Vladimir Putin ‘wants to regain Finland’ for Russia, adviser says

[Tshering22]

@he-man The brazilian dude is right. Finland really gave the Bolesheviks a bloody nose.

 

[T-123456]

New movìe?

 

[Gazprom]

@he-man The brazilian dude is right. Finland really gave the Bolesheviks a bloody nose.

bloody nose and defeated are totally different. Finland lost 11% of its territory to ussr and 30% of its industrial economic region .So how did USSR lose? If a nation loses territory and economy the its defeat.Finland lost the winter and continuation war.

 

[he-man]

In WW2, Finland defeated Russia. Learn something instead of being an ignorant fanboy

Go and check the finland military now instead of talking what happened 60 years ago,then hang ur head in shame

Its u who is being a fanboy
Russia will need probably 3-4 days to conquer the finland if finland even decides to put up resistance

 

[Gazprom]

Go and check the finland military now instead of talking what happened 60 years ago,then hang ur head in shame

Its u who is being a fanboy
Russia will need probably 3-4 days to conquer the finland if finland even decides to put up resistance

agreed , today tactics of winter war won't work. Russia has highly accurate ballistic missiles like tochka,iskander,scud-d(nato) to make short work quickly.

 

[Tshering22]

agreed , today tactics of winter war won't work. Russia has highly accurate ballistic missiles like tochka,iskander,scud-d(nato) to make short work quickly.

The point is, Russia is planning to target only those places that are:

1- Either Russian speaking
2- Have loyalty to Kremlin
3- Have important mineral and energy reserves.

There is simply no other reason. Finland has none of these. It relies on renewable resources technology and therefore has nothing of importance. The only thing Putin will achieve by invading Finland is send an otherwise-neutral Sweden and Norway running into NATO's arms.

As such the Nordic nations are right now contemplating whether to join NATO or to form a local military alliance of all Scandinavian countries with Sweden in lead. Sweden is small country compared to Russia but they are in no means weak. All their military tactics are designed to take out or at least limit an invasion from a much larger country.

Invading Finland will achieve nothing for Putin except weaken support. The only reasons why half the world supported him for Ukraine other than old strategic ties (a different topic altogether) is because it was historically Russian and that Crimeans actually wanted to be a part of Russia; not a case in Finland.

Russia is right now keen on consolidating Russian-dominant areas outside its borders. Access to Crimea gives them critical leverage in Black Sea which they need to keep certain NATO countries in check and to oversee their military progress.

As for using ICBMs, this is not our hosts we are talking about who always mention nukes as if it is a lollypop. ICBMs will be used only in cases where a NATO alliance invades Russian mainland.

Ukraine and Georgia are examples. Instead of using the typical brute firepower that Russia has always used in conflicts, Putin's military is a whole new game.

The Spetsnaz stormed into Ukraine at lightning speed before NATO could even blink and by the time they opened their mouth to cry foul, Crimea was Russian territory.

This highlights a more modern approach of Russian forces. They are building a lean-mean force capable of striking at a moment's notice, destroy their target and quietly move out before anyone can escalate it. That, is the new military model of warfare. One reason is that they are assured of the immense firepower they have as a backup in case shyt hits the fan and a counter-invasion begins.

The VDV and Spetsnaz units are designed to conduct surgical assaults which is going to be the new tactic of warfare.

 

[atatwolf]

Finland is not Georgia

 

[GR!FF!N]

finland lost territory in the winter war to the russians.so much for *** kicking if you lose territory.

Seriously!
Finland kicking russian ***,ya right

bro,actually Finland almost pushed Russia out of their land before armistice offered.you guys should study Both Winter War as well as Continuation War.Battle of Tal Ihantala was one of the greatest victory of Finland against Soviet Army.in the face of overwhelming superiority,they won the battle.thats one of the most iconic battle,where they fought with few dozens of Assault Guns and had almost no tanks(few captured Soviet T-34 perhaps) and almost not air support.

