Voices from Kashmir

[jayron]

Hindu India should give Muslim Kashmir to Muslim Pakistan.

Kashmir being part of India is like Gujarat being part of Pakistan. It makes no logical sense

very simplistic view of the issue. I would expect Bangladeshis of all people to know that religion alone cannot be a unifying force.

 

[Jade]

I based my opinion on Kashmiri students who studied in Dehli and their sentiments are different.
Again, such sentiments are of similar policy of appeasement tried by states to quell a population.
However, arguments as to why it might not work well base it on the concept that Kashmiri uprising is based on an idea and not resources(even though most of northern India is supplied with power from hydro in Kashmir and only 2% of the revenue goes to Kashmir) which is much more difficult to subdue(as recent resurgences have shown). Attempts have been made to provide better economic conditions to Kashmiris by India to both students/ rebels and intellectuals.. but if Kashmiri papers and their voices are to be taken into account.. then not. I am trying to get a Kashmiri writer to post here.. but suffice to say that he tears apart Indian viewpoints everytime.

I am not saying that all Kashmiris especially from Valley are pro India, but there is sizeable Kashmiris that are pro India and their number is much more than what the Pakistanis here portray it to be. And even among Kashmiris that are pro Azadi, Azadi for them is not back and white as described by Pakistanis here, it has lots gray shades to it.

And if I were you, I would not bank on a 'Kashmiri' posting here as representative view given the fact that PDF attracts nutjobs

Hindu India should give Muslim Kashmir to Muslim Pakistan.

Kashmir being part of India is like Gujarat being part of Pakistan. It makes no logical sense

The simple fact that Bangladesh is a different country debunks your 'logical sense'. After all Bangladesh and Pakistan were both Muslim and one country at one time.

 

[Roybot]

I based my opinion on Kashmiri students who studied in Dehli and their sentiments are different.
Again, such sentiments are of similar policy of appeasement tried by states to quell a population.
However, arguments as to why it might not work well base it on the concept that Kashmiri uprising is based on an idea and not resources(even though most of northern India is supplied with power from hydro in Kashmir and only 2% of the revenue goes to Kashmir) which is much more difficult to subdue(as recent resurgences have shown). Attempts have been made to provide better economic conditions to Kashmiris by India to both students/ rebels and intellectuals.. but if Kashmiri papers and their voices are to be taken into account.. then not. I am trying to get a Kashmiri writer to post here.. but suffice to say that he tears apart Indian viewpoints everytime.

Thats just wrong, at least cross check your figures before posting them here.

J&K produces a mere 2300 Mw, Total power production in India as of May 2013 stands at 225,000 Mw. J&K produces only 1% of India's total electricity, so if they are getting 2% revenue, they are getting more than what they deserve.

 

[SQ8]

I am not saying that all Kashmiris especially from Valley are pro India, but there is sizeable Kashmiris that are pro India and their number is much more than what the Pakistanis here portray it to be. And even among Kashmiris that are pro Azadi, Azadi for them is not back and white as described by Pakistanis here, it has lots gray shades to it.

And if I were you, I would not bank on a 'Kashmiri' posting here as representative view given the fact that PDF attracts nutjobs

I know this person personally, but yes.. PDF has a lot of nutjobs and I agree that those from India might indulge in pithy insults to his views.

Thats just wrong, at least cross check your figures before posting them here.

J&K produces a mere 2300 Mw, Total power production in India as of May 2013 stands at 225,000 Mw. J&K produces only 1% of India's total electricity, so if they are getting 2% revenue, they are getting more than what they deserve.

So they are getting only 2% of what is essentially their electricity.

 

[MilSpec]

Just a public service anouncement
http://www.defence.pk/forums/centra...lebiscite-un-security-council-resolution.html

I have yet to come across a senior pakistani member how has ever demonstrated pakistan's resolve towards the Mutthide quami karrardade kashmir!!!!

 

[Roybot]

So they are getting only 2% of what is essentially their electricity.

What? only 2300Mw electricity is produced in Jammu & Kashmir and it consumes almost all of it! India produces a total of 230,000 Mw electricity, so how is it essentially their electricity?

Only 1% of India's total power is generated in the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

http://www.cea.nic.in/more_upload/epsr_17_highlights.pdf

 

[SQ8]

What? only 2300Mw electricity is produced in Jammu & Kashmir and it consumes almost all of it! India produces a total of 230,000 Mw electricity, so how is it essentially their electricity?

Only 1% of India's total power is generated in the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

http://www.cea.nic.in/more_upload/epsr_17_highlights.pdf

It is theirs, after all states like Gujrat sell their electricity to make money and keep a major section of the profit. So how come(meagre as it is) the Kashmiris only get 2% of the benefits of this 1%??

 

[Jade]

I know this person personally, but yes.. PDF has a lot of nutjobs and I agree that those from India might indulge in pithy insults to his views.

As I already said every Kashmiris especially from valley are not pro India.

 

[SQ8]

As I already said every Kashmiris especially from valley are not pro India.

Exactly, so its better to have that voice here for those that dont share your view.

 

[Jade]

Exactly, so its better to have that voice here for those that dont share your view.

