq and Syria.

Their return home to a country that has faced the worst of the IS-inspired violence in Europe since 2015 -- which has claimed 241 lives -- has long worried government and intelligence officials in Paris.

Aside from the obvious moral issues, a dead jihadist poses far fewer problems for French and European authorities than a captured one.

First, there are the legal problems associated with a prisoner taken on the battlefield in Iraq or Syria.

Under what jurisdiction should he or she be tried? And for what crimes? In Iraq, for example, they could face the death penalty, which the European Union and member states officially oppose.

Should they be extradited for trial in their home countries then -- which requires an extradition treaty? What evidence, collected by whom, would be used in a domestic court?

Furthermore, judges and anti-terror prosecutors are already struggling to cope with the ever-increasing caseload related to extremism across Europe and
would be swamped by potentially hundreds of new trials.

Once convicted, the jihadists become a security risk in jail because of the danger that they will radicalise other inmates -- already a problem in prisons
across Europe.

"There will be negotiations with the countries concerned," French European lawmaker Arnaud Danjean, the lead author of a recent French strategic military review, told France Inter radio on Wednesday.

"There's not only France that is concerned, there's Belgium, the United States," he added.

'War brings risks'

A US military official said Tuesday that about 400 Islamic State members including foreign fighters had surrendered in Raqa as US-backed forces closed in on the city notorious for its atrocities under the rule of the Sunni extremists.

Resistance around a city hospital and stadium was ultimately less than expected as IS forces either gave up or withdrew to the small strip of territory still under the group's control in neighbouring Deir Ezzor province.

In May, the Wall Street Journal published an investigation that claimed that French special forces had provided a hitlist to Iraqi forces of around 30
men who were "identified as high value targets".

Asked afterwards to comment, a spokesman for the new government of centrist President Emmanuel Macron did not deny France carried out killings -- a policy
that was confirmed by previous president Francois Hollande.

"I say to all fighters who join the Islamic State group and then go abroad to wage war: waging war brings risks, and they must accept those risks,"
Christophe Castaner told reporters.

Speaking to journalists for a book published last year, Hollande confirmed that he had personally authorised at least four killings of "high value
targets" by special forces in what are known as "homocide" operations in France.

Another estimate by the journalist Vincent Nouzille, who wrote a book on the subject, said French forces had killed around 40 nationals during his five-year term.

'Our aim is to kill them'

As IS jihadists flee Raqa and face imminent defeat elsewhere in their shrinking "caliphate", the question for French and other Western governments will be how to deal with the holdouts.

In June, French magazine Paris Match also published a report quoting Iraqi officials around the city of Mosul before it was recaptured by US and
French-backed forces.

Abdelghani al-Assadi, a top commander in the Counter-Terrorism Service, said the Iraqis had an understanding with France that they would mop up the jihadists to prevent them from returning home.

"We will prevent as much as possible any French person leaving Mosul alive," he was quoted as saying. "Our aim is to kill them so that no one from Daesh can flee."

https://www.thelocal.fr/20171018/wanted-dead-not-alive-frances-approach-to-is-jihadists

Brilliant.

The French are actually taking the lead in the fight against terrorism. French Foreign Legion is one lethal part of their armed forces and along with proper intelligence input, can unleash hell against terrorists.

We should make sure all the westerners fighting in thrid world countries dont make back alive. A dead occupationist is a good westerners

As most of westerners dont know what burnol is plz ask some indian to give u some..

So do you support ISIS?

Because these people are exclusively jihadis whom French are targeting.

If you do what you say here, you'll have a direct war with France.
 
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