Battle of Tali-Ihantala - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

but then again,to retain their sovereignty,they had to concede few regions to Soviet Russia.

 

[Tshering22]

Finland is not Georgia

I am not saying it is.

Just that Russia won't gain anything from invading the Finns.

 

[Gazprom]

bro,actually Finland almost pushed Russia out of their land before armistice offered.you guys should study Both Winter War as well as Continuation War.Battle of Tal Ihantala was one of the greatest victory of Finland against Soviet Army.in the face of overwhelming superiority,they won the battle.thats one of the most iconic battle,where they fought with few dozens of Assault Guns and had almost no tanks(few captured Soviet T-34 perhaps) and almost not air support.

Battle of Tali-Ihantala - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

but then again,to retain their sovereignty,they had to concede few regions to Soviet Russia.

Yet finland lost both wars and had to concede territories .A victory in battle does not mean victory in war.And finland could not win the siege of Leningrad despite nazi superiority at all.That sealed finland's fate and as the tide turned and nazis were being repelled left,right and center,finland got nervous and decided for peace.And finland was on the retreat .If retreating a hundred kilometers a day is victory then pakistan surely won all wars against india ,using your definition.



But the results of both wars, Finland had to give territory to USSR both times. But their resistance was strong.

Although the Soviets refined their tactics and morale improved, the generals were still willing to accept massive losses in order to reach their objectives. Attacks were screened by smoke, heavy artillery, and armour support, but the infantry charged in the open and in dense formations.[131] Unlike their tactics in December, Soviet tanks advanced in smaller numbers. The Finns could not easily eliminate tanks if infantry troops protected them.[133] After 10 days of round-the-clock artillery barrages, the Soviets achieved a breakthrough on the western Karelian Isthmus in the second battle of Summa.[134]

On 11 February, the Soviets had about 460,000 men, over 3,350 artillery pieces, about 3,000 tanks and about 1,300 aircraft deployed on the Karelian Isthmus. The Red Army was constantly receiving new recruits after the breakthrough.[135] Opposing them the Finns had eight divisions, totalling about 150,000 men. One by one, the defenders' strongholds crumbled under the Soviet attacks and the Finns were forced to retreat. On 15 February, Mannerheim authorised a general retreat of the Second Corps to the Intermediate Line.[136] On the eastern side of the isthmus, the Finns continued to resist Soviet assaults, repelling them in the battle of Taipale.[

If retreating and losing territory is victory in your definition then its silly.Then the revisionist pakistani are right .They won every war against india.

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On 5 March, the Red Army advanced 10 to 15 km (6.2 to 9.3 mi) past the Mannerheim Line and entered the suburbs of Viipuri. That same day, the Red Army established a beachhead on the western Gulf of Viipuri. The Finns proposed an armistice on that day, but the Soviets, wanting to keep the pressure on the Finnish government, declined the offer the next day. The Finnish peace delegation went to Moscow via Stockholm and arrived on 7 March. The Soviets made further demands as their military position was strong and improving. On 9 March, the Finnish military situation on the Karelian Isthmus was dire as troops were experiencing heavy casualties. In addition, artillery ammunition supplies were exhausted and weapons were wearing out.

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n the Winter War of 1939–1940, the Soviet Union occupied Petsamo. In the following peace agreement only the Finnish part of the Rybachy Peninsula, with the area of 321 square kilometers (124 sq mi), was ceded to the Soviet Union, although the Soviets had occupied all of Petsamo during the Winter War.

In 1941, during World War II, Petsamo was used by Nazi Germany as a staging area for the attack towards Murmansk. In 1944, the Red Armyoccupied Petsamo again, and Finland had to cede it to the Soviet Union as part of the Moscow Armistice signed on September 19, 1944;[7] the total ceded area was 8,965 square kilometers (3,461 sq mi). On July 21, 1945, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union decreed to establish Pechengsky District with the administrative center in Nikel on the ceded territory and to include this district as a part of Murmansk Oblast.