I am not against those that don't share my view. In fact I enjoy countering them. That is precisely the reason I come here to PDF.

 

[Roybot]

It is theirs, after all states like Gujrat sell their electricity to make money and keep a major section of the profit. So how come(meagre as it is) the Kashmiris only get 2% of the benefits of this 1%??

You are wrong again. Couple of things,

First, your 2% figure is baseless, and if you have a source for it then please share it with us here. What you heard from your "Kashmiri" friends doesn't count. If I were you, I would double check the "facts", specially when its related to a sensitive issue like Kashmir, where propaganda is rife. Its like me believing every thing the Baloch separatists claim and allege.

Second, as I mentioned earlier, a total of 2300 Mw of electricity is produced in the state of Jammu & Kashmir. Out of this roughly about 700Mw is produced by state owned power plants, and the rest 1600 Mw is produced by National Hydro Power Corporation(NHPC), which is a central government run company.

The power produced by state owned plants is state's own business and they have 100% right over it and get 100% revenue from that. The power produced by NHPC, the states in which these Federal owned power plants are located, they get 10% of the total the electricity produced free of cost, its 12% free electricity in the case of Jammu and Kashmir( another incentive given to Jammu & Kashmir), so think of it as 12% revenue, as opposed to your baseless claim of 2%.

Now coming to your example of Gujarat, Gujarat can not and does not sell electricity produced by federal run/owned power plant, they sell the electricity produced by the Gujarat state owned power plants, and the 10% of free electricity they get from the NTPC, NHPC plants. So your comparison with Gujarat or any other power surplus state is once again, wrong!

Once Jammu and Kashmir state owned power plants start generating enough power to meet the demand of their state, they can sell it to whoever they want to, and keep 100% of the revenue. But to build and operate a power plant, it costs a lot of money, something which Jammu & Kashmir doesn't have.

However things are changing now, with funds slowly flowing in, Jammu and Kashmir state has plans to produce 9000Mw of hyrdro electric power by the end of 2022. Furthermore, Jammu and Kashmir State Power Development Corporation(JKSPDC) and National Hydro Power Corporation(NHPC) have formed a equal ownership joint venture(49% each) to undertake the Chenab Valley Projects.

Chenab Valley Power Projects Private Limited (CVPP), has been incorporated on 13/06/2011 as a Joint Venture Company of NHPC Limited, JKSPDC and PTC (India) Limited for execution of 03 Hydroelectric Projects namely Pakal Dul, Kiru and Kwar with agrregate capacity of 2120 MW at Chenab River Basin in Distt Kishtwar of Jammu & Kashmir, with equity participation of 49%, 49% and 2% by NHPC,JKSPDC & PTC respectively. The Company shall execute these Projects on Build, Own, Operate and Maintain (BOOM) basis.

Chenab Valley Power Projects - A joint venture company between NHPC,jammu & Kashmir State Power Development Corporation and Power Trading Corporation

Ironically its Pakistan which keeps throwing spanner in the works of Jammu and Kashmir state, and thus denying the Kashmiris the rightful share of their resources. For instance, Pakistan has already raised objection to all three hydel projects under the Chenab Valley Projects!

So what do you suggest, should India abrogate the Indus Water Treaty, so that the Jammu and Kashmiris can utilize their natural resources and make money from it? Trust me, India would be more than happy to do it, and since Pakistanis are so "concerned" about the rightful ownership of Kashmiri resources, they shouldn't have a problem with that either eh?

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Reminds me of the video with Saddam and the kid during the gulf war..
almost scripted.

I'd rather listen to the Kashmiri in person whose views are quite different.

The person in the OP is a kargil muslim, not really ethnically Kashmiri. That explains his pro- India attitude.

In my personal experience, the average Sunni Muslim ethnic Kashmiri from Kashmir Valley who are the majority in the valley tends to be pro-freedom but not the people of Jammu and Ladakh including the Muslims there. I kknow quite a few ethnic kashmiris personally.

Also please give BBC some credit. It portrays both sides of the story.

 

[SQ8]

The person in the OP is a kargil muslim, not really ethnically Kashmiri. That explains his pro- India attitude.

In my personal experience, the average Sunni Muslim ethnic Kashmiri from Kashmir Valley who are the majority in the valley tends to be pro-freedom but not the people of Jammu and Ladakh including the Muslims there. I kknow quite a few ethnic kashmiris personally.

Also please give BBC some credit. It portrays both sides of the story.

Which are not given by the OP.
In either case, the problem remains confined to the belt from Kargil down to the Kashmir Valley as such. The people of Jammu are at large pro India and do not wish for anything else. The Kashmir Valley has mixed opinion which are more pro-independence than succession to either country.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Which are not given by the OP.
In either case, the problem remains confined to the belt from Kargil down to the Kashmir Valley as such. The people of Jammu are at large pro India and do not wish for anything else. The Kashmir Valley has mixed opinion which are more pro-independence than succession to either country.

Your understanding is correct , however there is no issue in Kargil which a district of Ladakh. It's only the Kashmir Valley.

Still your understanding is largely correct.

On the lighter side, I am happy to know that you also recognize this movement as a problem, until now I thought it was only a problem for Indians