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Germany's main forces advanced rapidly deep into Soviet territory during the first weeks of the Operation Barbarossa campaign. The Finns believed the Germans would defeat the Soviet Union quickly. President Ryti envisioned Greater Finland, where the country and other Finnic people would live inside a "natural defence borderline" by incorporating the Kola Peninsula, East Karelia, and perhaps even northern Ingria. In public the proposed frontier was introduced by the slogan "A short border – a long peace".[78] Some members of the Finnish parliament, such as the Social Democrats and the Swedish People's Party, opposed the idea, arguing that maintaining the 1939 frontier would be enough.[78] On July 10, Finnish Commander-in-Chief C. G. E. Mannerheim gave an order of the day, the Sword scabbard declaration, in which he pledged to liberate Karelia. The Finnish government assured the Americans that it was unaware of the order.[7
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Finnish forces could not even capture Murmansk and leningrad whose capture was critical for greater finland plan. I will be plain on this .Finland lost territories in both wars and was forced to retreat both times.Though they did stage good defensives.

I am not saying it is.

Just that Russia won't gain anything from invading the Finns.

The point is, Russia is planning to target only those places that are:

1- Either Russian speaking
2- Have loyalty to Kremlin
3- Have important mineral and energy reserves.

There is simply no other reason. Finland has none of these. It relies on renewable resources technology and therefore has nothing of importance. The only thing Putin will achieve by invading Finland is send an otherwise-neutral Sweden and Norway running into NATO's arms.

As such the Nordic nations are right now contemplating whether to join NATO or to form a local military alliance of all Scandinavian countries with Sweden in lead. Sweden is small country compared to Russia but they are in no means weak. All their military tactics are designed to take out or at least limit an invasion from a much larger country.

Invading Finland will achieve nothing for Putin except weaken support. The only reasons why half the world supported him for Ukraine other than old strategic ties (a different topic altogether) is because it was historically Russian and that Crimeans actually wanted to be a part of Russia; not a case in Finland.

Russia is right now keen on consolidating Russian-dominant areas outside its borders. Access to Crimea gives them critical leverage in Black Sea which they need to keep certain NATO countries in check and to oversee their military progress.

As for using ICBMs, this is not our hosts we are talking about who always mention nukes as if it is a lollypop. ICBMs will be used only in cases where a NATO alliance invades Russian mainland.

Ukraine and Georgia are examples. Instead of using the typical brute firepower that Russia has always used in conflicts, Putin's military is a whole new game.

The Spetsnaz stormed into Ukraine at lightning speed before NATO could even blink and by the time they opened their mouth to cry foul, Crimea was Russian territory.

This highlights a more modern approach of Russian forces. They are building a lean-mean force capable of striking at a moment's notice, destroy their target and quietly move out before anyone can escalate it. That, is the new military model of warfare. One reason is that they are assured of the immense firepower they have as a backup in case shyt hits the fan and a counter-invasion begins.

The VDV and Spetsnaz units are designed to conduct surgical assaults which is going to be the new tactic of warfare.

What I said was hypothetical and I am talking about conventional warheads SRBM's range of 500 km.Russia has no point in attacking finland today.

 

[GR!FF!N]

finland could not win the siege of Leningrad despite nazi superiority at all.That sealed finland's fate and as the tide turned and nazis were being repelled left,right and center,finland got nervous and decided for peace.And finland was on the retreat

actually,Finland did contribute nothing in Siege of Stalingrad apart from capturing few regions they lost during Winter War.its the reason why German never could complete the Siege of Leningrad.their main objective was to capture lost grounds,not Invasion.if you study Winter War,its Finland who defeated Su,but then,they had to compromise to retain their sovereignty.Winter War was aimed to annex Finland with Russia.though Finland drove them back initially,but SU overcame their Defensive lines,but yet nowhere to win the war.but Finland couldn't sustain another massive invasion.even in 1944,during Continuation War,their Defensive Lines were all broken,the reason why Soviets marched so fast into Finland.its the compromise that kept them a free country and not another state of SU.also,there were possibilities that if they didn't sign treaties,Both France and British would send troops and capture Finland.

 

[Gazprom]

actually,Finland did contribute nothing in Siege of Stalingrad apart from capturing few regions they lost during Winter War.its the reason why German never could complete the Siege of Leningrad.their main objective was to capture lost grounds,not Invasion.if you study Winter War,its Finland who defeated Su,but then,they had to compromise to retain their sovereignty.Winter War was aimed to annex Finland with Russia.though Finland drove them back initially,but SU overcame their Defensive lines,but yet nowhere to win the war.but Finland couldn't sustain another massive invasion.even in 1944,during Continuation War,their Defensive Lines were all broken,the reason why Soviets marched so fast into Finland.its the compromise that kept them a free country and not another state of SU.also,there were possibilities that if they couldn't sign treaties,Both France and British would sent troops and captured Finland.

This post is again based on half-truths.

Finland lost Karelia in Winter War to soviet forces.

In 1939, the Soviet Union attacked Finland, thus starting the Winter War. The Moscow Peace Treaty of 1940 handed most of Finnish Karelia to the Soviet Union. About 400,000 people, virtually the whole population, had to be relocated within Finland. In 1941, Karelia was liberated for three years during the Continuation War of 1941 to 1944 when East Karelia was occupied by the Finns. The Winter War and the resulting Soviet expansion caused considerable bitterness in Finland, which lost its second biggest city, Viipuri, its industrial heartland along the river Vuoksi, the Saimaa canal that connected central Finland to the Gulf of Finland, access to the fishing waters of Lake Ladoga (Finnish: Laatokka), and made an eighth of her citizens refugees without chance of return. (From the areas ceded to the Soviet Union, the whole population was evacuated and resettled in other parts of Finland. The present inhabitants of the former Finnish Karelian parts of Russia, such as the city of Vyborg/Viipuri and the Karelian Isthmus, are post-war immigrants and their descendants.)

On 5 March, the Red Army advanced 10 to 15 km (6.2 to 9.3 mi) past the Mannerheim Line and entered the suburbs of Viipuri. That same day, the Red Army established a beachhead on the western Gulf of Viipuri. The Finns proposed an armistice on that day, but the Soviets, wanting to keep the pressure on the Finnish government, declined the offer the next day. The Finnish peace delegation went to Moscow via Stockholm and arrived on 7 March. The Soviets made further demands as their military position was strong and improving. On 9 March, the Finnish military situation on the Karelian Isthmus was dire as troops were experiencing heavy casualties. In addition, artillery ammunition supplies were exhausted and weapons were wearing out. The Finnish government, noting that the hoped-for Franco-British military expedition would not arrive in time, as Norway and Sweden had not given the Allies right of passage, had little choice but to accept the Soviet terms.[143] The formal peace treaty was signed in Moscow on 12 March. A cease-fire took effect the next day at noon Leningrad time, 11 a.m. Helsinki time.

Either ways,Red army took the territories from finland by means of arms .Both times.Finland lost 11% territory and 30% of its economic GDP and industry to the zones conquered by USSR.If this is not defeat ,then pakistan revisionists are right in saying that they won all the wars against India.And in continuation.Finland could neither capture Murmansk or leningrad .They lost the territories of karelia,vyborg bay and further petsumo again in the continuation war by means of arms of the red army.They could not achieve the greater finland plan which they had when they started the continuation war.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

I am not saying it is.

Just that Russia won't gain anything from invading the Finns.

The won't, stop paying attention to hollow Western prpaganda!

 

[500]

Its u who is being a fanboy
Russia will need probably 3-4 days to conquer the finland if finland even decides to put up resistance

Funny guy. It took nearly 1 year to conquer rag tag militias in tiny Chechnya.

 

[UKBengali]

Funny guy. It took nearly 1 year to conquer rag tag militias in tiny Chechnya.

Dude Russia in 2014 is nothing like that from 2000.

Russia now has the money for proper equipment and training that it did not then.

It is currently building a lean and mean military machine.